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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 07:38 GMT
#1
At least, I think TL can be that.

Its summer and there's so many different thoughts running through my mind at different times. Why am I downstairs alone in the dark instead of sleeping in my room? Why do I feel so free to do absolutely nothing, and yet so constrained by the things I know I should be doing?



I should be running, I have a half marathon to prepare for in September and I don't even think I have the time to train for it, with 2 months left and 0 conditioning. I should be reading: I've heard in college, there's really very little free time to read so you have to make a queue of books you plan to read in the future, and now that its before college, I should be finishing it up.


Started right now: Rynd's Atlas Shrugged, Milton's Paradise Lost, Austen's Pride and Prejudice. In the queue, Larsson, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo; Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse Five; Orwell, Animal Farm; Stevenson, Treasure Island.



All very doable in my 6 weeks left, yet I'm put off by the idea of annotating. Its so annoying to stop reading and write down my thoughts, and the solution I've devised - typing them in my OneNote journal, still forces me to stop reading. At the same time, I don't want to forget what I'm thinking while trying to experience the books. I want to write it all down, somewhere, but it makes me not want to read. Maybe I should start recording myself via audio.


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That's another problem: recording. I love records of things. I have AIM logs from my first times using that program, I have papers from middle school, even though I'll never look at them again. I think the reason for this is because, well, I don't want to forget they happened. So much happens that your mind just forgets most of it, and I want to have a collection of something to make sure I KNOW it has happened.


Here's the focused problem I'm having: there's so many things I want to focus on to better myself (the things listed above are just some examples that are very relevant, a few more are that I want to pick up sewing because it'd be really cool to trim down an old pair of jeans i have into something wearable, and that I want to work on my passive mindset by going after whatever opportunities I see, not withholding girl blog type shit).


The most important thing is for me to study, because that's the most direct way of bettering myself. I have a goal, I have a vision for a me I see in the future, and that's the most direct way of getting to it. But I do have to do the other things too. The problem with that is that I want to ONLY study and remove all my other responsibilities to other people, and only work on myself. That's my justification of moving away for college, and I know that's flawed.

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I should really just be enjoying myself. I am, kinda. I've been staying up for GSL, sleeping at 5-7AM and not waking up till late into the afternoon. I've been watching Arrested Development, soon I'll finish Firefly and start Parks and Recreation on Netflix. I went out with friends a lot last week, and this week is kinda dull but hopefully it picks up again.


I digress; that's not a very focused problem. But in a very meta way, it is the problem. I'm looking for a solution that's GIVEN to me, when I should be finding this solution out for myself. That's how I better myself, but I can't seem to...do.


Maybe writing all this out is helping me. Maybe the solution is, as Nike puts it, "just fucking do it." The "fucking" isn't officially there but it certainly does help in expressing the emotion.


On a side note, I got my college schedule and I'm very excited. Not sure how it'll all work out, with my major and my desire to follow a childhood dream and minor in astronomy.

Thanks for reading, if you did, and for clicking, if you're reading this. Have some amazing music.

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Forgive my spacing, I'm trying to make it easier to read.

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Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
July 13 2012 07:53 GMT
#2
if you want to get shit done, eliminiate distractions, and make nice bullet point lists where you cross off stuff you have done. Bullet points should be tanglibe - 'read 2 chapters of atlas shrugged'.

two months for a half marathon is easy-peasy. and I'd not give a hoot what other people have to say about college. most 'other' people are stupid
Here be Dragons
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 08:00 GMT
#3
My problem's not getting things done, I wouldn't be a bio major otherwise . My problem is whether I want to or whether I should, or some other angsty shit really similar to that. Thanks regardless, (and I don't know how to say that without making it seem like I'm disregarding what you're telling me, cause I'm not at all).

On that note, I'll read before GSTL ^^
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 13 2012 08:02 GMT
#4
Spacing was great, make it easier to read definitely.

