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6d.Leek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States76 Posts
June 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#1
Context: Below you can find a comment on Liquid Rising as well as my response. I may spruce it up in the future, but this has been something that I--as a lurker and very infrequent poster--have had a gripe with ever since SC2 began to develop as an esport.

On June 23 2012 05:59 theBOOCH wrote:
I enjoyed watching it as a fan, but from a film standpoint, that wasn't a great documentary. It didn't really have any information that would be useful for a non-starcraft/TL fan, and it didn't have very much new or interesting information on TL or the players either for those of us who follow the scene. Production value wasn't poor, but there wasn't any real visual interest and the music chosen was pretty cheesy. I would rather have seen an "outsider's" perspective on TL and the SC2 scene in general, and sort of an artistic take on what it means to be a progamer. I would like to see some depth I guess. As it is, it was just a bunch of interviews with TL guys. We see those all the time, bring us something new :/ As far as documentaries go, it doesn't have a lot of value. As far as TL propaganda goes, it's not that great either. I can only really see this being important to someone who is new to the scene, but already an interested part of it, who wants a quick refresher course on Team Liquid.


You have to understand that every documentary has to have a scope of production, a purpose, an audience, and a time frame to film, so just because one documentary may deal in the realm of SC2 eSports does not necessarily mean it has to target an extremely wide audience and show the world the reasons why eSports has cultivated the following it has. You seem to be dissatisfied with the documentary but I really doubt you ever once reflected and wondered why on earth this thing was produced in the first place. "Artistic take" of a progamer? Outside perspective? This documentary was never supposed to leave the eSports sphere and I don't really understand why you felt it needed to. Did it need to be groundbreaking? Absolutely not and you are foolish to think that in the budding stages of eSports that some monumental statement can be made in just 90 minutes of screen time.

I can agree with you it was laid out quite simply at times and maybe the vision maybe wasn't as developed as it could be, but it did accomplish some key tasks:

1. It characterized teamliquid on a much more personal level, showcasing the dynamics of the inter-team relationship as well as the personalities, motivations, and insights of players, owners, etc. This cultivates the image, it works well for the team in gathering sponsorships; you get the idea.

2. It is a reminder to EVERY spectator in eSports that behind every name on a screen/on a forum/in a video is a person. Criticism, negativity, and uncontrolled emotions are a staple to the online community and are extremely petty.

No spectator or self-implied critic can rightfully criticize any of these fine individuals. They deal with depression, confusion, sadness, just as you and I do. Without a doubt all players have cultivated a public personality but fundamentally they all struggle to understand humanity. To insult them for not posting results, to criticize their play style or personality based on such limited content provided by streams and tournaments is completely unfair. This doesn't just apply for TL players either.

It's extremely easy to type up a half-hearted paragraph of criticisms using only a limited perception of what you believe in a nutshell is eSports, but it's extremely difficult to say something meaningful or derive value from a scandal, a BO3, or a documentary--which you so readily dismissed--that tries to show the legitimacy, the staying power of TL and eSports.

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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 21:34:43
June 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#2
You could have just put this in that thread....

That being said , I enjoyed it alot.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10149 Posts
June 22 2012 22:40 GMT
#3
That documentary is probs the best documentary ive ever seen tbh. simple beautiful and amazing. i really liked it. thank you so much TL!!! I'd donate if i could, but sadly i dont have a job
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Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
June 22 2012 23:40 GMT
#4
I LOVED how simple the documentary was laid out. When I watch a documentary I would rather have them show me things and I can just absorb the information rather than have to figure shit out. I thought it was well made. The purpose of the documentary was to show the behind the scenes of the players, to allow fans to better connect with them. IMO, it succeeded magnificently in this regard.
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