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On June 09 2012 13:33 FullNatural wrote:
I think automatic cars should be banned. Well, except maybe for people who lost and arm or leg or something. Otherwise I think all cars should be stick. If u cant drive stick then take the bus. Imagine how much safer the road would be. People would actually have to pay attention to what the hell their car is doing on the road. Less texting and eating while driving as well.
to the guy above. Driving an automatic car surely means you are paying less attention. It's common sense. When something is so highly automated it leaves the driver with almost nothing to do. What do people do when they are bored? Do they constantly scan intersections and look for people popping out of driveways? NO. They pick up their phone and start texting. Or use their free hand to feed their face.
These are things u can't easily do while driving stick. because there is not a butt load of dead time. u have to pysically make the car do what u want it to do. thus putting u in connection with the car and making u aware of what is around u.
bring back drum breaks - you have to be in more of a connection with your car to stop it in time or you will plow into people, nobody will be using their phone
also get rid of power steering - like said above, you will have to use both hands and it puts you more in a connection with your car
shit, while you're at it - i never felt more in-tune with the road and my surroundings than when i was riding my bicycle... just imagine how many car accidents would happen if everyone rode bikes instead!
(lol, ban technology, right?)
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On June 09 2012 13:33 FullNatural wrote:
I think automatic cars should be banned. Well, except maybe for people who lost and arm or leg or something. Otherwise I think all cars should be stick. If u cant drive stick then take the bus. Imagine how much safer the road would be. People would actually have to pay attention to what the hell their car is doing on the road. Less texting and eating while driving as well.
to the guy above. Driving an automatic car surely means you are paying less attention. It's common sense. When something is so highly automated it leaves the driver with almost nothing to do. What do people do when they are bored? Do they constantly scan intersections and look for people popping out of driveways? NO. They pick up their phone and start texting. Or use their free hand to feed their face.
These are things u can't easily do while driving stick. because there is not a butt load of dead time. u have to pysically make the car do what u want it to do. thus putting u in connection with the car and making u aware of what is around u.
Yeah.... Not going to lie, this is a pretty stupid argument.
I have been driving stick for 5 years, I vastly prefer it to automatic, but actually make legitimate arguments instead of just blathering on completely random stuff.
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On June 09 2012 13:33 FullNatural wrote:
I think automatic cars should be banned. Well, except maybe for people who lost and arm or leg or something. Otherwise I think all cars should be stick. If u cant drive stick then take the bus. Imagine how much safer the road would be. People would actually have to pay attention to what the hell their car is doing on the road. Less texting and eating while driving as well.
to the guy above. Driving an automatic car surely means you are paying less attention. It's common sense. When something is so highly automated it leaves the driver with almost nothing to do. What do people do when they are bored? Do they constantly scan intersections and look for people popping out of driveways? NO. They pick up their phone and start texting. Or use their free hand to feed their face.
These are things u can't easily do while driving stick. because there is not a butt load of dead time. u have to pysically make the car do what u want it to do. thus putting u in connection with the car and making u aware of what is around u.
you really think stick drivers are paying that much more attention after how automatic driving a stick becomes after a few years? that that iota of attention actually contributes to anything and factors remotely towards not being bored while driving; to floating into lala land like everyone that uses automatic? are you actually trying to state that stick drivers don't also eat, talk, use their phones, text, change their music, daydream, and every other distraction?
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Clearly people are having a hard time with reading comprehension. Please read where I wrote the word "less"
To the silly people that suggested I somehow implied removing safety features from cars (lol what?), I'm not sure how you made that leap....an automatic tranny is not a safety feature. I never suggest removing anything and everything to make drivers more aware...
Again it's pretty common sense that the more automated something is, the less the operator pays attention.
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On June 09 2012 13:39 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:33 FullNatural wrote:
I think automatic cars should be banned. Well, except maybe for people who lost and arm or leg or something. Otherwise I think all cars should be stick. If u cant drive stick then take the bus. Imagine how much safer the road would be. People would actually have to pay attention to what the hell their car is doing on the road. Less texting and eating while driving as well.
to the guy above. Driving an automatic car surely means you are paying less attention. It's common sense. When something is so highly automated it leaves the driver with almost nothing to do. What do people do when they are bored? Do they constantly scan intersections and look for people popping out of driveways? NO. They pick up their phone and start texting. Or use their free hand to feed their face.
These are things u can't easily do while driving stick. because there is not a butt load of dead time. u have to pysically make the car do what u want it to do. thus putting u in connection with the car and making u aware of what is around u. So you want the people who are using their phone and/or eating to also worry about working their manual transmission? That would clearly cause even more accidents. What makes you think just because the car is manual that people would cease this behavior? Edit: Also, why have power steering? When you can turn the wheel with one hand, you can use your phone right? Remove power steering from all modern cars.
my point was that these people talking on phones and eating while driving would not be able to do AS MUCH of this kind of dangerous stuff while driving a stick shift car.