Unfortunately I have no solution to offer, but I enjoyed just reading that you seem to know what you must do yourself (i.e. solution is for you to find the solution to it yourself), so good luck. I know the feeling very well--you have so much to do but at the same time it's like you're bored with nothing to do. Still haven't overcome it myself, huge pile of work to get to but I'm literally just bored. Happened to me in high school when I had all those SAT/AP exams coming up lol.

Definitely try to get to that book list. Depending on what type of road you take and how you just go through college in general, usually you won't have much time for reading at all, what with homework, finals, lectures, jobs, internships, chilling with or making friends, going on trips, studying, games, TL, and many more things >.<
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#5
On July 13 2012 17:02 Aerisky wrote:
Spacing was great, make it easier to read definitely.

Unfortunately I have no solution to offer, but I enjoyed just reading that

That's what's important ^^.

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SometimesIworkout
Profile Joined June 2012
Cambodia75 Posts
July 13 2012 08:36 GMT
#6
It's not the daily increase but the daily decrease. Hack away at the unessential.
"my upper chest is weak" "you have no upper chest"
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 13 2012 09:42 GMT
#7
you know i hated new god flow first time i heard it but it's growing on me
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 09:44 GMT
#8
On July 13 2012 17:36 SometimesIworkout wrote:
It's not the daily increase but the daily decrease. Hack away at the unessential.

what if I already do...very little in my days?

On July 13 2012 18:42 DystopiaX wrote:
you know i hated new god flow first time i heard it but it's growing on me

kanye so good recently... and pusha improving. all the shots at YMCMB make me swoon
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 13 2012 10:00 GMT
#9
i think I liked his last fantasy stuff more, seemed like he put more production effort into it at least.
TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
July 13 2012 14:14 GMT
#10
      If you want to talk about motivation and doing work throughout college/university, you need only to talk to me. In my first year I watched 109 episodes of a single TV show in just 9 days. I've had all manner of distractions: from girls, to partying, to girlfriends, to video games, to 10:30pm Spicy Chicken Wrap runs. I've watched my fair share of TV too, and through it all I pulled off a Mechanical Engineering degree and carved out a pretty good life for myself. I've had setbacks, but I never failed, or knocked a girl up, or lost to alcoholism or drug addiction.There is a way to get it all done and focus, I can assure you, and if you want my help just ask. I could type for hours if I wasn't so busy, but a question here and there I can handle.
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
July 13 2012 14:30 GMT
#11
Fuck Ayn Rand.

Seriously.

As for writing down your thoughts as you're reading - I can't say that I have ever done that. Not on first read through. Usually not on second read through. And practically never, at all. It just doesn't make sense to me - and as you notice, it can interrupt the flow of the story in the book. Why do people do that? Is it something you'll look back at later, during a re-read? Will you look at them again? What is the purpose of pulling yourself out of the story to say "I think Orwell is making fun of bankers and politicians here"? (I dunno. I've been reading non-stop since I can remember, and the only book outside of school assignments that has markings (neither do most of the ones I read for school) in it is Stranger in a Strange Land - which I practically have memorized anyway.)

I also understand the recording things bit - I have instant messaging software set to "record" and have chat logs going back into 2000 (probably older ones on a CD somewhere) although I never am sure why - sometimes it's interesting to go back and read them, as it does jog the memory and show that things have changed a lot since then. (And some of it is hilarious. I was seriously insane back then. Some of it is depressing, people I miss and who have moved on. Y'know. Girl blog type shit.)

Finish Firefly. Do it. Serenity is good for the soul.

Good luck at college - although how you'll spend hours memorizing reactions, compounds, and the like, and still have time to stare up at the stars, I dunno. Interesting blog.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24673 Posts
July 13 2012 14:33 GMT
#12
I removed the typo from the thread title... please proofread thread titles :o
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:12:44
July 13 2012 15:08 GMT
#13
On July 13 2012 16:38 Juliette wrote: Why do I feel so free to do absolutely nothing, and yet so constrained by the things I know I should be doing?

