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On April 30 2012 07:57 Gheed wrote:
... The ladder is not designed for competition, it's designed to give you something to do. The person who beat you just wanted to play a videogame, not have an epenis sword fight.
Hahahaha
Yeah, like most people have said, when someone says "re" or "rematch", I usually interpret them as feeling like they unjustly lost and they want to prove they are better than you. However, if they ask politely for a practice game, typically, I will grudgingly oblige. I have to be in the right mood to ladder, usually its when I'm feeling competitive and I want to see results. Practicing is more oriented towards grinding out games and tweaking builds, and when I'm laddering I'm typically not in the mood for practicing.
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In addition to the very valid answers provided above (your message is not obvious for the casual player and you are butthurt rather than actually interested in playing against that person), I'd like to point out that playing games that don't count towards the Dark Voice portrait is by default not as interesting.
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On April 30 2012 07:58 Rinny wrote:
Did he manner match you wtf is going on in that game??
He proxy hatched me at my natural. I decided not to bother about expanding, and 4gated him. His hatch died to a zealot and a cannon, built a few useless lings and a spine, even rebuilt the hatch.
Did I mention he went 3 hatch? Stalkers rape slowlings (he probably threw a hundred at me), and eventually this happened.
In the midst of all this (before dying horribly), he said this:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rxi3t.jpg)
I taunted him a bit, then he went ballistic. He kept challenging me afterward; why should I waste my time against some idiot who can't even cheese properly?
On April 30 2012 08:07 Nibbler89 wrote:
That line makes me think an exaggerated situation of what actually happens might go like this:
"man i played so shitty that game, thats why i lost, rematch?"
"uhh maybe later"
"lol you coward? you scared? why so bm?"
Player is ignoring you.
lol bm coward"
Yup, that's exactly what happened.
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That competitive spark I'm sure most people had on iCCup D+ and higher is just not there in SC2. bnet 2.0 have turned people into real wimps. There was so many times you would play like 5+ games in a row against the same guy. It was not like "LOL I wasn't warmed up I will beat him now to show him I am superior!!!" it was just genuinely practice to get better with someone that was capable of beating you, and now you wan't to beat him. And most people just play because they wan't to get dAt-cOOl portrait or decal, or get top 5 in their useless division and league to get longer e-peen when it comes to their friends, and you don't get that in customs.
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On April 30 2012 09:45 Gosi wrote:
That competitive spark I'm sure most people had on iCCup D+ and higher is just not there in SC2. bnet 2.0 have turned people into real wimps. There was so many times you would play like 5+ games in a row against the same guy. It was not like "LOL I wasn't warmed up I will beat him now to show him I am superior!!!" it was just genuinely practice to get better with someone that was capable of beating you, and now you wan't to beat him. And most people just play because they wan't to get dAt-cOOl portrait or decal, or get top 5 in their useless division and league to get longer e-peen when it comes to their friends, and you don't get that in customs.
How is playing vs the same person many times more competetive than playing vs other random people? It's just as competetive to just ladder. It's also a completely different system. In BW/ICCup you get into a lobby with some random guy who could be anything from A to D, and if it was an even game (or whatever reasons you've got) you ask for a regame. In sc2 you don't have to ask specifically for someone who is into practicing with a C+ player, you can just hit one button and get into the game with a (kind of) evenly matched opponent.
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On April 30 2012 09:45 Gosi wrote:
That competitive spark I'm sure most people had on iCCup D+ and higher is just not there in SC2. bnet 2.0 have turned people into real wimps. There was so many times you would play like 5+ games in a row against the same guy. It was not like "LOL I wasn't warmed up I will beat him now to show him I am superior!!!" it was just genuinely practice to get better with someone that was capable of beating you, and now you wan't to beat him. And most people just play because they wan't to get dAt-cOOl portrait or decal, or get top 5 in their useless division and league to get longer e-peen when it comes to their friends, and you don't get that in customs.
Or just maybe I don't want to play the same person. So what if I want to be #1 in my division? If I'm laddering I'm probaby doing it for a reason. I don't have to give someone a re-game just because they feel like they got "robbed". If I wanted to play a custom game, I would of searched for a practice partner.
On Iccup I was a D+ Terran and I usually played again if someone said "RE", but I gained POINTS from re-gaming. Something I don't do from a custom game in SC2. Yeah I know points are "useless", but so what. I want to ladder and raise my MMR... not face some random guy that thinks he deserves a "RE" game.
Now if the person is nice and just wants some practice in a certain match-up usually I will play some custom games with them if I have some time. I don't like playing re-games with people that start whining about their loss because their stupidity will kill my brain cells.
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Because they want to play someone other than yourself.
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I'm always open for a rematch, unless I have to go. But at least I explain that I have to go...
