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metbull

United States404 Posts

May 04 2012 16:00 GMT

#61

On May 05 2012 00:41 ArcticFox wrote:

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On May 05 2012 00:20 metbull wrote:

On May 04 2012 19:42 -Exalt- wrote:
...fuck you

if people are upset that destiny used those words.. fine. don't watch him and know that if he gets featured again he won't be able to say "bad words" anymore. but you call the company who sponsors our awesome game and want to get them involved? to make a big deal out of a small issue hoping to deter a sponsor from a team that depends on the sponsors support? FFS

you have 50 posts. what have you ever done for the community? yet you somehow feel the need to "defend it", or stand up for teamliquid's principles? all you did was escalate something that shouldn't even be your business.

people like this.. make me lose faith in the human race.

You have 832 posts. I guess that makes you a paragon for esports? Don't start throwing post counts out to determine whether what a person has to say is worthy or not. That's just ignorant thinking.

I for one, if I had a business that sponsored ANY team, would like to know if a member of that team was behaving inappropriately, using language that was offensive, or caused undue stress on the team and or franchise due to that team member's behavior. I want to know this information because my business is connected with that team, and also connected with that player. So when someone thinks of that player they think of the sponsor (whether directly or indirectly).
When Vick was drawn up on charges of dog fighting, weren't there people who called, wrote, protested the Atlanta Falcons because of Vick's actions? Of course there were. And why did these fans do that? Is it because they wanted to hurt football by causing a scene?
If you want to stick you head in the sand, go right ahead. But when you do that you lose the right to complain.
You don't vote?
You don't get to complain about the politicians from your state having done jack shit during their service terms.
Why? Cause you didn't support or reject them. You ignored the world because maybe you feel, "What is one voice in the see of many?"

You don't discipline your children when they misbehave?
You don't get to be outraged when they participate in deviant behavior, engage in criminal activities, etc.
Conversely, there are many that want to see esports continue to grow. There are many who do not (Just see Gheed's blog post) though he is not the only one by far. But if this business is to succeed and grow business have to want to spend money. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people here on TL and redditt to understand.

I wonder if I had a job, where I interacted with thousands of people each day, and while interacting with these people I used racial slurs (that while not directed at my customers, some of those customers were a part of the demographic that my racial slur applied to). Do you think it is acceptable for my employer to continue to keep me employed if some of those customers brought my language to my bosses attention? How many of those customers, that were offended, are going to be return customers or are they going to seriously think about finding another business to fulfill their needs?

Your analogies are off. If those things happened, they're analogous to contacting Quantic, which people are within their rights to do. What happened was a ton of E-Mails to Razer. That's more analogous to contacting Roger Goddell to have the Falcons kicked out of the league over the Vick issue, or seeing a kid misbehaving and calling child protective services on the parent. There's a disconnect, a critical step that was skipped, that a lot of people are taking issue with, because it deters other sponsors from wanting to put money into the system.

I understand what you're saying, and that makes some sense; but Roger Goddell doesn't sponsor the Atlanta Falcons. He facilitates the entire National Football League. The Falcon's are indirectly sponsored by the fans and customers of that franchise (as well as direct sponsorships through drink companies, apparel producers, etc). But the mass amount of money comes from the "on the ground" fan. I don't know the content of the emails to Razer; but I don't know that people were calling Razer to stop sponsorship of Quanitc rather perhaps they were expressing concern about Quantic having an active employee that was using racial slurs. Maybe they were calling for Razer to drop Quantic, and if that is the case then I don't think it's right to punish an entire team for the actions of one player.

Steveling

Greece10806 Posts

May 04 2012 16:36 GMT

#62

I missed the whole destiny drama. Not that I care.
Anyway, ty for your service. He deserved it.

Wortie

Netherlands212 Posts

May 04 2012 17:07 GMT

#63

How nice of you OP, to get offended for all the asians that probably don't give a fuck about what Destiny said to another person on the internet.

But I have to say, it's kinda disturbing that you actually feel good about ruining someones job. Seriously.

matiK23

United States963 Posts

May 04 2012 17:26 GMT

#64

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Am I the only Korean around here that wasn't offended by Destiny saying gook?

ToFu.

331 Posts

May 04 2012 17:59 GMT

#65

On May 05 2012 02:07 Wortie wrote:
How nice of you OP, to get offended for all the asians that probably don't give a fuck about what Destiny said to another person on the internet.

But I have to say, it's kinda disturbing that you actually feel good about ruining someones job. Seriously.

i was offended. actually, i didn't even learn about it since i don't play sc2 until i saw this post.

On May 05 2012 02:26 matiK23 wrote:
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Am I the only Korean around here that wasn't offended by Destiny saying gook?

nowadays the term applies to east asians in general, at least in america.