God I know that feeling, its kinda horrible, and yet I am stilling basically doing nothing. Even just posting this and going in TL in general feeds into it.

Not to sure on the Frank Ocean, but you like Kanye West and Arrested Development, so we can be friends ^_^

I hadn't heard New God Flow, I like it, and the song it samples I adore, Mighty Healthy, even if the video is goofy
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 13 2012 17:00 GMT
#14
I have the same problem in the summers, theres a ton of things that I want to do. But what usually happens is I end up playing video games. Take this summer for example, Once the semester ended, I hung out with friends and beat like 3 games on my ps3. Then the summer semester started and I suddenly got really busy.
Wombutt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States159 Posts
July 13 2012 19:39 GMT
#15
i love frank ocean, i get to see him next thursday
good luck at college
All Dae
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 21:21 GMT
#16
On July 13 2012 23:14 TheGiz wrote:
      If you want to talk about motivation and doing work throughout college/university, you need only to talk to me. In my first year I watched 109 episodes of a single TV show in just 9 days. I've had all manner of distractions: from girls, to partying, to girlfriends, to video games, to 10:30pm Spicy Chicken Wrap runs. I've watched my fair share of TV too, and through it all I pulled off a Mechanical Engineering degree and carved out a pretty good life for myself. I've had setbacks, but I never failed, or knocked a girl up, or lost to alcoholism or drug addiction.There is a way to get it all done and focus, I can assure you, and if you want my help just ask. I could type for hours if I wasn't so busy, but a question here and there I can handle.

I'll be sure to keep this in mind ^^

On July 13 2012 23:30 felisconcolori wrote:
Fuck Ayn Rand.

Seriously.

As for writing down your thoughts as you're reading - I can't say that I have ever done that. Not on first read through. Usually not on second read through. And practically never, at all. It just doesn't make sense to me - and as you notice, it can interrupt the flow of the story in the book. Why do people do that? Is it something you'll look back at later, during a re-read? Will you look at them again? What is the purpose of pulling yourself out of the story to say "I think Orwell is making fun of bankers and politicians here"? (I dunno. I've been reading non-stop since I can remember, and the only book outside of school assignments that has markings (neither do most of the ones I read for school) in it is Stranger in a Strange Land - which I practically have memorized anyway.)


lol why? I can only explain why I do it, really. Aside from my teachers checking every now and then to promote good habits. Its because at some moments reading a book, I have small epiphany about the book, or its message, or its storytelling, or something about it that I don't really wanna lose. Even something as simple as, "well this book is really all about the littlest things" (the book for that comment, by the way, is Gaiman's Stardust, which I'd recommend to everyone with a spare 3 hours). If I don't write it somewhere, the thought is lost forever, and I may as well never have thought it.

But yeah I do agree it breaks the flow of reading.


On July 13 2012 23:33 micronesia wrote:
I removed the typo from the thread title... please proofread thread titles :o

I only noticed after I posted, lol. Thanks, I will in the future!

On July 14 2012 00:08 MCDayC wrote:
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On July 13 2012 16:38 Juliette wrote: Why do I feel so free to do absolutely nothing, and yet so constrained by the things I know I should be doing?

God I know that feeling, its kinda horrible, and yet I am stilling basically doing nothing. Even just posting this and going in TL in general feeds into it.

Not to sure on the Frank Ocean, but you like Kanye West and Arrested Development, so we can be friends ^_^

I hadn't heard New God Flow, I like it, and the song it samples I adore, Mighty Healthy, even if the video is goofy

Do you like Mvp and Flash? Cause if so.... .

I love Frank because he's feeding into a better level of this contemporary hip-hop. The quality of his last album is pretty much barely a notch under Watch the Throne for me (maybe the production could use work, but he didn't have Kanye so its not really fair). Everything now is so subtle, at least in good music, you can see it in New God Flow when Pusha says

"What's a king without a crown, nigga?
What's a circus without you clown niggas?
What's a brick from an outta-town nigga
When you flood and you can drown niggas?"