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I usually wouldn't accept rematches from somebody I won against either if they act like they lost b/c of imbalance or cause garbage game etc. I wouldn't mind a rematch against someone who knew their mistake and wanted another game.
That being said, I think the majority don't like to rematch the losers because they want to go out with a win. They are 1-0 against that guy, undefeated. If they rematch, they don't want to lose that (unimportant) statistic.
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The vast majority of people who ask for rematches, in my experience, are people who are furiously raging. Declining the rematch pisses them off even more which is why I(and probably most other people) generally decline a re.
P.S. this bullshit "manner" stigma over nothing is such a fucking joke in the starcraft community. "wahhhh he didn't say 'gg' after i raped him, what a bmer." Get real.
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Ladder is life. Points are life. Everything is ruled by the spice.
see what i did there? 
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On April 30 2012 07:15 darkness wrote:
Do you think there is a good reason if they don't even though it's not about lack of time?
I think the most likely reason would be something to the effect of "Why play a custom game when I can ladder and get more points?"
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On April 30 2012 12:11 Rice wrote:
The vast majority of people who ask for rematches, in my experience, are people who are furiously raging. Declining the rematch pisses them off even more which is why I(and probably most other people) generally decline a re.
P.S. this bullshit "manner" stigma over nothing is such a fucking joke in the starcraft community. "wahhhh he didn't say 'gg' after i raped him, what a bmer." Get real.
Agreed. Most people asking for rematches aren't nice about it. To me, the word "rematch" implies that they're not happy with the outcome (losing) and want to show off the ggimba skill. If they said something like "gg that was fun, do you mind if we play again?", I would probably give them the rematch. There's a subtle difference between the two.
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This is why you just ask for "re", and if they refuse, they refuse.
People should just get over it. It doesn't matter what happened during the game, you lost. You can blame luck all you want, or a misclick, but in the end, your opponent just made one less mistake than you, or one more good decision than you.
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On April 30 2012 23:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:
People should just get over it. It doesn't matter what happened during the game, you lost. You can blame luck all you want, or a misclick, but in the end, your opponent just made one less mistake than you, or one more good decision than you.
This basically. If you played against an opponent he was about the same skilllevel as you (thanks to matchmaking).
"I lost due to sloppy macro/micro" Do you think he doesnt have sloppy macro/micro?
He could probably tell you multiple occasions in the game where he fucked up.
It's like telling him "You suck - I'm better than you, but made this stupid mistake and didnt really try. Come - let me show you how much you suck!!"
And when I have a rematch - what do people want from me? If I try the same style again, some play a ridiculous exploitive strategy against it, which would fail against basically everything else. And then boast about the win "I told you I'm better".
And if I play another style - some whine "Oh but you didnt play like that the last time".
So I have to say the majority of rematches I had were a bad experience.
So that's why I avoid them - UNLESS someone asks like "Hey, can we play again? I want to see if I can hold your push (or whatever) with my strategy or if I have to change something". Because then I know what he expects from me and it's about improving not boasting/belitteling.
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Why so much BM over rematches?
Maybe it's because it's summer now, but I've got more time on my hands. I play to improve and get better. Unless someone was seriously BM in game, I'll give you a rematch and probably add you as a friend for a practice partner.
Although I have to admit, I've played a few games (especially against P, and I'm T) where they lose to my timing push from a 1 rax FE, and then double proxy gate me or 4-gate me. That really pisses me off, but I just GG out as soon as I see the cheese coming. Its just a custom, and you've got your win. Why should I care?
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It seems a lot of people don't understand why others ask for a regame. It's not because they necessarily think that they're better than you, it could be because they felt that they played poorly in the game and would like to play again with you now that they know that you're at or above their level.
I remember when I used to play BW on iCCup and other ladders like PGTour and WGTour I would go into a game with someone and say, "play 5 games" or "play 3 games?" I would say that 90% of the time the other person would agree right away. In SC2, really the only people I ask for a re from is if I defend some type of cheese from them poorly and lose or if it's a long game that I end up losing. I've been fortunate enough to have most of the people I ask for a regame from agree and we play a few customs together, then go back to laddering.
I honestly think it all comes down to the other person, if they're just a straight up douche, don't have the time, or have something else they need to do. I mean, yeah it does have to do with the way you're asking for a regame as well. You can't act like a dick and expect a good reply. However, I do know that in some of the regames I've gotten, the other people love to cheese again, for whatever reason.
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There could be 10,000 reasons someone doesn't want to rematch you after a random ladder match. I'm generally inclined to accept if I have the time, but more often than not I'd rather face someone new/different and get more ladder points.
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Hm...I'd tend to say that another reason is that players who win would just like to run away with the win.  I know I do that sometimes hehe.
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