I think that thhis would lessen the behaviour because most people would not have the dexterity to carry out such behavior while driving stick. alot of people would have to chose either drive and shift....or fuck around. U'd think driving would be the first choice.
when u see 80 year old people, soccer moms, and 16 year old girls that look like they can't walk straight texting etc while driving....maybe....just maybe things are getting a little too automated.
@Angel_ im saying they do LESS of it because it is physically impossible to do AS MUCH of it.
Anyways, I don't see any other advantage to an auto car than being "easy" Like being easy is what we want when we let 16 year olds and the elderly pilot 4,000 pound death tanks.
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On June 09 2012 15:20 FullNatural wrote:
Clearly people are having a hard time with reading comprehension. Please read where I wrote the word "less"
To the silly people that suggested I somehow implied removing safety features from cars (lol what?), I'm not sure how you made that leap....an automatic tranny is not a safety feature. I never suggest removing anything and everything to make drivers more aware...
Again it's pretty common sense that the more automated something is, the less the operator pays attention.
Yeah, I paid a lot more attention to this desktop when it was an abacus. Now basically all I do with it is run 100 tabs in Firefox alone, let alone all the other programs I have open.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
I think that thhis would lessen the behaviour because most people would not have the dexterity to carry out such behavior while driving stick.
the driving texter:
probably not rational;
and neither are you
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Have you ever driven in bumper to bumper traffic in peak hour?
As someone who prefers driving a manual, learnt and got my license in a manual, I can tell you that I have. And it is not fun.. Especially after a hard days work, just wanting to get home and enjoy the rest of the night and relax. Sitting in traffic riding the clutch for up to an hour or more, constantly moving at a walking pace in hot weather is close to a living hell.
I now have an automatic car and when I bought it i dismissed it as an improvement because simply, I never cared. But after feeling the difference driving under the circumstances stated above I can tell you it is a hell of a lot better as far as driving experience goes.
People "mistaking the accelerator for the brake" or 2 foot driving are just people not driving the way they are suppose to. Same thing happens in manuals, people stalling or driving in the wrong gear, bunnyhopping etc. You can't use a minority of poor drivers as a stereotype for a whole entity of drivers.
Most cars these days have handy little lights that alert the driver when fluid or anything of that nature needs replacing, I would hardly call it a worry.
I still miss driving a manual, and prefer manual cars. But there is definitely more upside to automatics than people on here are giving credit for.
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Get a motorcycle (prefably) or scooter would help heaps with the peak hour traffic =D
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I vastly prefer manual cars. They are a lot more fun to drive since you can keep the revs where you want them. I would definitely have an automatic if I lived in a big city and had to commute during rush hour. Driving a manual in heavy traffic sucks.
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On June 09 2012 05:25 Angel_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 05:23 TheToast wrote:On June 09 2012 05:20 Angel_ wrote:
i drive with one foot on the gas and the other for my brake pedal. what is the problem? oh you mean idiots that sit with their foot pushing down on the break while they gas? that's not unique to automatic transmission drivers. Lol, no he's talking about people who are doing exactly what you're doing. uh. what's the problem again?
Oh I used to do that too...
When I was driving around in a parking lot a few days after I received my permit. Then I met my instructor who chewed me out because you're actually supposed to use the same foot for both pedals...
Automatics get me from A to B with a minimal amount of effort, reasonable safety, and at an ok cost: GOOD ENOUGH. Cars are boring as hell for me, so I'd rather spend as little time thinking about them as possible. Tbh it surprises me that the same people would be interested in both cars & Starcraft, but this is a diverse world.
If you like manuals, whatever - we all have our hobbies, don't makes yours out to be something bigger than it is.
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As a delivery driver that drives 5 hours a night, I love my automatic. I can drive a stick, but 5 hours a night of stop and go traffic is just plain annoying. Most of my friends drive a manual here in Florida, but they aren't doing deliveries. I'd prefer a manual over auto except in my position.
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On June 09 2012 15:20 FullNatural wrote:
Clearly people are having a hard time with reading comprehension. Please read where I wrote the word "less"
To the silly people that suggested I somehow implied removing safety features from cars (lol what?), I'm not sure how you made that leap....an automatic tranny is not a safety feature. I never suggest removing anything and everything to make drivers more aware...
Again it's pretty common sense that the more automated something is, the less the operator pays attention.
logically, the more you give the driver to do, the less they can pay attention to their surroundings?