Each of them = young money member, and its so brilliant and so easy to miss.


On July 14 2012 02:00 HeeroFX wrote:
I have the same problem in the summers, theres a ton of things that I want to do. But what usually happens is I end up playing video games. Take this summer for example, Once the semester ended, I hung out with friends and beat like 3 games on my ps3. Then the summer semester started and I suddenly got really busy.

STEAM SALE. waiting on something really fun to go on sale so I can waste my time with that. Nothing so far, but I did buy The Polynomial for $2 and its more fun as a music simulator than audiosurf. Much trippier though.

On July 14 2012 04:39 Gae wrote:
i love frank ocean, i get to see him next thursday
good luck at college

I'm pretty jealous, he's good live. Thanks^^
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
July 13 2012 22:29 GMT
#17
"What's a king without a crown, nigga?
What's a circus without you clown niggas?
What's a brick from an outta-town nigga
When you flood and you can drown niggas?"

Can you explain what's so brilliant about this?
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 22:51 GMT
#18
On July 14 2012 07:29 Roe wrote:
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"What's a king without a crown, nigga?
What's a circus without you clown niggas?
What's a brick from an outta-town nigga
When you flood and you can drown niggas?"

Can you explain what's so brilliant about this?

He's taking shots at Young Money (who started taking shots at Jay-Z and Kanye).
Push is "under the umbrella, aka under Jay-Z

He's mentioning Tyga (his last album was titled "rise of the last king"), the "others" of young money (gudda gudda, jae millz, mack maine are the main 3) who have done nothing noteworthy under the label, Drake (who's canadian), and then hitting Wayne and Birdman in a cold fashion because their home town (which is important in rap), New Orleans, was flooded from Katrina.

But the way he does it, like you'd never notice it if you didn't know (I did NOT come up with this on my own, by the way), isn't like how rappers used to take shots at each other. Before it was like, well here's wayne's "attack" to pusha T right before


its more direct, more crude, and really just name calling.

I dunno I just think its clever and i appreciate it.
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ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 23:14:38
July 13 2012 23:00 GMT
#19
On July 14 2012 06:21 Juliette wrote:
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On July 13 2012 23:14 TheGiz wrote:
      If you want to talk about motivation and doing work throughout college/university, you need only to talk to me. In my first year I watched 109 episodes of a single TV show in just 9 days. I've had all manner of distractions: from girls, to partying, to girlfriends, to video games, to 10:30pm Spicy Chicken Wrap runs. I've watched my fair share of TV too, and through it all I pulled off a Mechanical Engineering degree and carved out a pretty good life for myself. I've had setbacks, but I never failed, or knocked a girl up, or lost to alcoholism or drug addiction.There is a way to get it all done and focus, I can assure you, and if you want my help just ask. I could type for hours if I wasn't so busy, but a question here and there I can handle.

I'll be sure to keep this in mind ^^

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On July 13 2012 23:30 felisconcolori wrote:
Fuck Ayn Rand.

Seriously.

As for writing down your thoughts as you're reading - I can't say that I have ever done that. Not on first read through. Usually not on second read through. And practically never, at all. It just doesn't make sense to me - and as you notice, it can interrupt the flow of the story in the book. Why do people do that? Is it something you'll look back at later, during a re-read? Will you look at them again? What is the purpose of pulling yourself out of the story to say "I think Orwell is making fun of bankers and politicians here"? (I dunno. I've been reading non-stop since I can remember, and the only book outside of school assignments that has markings (neither do most of the ones I read for school) in it is Stranger in a Strange Land - which I practically have memorized anyway.)


lol why? I can only explain why I do it, really. Aside from my teachers checking every now and then to promote good habits. Its because at some moments reading a book, I have small epiphany about the book, or its message, or its storytelling, or something about it that I don't really wanna lose. Even something as simple as, "well this book is really all about the littlest things" (the book for that comment, by the way, is Gaiman's Stardust, which I'd recommend to everyone with a spare 3 hours). If I don't write it somewhere, the thought is lost forever, and I may as well never have thought it.