Flonomenalz

Nigeria3519 Posts

May 04 2012 18:07 GMT

#66

Do you guys realize the ramifications of e-mailing sponsors? It affects a lot more than just Destiny, who obviously didn't even need his partnership with Quantic, and will probably still get just about the same number of viewers as he always does when he starts streaming again. It's about how it makes the scene LOOK. We look like an angry mob lynching whomever is thrown into the spotlight next.

What happened to when strategy threads were the ones blowing up? When people ACTUALLY CARED about the game? Instead of debating over improvements to the UI, game play, etc., the most popular threads are drama filled nonsense filled with internet white knights and fan boys going toe to toe with whatever insults they can muster up within 15 seconds, before they refresh their page and realize that the thread is blowing up so fast, the person they were arguing with is hardly going to find their rebuttal anyway.

This site is so lame to visit lately...

LlamaNamedOsama

United States1900 Posts

May 04 2012 18:56 GMT

#67

People are throwing around the angry mob reference without even understanding what the term truly references. The flaws in the angry mob is the presence of "group-think" that defies ordinary reason. The problem: you're claiming that people are becoming an "angry mob" on the internet. In the internet, you do not have the same immersion of contact and peer pressure that forms mobs in reality. In fact, quite the opposite - the internet provides quite the number of alternative viewpoints (such as the wide disagreement on this issue), and there's little to no coercive force in a simple online bunch of text posturing one perspective (as opposed to a group of people shouting with pitchforks in front of your house).

Perhaps you're trying to say that people only get in arms because it is publicized, and fail to acknowledge movements that aren't not engaged directly. That is a criticism directed towards (wat you assert ought to be) the presence of cognitive dissonance, but in reality, smaller cognitive dissonances (that responses are not given to other offensive players/examples) are outweighed by the larger cognitive dissonance (that we believe in a fundamental attitude of respect towards groups such as various ethnicities, an attitude displayed in the OP).

matiK23

United States963 Posts

May 04 2012 19:07 GMT

#68

On May 05 2012 03:07 Flonomenalz wrote:
Do you guys realize the ramifications of e-mailing sponsors? It affects a lot more than just Destiny, who obviously didn't even need his partnership with Quantic, and will probably still get just about the same number of viewers as he always does when he starts streaming again. It's about how it makes the scene LOOK. We look like an angry mob lynching whomever is thrown into the spotlight next.

What happened to when strategy threads were the ones blowing up? When people ACTUALLY CARED about the game? Instead of debating over improvements to the UI, game play, etc., the most popular threads are drama filled nonsense filled with internet white knights and fan boys going toe to toe with whatever insults they can muster up within 15 seconds, before they refresh their page and realize that the thread is blowing up so fast, the person they were arguing with is hardly going to find their rebuttal anyway.

This site is so lame to visit lately...

omg, this post would be a near perfect script for the angry Hitler on the state of the SC2 community.

Flonomenalz

Nigeria3519 Posts

May 05 2012 11:56 GMT

#69

On May 05 2012 03:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
People are throwing around the angry mob reference without even understanding what the term truly references. The flaws in the angry mob is the presence of "group-think" that defies ordinary reason. The problem: you're claiming that people are becoming an "angry mob" on the internet. In the internet, you do not have the same immersion of contact and peer pressure that forms mobs in reality. In fact, quite the opposite - the internet provides quite the number of alternative viewpoints (such as the wide disagreement on this issue), and there's little to no coercive force in a simple online bunch of text posturing one perspective (as opposed to a group of people shouting with pitchforks in front of your house).

Perhaps you're trying to say that people only get in arms because it is publicized, and fail to acknowledge movements that aren't not engaged directly. That is a criticism directed towards (wat you assert ought to be) the presence of cognitive dissonance, but in reality, smaller cognitive dissonances (that responses are not given to other offensive players/examples) are outweighed by the larger cognitive dissonance (that we believe in a fundamental attitude of respect towards groups such as various ethnicities, an attitude displayed in the OP).

In the midst of you attempting to argue semantics over the internet, you fail to realize that there are similar pressures enacted upon internet communities. Reddit is a community. TL is a community. Within communities arise contacts, and through contacts, the same pressures that exist in reality.

Masq

Canada1792 Posts

May 05 2012 16:17 GMT

#70

Why is this even such a large topic? If you're a community figure you need to watch what you say. After the Orb incident, people should have expected something like this, regardless if he said it out of anger or not. If a company is going to invest money into something, they don't want to be associated with racist remarks or any bad publicity, regardless if it was said in jest.

You don't see profession athletes being endorsed by companies like Beckham(Adidas), Woods(Nike), or Iverson(Reebok) going around swearing in their private time. I'm sure they do, but not publically.

I guess affairs dont count

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