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Germany1233 Posts
On June 10 2012 05:11 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 15:20 FullNatural wrote:
Clearly people are having a hard time with reading comprehension. Please read where I wrote the word "less"
To the silly people that suggested I somehow implied removing safety features from cars (lol what?), I'm not sure how you made that leap....an automatic tranny is not a safety feature. I never suggest removing anything and everything to make drivers more aware...
Again it's pretty common sense that the more automated something is, the less the operator pays attention. logically, the more you give the driver to do, the less they can pay attention to their surroundings?
No, because you react on what happens in your surroundings. The more you have to react on, the more attention you have to pay to your surrounding in order to react accordingly in every situation.
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I don't know what you are talking about, all my friend in highschool drive manual.
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my parents drove manual for a decade and switched over to auto when it came out.
They thought the invention of automatic transmission was wonderful.
im sure most adults, my parents included, nowadays buy auto because they are lazy.
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The latest "automatics" are actually manual transmissions shifted by the computer: Dual Clutch Transmissions, or DCT. Not all of them, but a good chunk of the 2012's/2013's. They started out in performance cars, but are now commonplace in new cars.
They are notably better in gas mileage. "Auto = Lower fuel economy" ? Maybe back in 1987. Go look up fuel economy specs of a DCT vs a Manual for the same car. Typically they have an option to manually shift yourself via paddle shifters.
But if you like the fun of a manual, go for it.
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On June 08 2012 22:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Auto = Lower fuel economy
Auto transmission costs more than manual on a new car (Here by maybe 1500-2000 per car)
Clutch is far cheaper to replace than Auto transmission
Can slow down with gears giving you more control with manual (especially good in Ice and Snow conditions)
Slowing down with gears means less wear on brake pads = more cost savings
You can bump start/roll start a manual if your battery is flat
Don't need to worry if transmission fluid is topped up
Manual = no idiots driving around with one foot on the brake and the other on the accelerator
Also too many auto drivers mistaking the accelerator for the brake and just driving straight into houses or pedestrians , i see so many of these accidents it's not funny.
Seriously the only reason i see people give for not driving a manual is it's hard to drive up a hill.Waaah waaah waaah no wonder the west is in decline with lazy attitudes like that.Toughen up kids.
To finish hardly anyone in the USA can drive manuals anymore so learn manual and the beatnik kids who run around stealing cars won't be able to drive yours away.
People get those confused? Uhh, call us Americans whatever you want, but I have never met a single person here with that problem. O_o
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On June 11 2012 10:34 Raven068 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 22:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Auto = Lower fuel economy
Auto transmission costs more than manual on a new car (Here by maybe 1500-2000 per car)
Clutch is far cheaper to replace than Auto transmission
Can slow down with gears giving you more control with manual (especially good in Ice and Snow conditions)
Slowing down with gears means less wear on brake pads = more cost savings
You can bump start/roll start a manual if your battery is flat
Don't need to worry if transmission fluid is topped up
Manual = no idiots driving around with one foot on the brake and the other on the accelerator
Also too many auto drivers mistaking the accelerator for the brake and just driving straight into houses or pedestrians , i see so many of these accidents it's not funny.
Seriously the only reason i see people give for not driving a manual is it's hard to drive up a hill.Waaah waaah waaah no wonder the west is in decline with lazy attitudes like that.Toughen up kids.
To finish hardly anyone in the USA can drive manuals anymore so learn manual and the beatnik kids who run around stealing cars won't be able to drive yours away. People get those confused? Uhh, call us Americans whatever you want, but I have never met a single person here with that problem. O_o
My twin sister did that once, learning to drive when we were 16 and had just gotten learner's permits. Other than that, I don't think I know anyone it's ever happened to unless they have some nervous system disorder (in which case they probably wouldn't be able to drive manual, and maybe even auto).
Personally, I just hate driving. I hate being behind the wheel of a car, so anything that I can do to make that easier, and get it over with faster gets an A+ in my book. I'm always nervous, always looking ahead for intersections, stop signs, trying to see around corners before I get to them, checking my mirrors and the cars around me. If I had to worry about shifting as well, that's just a bunch of my attention that's not being devoted to keeping safe on the road.
If I cared that much about good mileage (a ~10% increase?) I would get a ~100% increase by driving a motorcycle or scooter. This is a ridiculous argument. As far as people stealing my car... I don't remember the last time I heard a friend of mine say their car was stolen. Broken into, and their (GPS, Phone, wallet, laptop, etc. etc.) sure, but the entire car? Bitch please.
I don't think there are any good reasons to drive a manual car, besides "for fun" or to show off to people that can't do it. Maybe they should just stop making the damn things, since they're inferior in every way.
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