But yeah I do agree it breaks the flow of reading.

Ayn Rand is pretty much anathema in the world of educated people, liking her loses more than gains you respect among most post-high school intellectuals. Her ideals (like great men going off into their isolation and forming a paradise) are generally just very dated compared to what the modern world is like now where everything is interconnected and collaborative (and especially since the 2000's Wall Street fiasco IMO), and it's regarded as pretty much selfish, callous libertarian fantasy with a not very rigorously defined or defended outline of a philosophy attached. Plus her writing is totally functional which gives something like Atlas Shrugged no real artistic resonance as a novel. But it's good to figure out these things on your own rather than just taking people's words for it. So read away if it's seems worthwhile. But also play Bioshock, one of the most awesome pieces of literary criticism ever.

On writing notes, I would just do it where you are naturally pausing to think things over while you read anyway. At least that's what I do, if there's anything I really want to think over, I naturally stop reading anyway, and I read passages multiple times on my first read through anyway.

Pride and Prejudice is really fun though. Also Firefly, the final episode Objects in Space is pretty much one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen, so you have to finish it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 23:09 GMT
#20
On July 14 2012 08:00 ZapRoffo wrote:

Ayn Rand is pretty much anathema in the world of educated people, liking her loses more than gains you respect among most post-high school intellectuals. Her ideals (like great men going off into their isolation and forming a paradise) are generally just very dated compared to what the modern world is like now where everything is interconnected and collaborative (and especially since the 2000's Wall Street fiasco IMO), and its regarded as pretty much selfish, callous libertarian fantasy with a not very rigorously defined or defended outline of a philosophy attached. Plus her writing is totally functional which gives something like Atlas Shrugged no real artistic resonance as a novel. But it's good to figure out these things on your own rather than just taking people's words for it. So read away if it's seems worthwhile. But also play Bioshock, one of the most awesome pieces of literary criticism ever.

On writing notes, I would just do it where you are naturally pausing to think things over while you read anyway. At least that's what I do, if there's anything I really want to think over, I naturally stop reading anyway, and I read passages multiple times on my first read through anyway.

Pride and Prejudice is really fun though. Also Firefly, the final episode Objects in Space is pretty much one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen, so you have to finish it.

so I just noticed I've been spelling her name wrong forever. lol.

Its still an interesting read, for me, even if I do or don't agree with her philosophy. reading for the sake of reading I suppose, and its been enjoyable no matter what her message (or, I guess, lack of) is. I'll see if I agree or not when I finish :p.

I'm a chapter (or section or whatever) into P&P though I know the story already, I'll still finish it.

That's #2 for firefly, I'll resume it once season 1 of Arrested Development is done.

And noted, for notes.
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
July 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#21
On July 14 2012 08:09 Juliette wrote:
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On July 14 2012 08:00 ZapRoffo wrote:

Ayn Rand is pretty much anathema in the world of educated people, liking her loses more than gains you respect among most post-high school intellectuals. Her ideals (like great men going off into their isolation and forming a paradise) are generally just very dated compared to what the modern world is like now where everything is interconnected and collaborative (and especially since the 2000's Wall Street fiasco IMO), and its regarded as pretty much selfish, callous libertarian fantasy with a not very rigorously defined or defended outline of a philosophy attached. Plus her writing is totally functional which gives something like Atlas Shrugged no real artistic resonance as a novel. But it's good to figure out these things on your own rather than just taking people's words for it. So read away if it's seems worthwhile. But also play Bioshock, one of the most awesome pieces of literary criticism ever.

On writing notes, I would just do it where you are naturally pausing to think things over while you read anyway. At least that's what I do, if there's anything I really want to think over, I naturally stop reading anyway, and I read passages multiple times on my first read through anyway.

Pride and Prejudice is really fun though. Also Firefly, the final episode Objects in Space is pretty much one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen, so you have to finish it.

so I just noticed I've been spelling her name wrong forever. lol.

Its still an interesting read, for me, even if I do or don't agree with her philosophy. reading for the sake of reading I suppose, and its been enjoyable no matter what her message (or, I guess, lack of) is. I'll see if I agree or not when I finish :p.

I'm a chapter (or section or whatever) into P&P though I know the story already, I'll still finish it.

That's #2 for firefly, I'll resume it once season 1 of Arrested Development is done.

And noted, for notes.


Hmm. I never got that detailed with my dislike of Ayn Rand - mostly I detest the writing style used. It's worse than translated Russian masterpieces or late 19th century styles. It simply doesn't draw me in at all. And rational self-interest as a philosophy only goes so far.

Also, I'm somewhat shocked you haven't already read Pride and Prejudice. Schools have changed, man.

Hmm. I don't take notes, but when reading something which resonates or makes a solid point to me, I will often re-read the book. Although, to be honest, I don't spend a lot of time trying to delve inside the book - I will assume that the cigar is just a cigar and read on unless it's a work specifically written as a criticism or satire. At least the first time through. (A thought that really didn't make my English teacher very happy - "What if that poem is really just about how his love is like a red red rose? And was written during spring, when he watched it bloom? Not any of that deep metaphysical stuff you're stretching to attribute to it?")

Then again, I've read best-selling authors talking in depth about the writing process, and it doesn't really match what many English teachers and academic literature writers have said. (That is my opinion of course.)
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 13 2012 23:40 GMT
#22
On July 14 2012 08:31 felisconcolori wrote:
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On July 14 2012 08:09 Juliette wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:00 ZapRoffo wrote:

Ayn Rand is pretty much anathema in the world of educated people, liking her loses more than gains you respect among most post-high school intellectuals. Her ideals (like great men going off into their isolation and forming a paradise) are generally just very dated compared to what the modern world is like now where everything is interconnected and collaborative (and especially since the 2000's Wall Street fiasco IMO), and its regarded as pretty much selfish, callous libertarian fantasy with a not very rigorously defined or defended outline of a philosophy attached. Plus her writing is totally functional which gives something like Atlas Shrugged no real artistic resonance as a novel. But it's good to figure out these things on your own rather than just taking people's words for it. So read away if it's seems worthwhile. But also play Bioshock, one of the most awesome pieces of literary criticism ever.

On writing notes, I would just do it where you are naturally pausing to think things over while you read anyway. At least that's what I do, if there's anything I really want to think over, I naturally stop reading anyway, and I read passages multiple times on my first read through anyway.

Pride and Prejudice is really fun though. Also Firefly, the final episode Objects in Space is pretty much one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen, so you have to finish it.

so I just noticed I've been spelling her name wrong forever. lol.

Its still an interesting read, for me, even if I do or don't agree with her philosophy. reading for the sake of reading I suppose, and its been enjoyable no matter what her message (or, I guess, lack of) is. I'll see if I agree or not when I finish :p.

I'm a chapter (or section or whatever) into P&P though I know the story already, I'll still finish it.

That's #2 for firefly, I'll resume it once season 1 of Arrested Development is done.

And noted, for notes.


Hmm. I never got that detailed with my dislike of Ayn Rand - mostly I detest the writing style used. It's worse than translated Russian masterpieces or late 19th century styles. It simply doesn't draw me in at all. And rational self-interest as a philosophy only goes so far.

Also, I'm somewhat shocked you haven't already read Pride and Prejudice. Schools have changed, man.

Hmm. I don't take notes, but when reading something which resonates or makes a solid point to me, I will often re-read the book. Although, to be honest, I don't spend a lot of time trying to delve inside the book - I will assume that the cigar is just a cigar and read on unless it's a work specifically written as a criticism or satire. At least the first time through. (A thought that really didn't make my English teacher very happy - "What if that poem is really just about how his love is like a red red rose? And was written during spring, when he watched it bloom? Not any of that deep metaphysical stuff you're stretching to attribute to it?")

Then again, I've read best-selling authors talking in depth about the writing process, and it doesn't really match what many English teachers and academic literature writers have said. (That is my opinion of course.)

huh. am i too liberal or too conservative. or just fucked up and need more reading. not to devolve the thread into a conversation about Rand, but I like the writing style, though I don't think I could give a reason why if asked. As for self interest, Its still relevant. Can't just expect handouts and be reliant on the good will of others. I mean of course its silly to live on that because other people are important of course. on the other hand I'm not done with the novel.

i was supposed to, I picked it as my independent reading novel, but never actually finished it. I could make excuses, like we were reading 2 books at once and I was a lazy fuck but I'll just leave it at that :p.

And yeah not everything has metaphysical elements. but its amusing to pretend sometimes, lol.

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ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 02:16:36
July 14 2012 02:02 GMT
#23
Very often I think things aren't supposed to be directly symbolizing something else in literature, they are just details that seem very descriptive and carry a lot of weight in summing up the whole picture. Like what kind of cigar or how someone handles a cigar is suggestive of what sort of background they are from, what sort of social set they belong to without directly writing that stuff as exposition, but it's stuff you sort of have to be in touch with the social scene of the era to get in that case. Like if I now just described a guy as a guy sitting at a fair trade coffee shop with an iPad, indie band t-shirt and skinny jeans, a lot more is conveyed than just hey, it's an informal day and he's thirsty for coffee and there's some description for window dressing, but nothing is an overt symbol for anything.

I don't think it's that often that authors are directly thinking of one symbol being for one other direct thing; they are thinking of it as one understanding, but it can't be the exclusive way to understand whatever the image is. That would usually be just facile and poor writing.

On improving yourself, most of the time I've found it's the sort of thing that it makes no difference whether you try to do it, or you just live, let go of the striving and then reflect on what happens. You still learn and grow either way, it's just one way puts a bunch of pressure on yourself and the other way not as much. Cause there are so many different ways you improve yourself--one of which is acquiring a lot of information or experiences with art or books, one of which is physical conditioning, but there are so many other dimensions too--that there's no real path to doing it. It's more just an attitude that however you go about living, knowing you'll grow and understand more as you go, and you'll improve what you truly want to improve. And right now I'm thinking of Alanis Morissette You Learn, hehe.

I'm all about avoiding putting a lot of pressure on myself, but that's me, so I think of things in that sort of more Tao way. So for me the only thing I should be doing is being a decent person to people and doing whatever that requires (sometimes it's complex to figure out or a big, life changing undertaking) and otherwise my guideline is what I want to be doing instead of what I should be doing. It's made things so much more pleasant for me.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
July 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#24
I'm out of college and Slaughter-House Five is still on my to-do reading list. High five! Right?

But why do you want to read Pride and Prejudice?
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 14 2012 02:17 GMT
#25
On July 14 2012 11:02 ZapRoffo wrote:

On improving yourself, most of the time I've found it's the sort of thing that it makes no difference whether you try to do it, or you just live, let go of the striving and then reflect on what happens. You still learn and grow either way, it's just one way puts a bunch of pressure on yourself and the other way not as much.

I'll keep that in mind, too.

On July 14 2012 11:12 Newbistic wrote:
I'm out of college and Slaughter-House Five is still on my to-do reading list. High five! Right?

But why do you want to read Pride and Prejudice?

Haha nice.

At first, it was a group independent reading book for my third quarter of ap lit. I never got to finish it, but I did like the book, so now I wanna get it done because I enjoyed reading what parts of it there were. Austen's writing is fun, I like the story, and I only got to watch the movie for what I know of the plot (which, as awesome as it was with kiera knightly, isn't the same experience).
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