Flash should leave KT - Page 3

On April 10 2012 03:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
This is kinda off-topic-ish and biased, but to me, I feel like SK telecom is stacked like crazy. They have two S-class players bisu and fantasy(who were the only ones to take out flash both times)while KT only has 1 S-class player, flash. And since flash was 0-2 in the final, KT virtually had no "S-class" level player left except the zergs who performed well all throughout the playoffs but are usually inconsistent regular season. And I realize KT has stats who seemed unstoppable during regular season and is overall a solid toss but I wouldn't put him in the same category as bisu,fantasy,flash. And that's my point, sk telecom has 2 of these s-class players and they have best(who's been all the way to the OSL finals before but lost to julyzerg), and they have By.sun who(4-0'ed hwasung oz in the stx soul cup finals taking down s-class player jaedong and very good terran player hiya). Clearly these 4 starting lineups for sk telecom is incredibly unfair for any team and for KT to still make it to the finals every year is just astounding.

I mean just imagine having kobe bryant, michael jordan, lebron james, shaquille o neal in his prime, larry bird, magic johnson all in one fukin team. SK might as well sign jaedong and stork while they're at it. Flash does so much to keep this team together and it's not fair that all the pressure is only on him all the time. At least when fantasy loses, he still knows he has bisu or best or by.sun to pull him out. When flash loses, it's like a more severe blow..AND IM TIRED OF KEEPING THIS IN SO IM JUST GOING TO SAY IT. KT ONLY HAS FLASH PERIOD. I seroiusly dont know how action who is so inconsistent in regular season won every game in the playoffs but all he played were zvz's so who knows.

On April 09 2012 23:21 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Sorry zeehar, but I am Korean (And I speak Korean 100% fluently and understand Korean culture 100%), and this is not just MY opinion, but I am reading the same thing from Korean portals, where they are blaming the coach for 'dissing' Flash.

All the Korean friends who has watched this final just like me thought the coach was a huge dick. This includes people I know in real life, as well as my clan mates, where many of them are Korean. You are absolutely wrong with the fact that he was backing up Flash for manning up? lol. It does not matter if you were there or not, in fact, watching the video is even more precise because I can rewind and listen to his tone and what he said over and over.

My translation makes it sound better than how it was. What he said in Korean was even worse. You don't say 원망하거나 그런건 아니구.. if you don't understand what he's trying to get across here at this point... I will have to take it that you don't understand Korean language very well. What's with telling a full Korean who's lived in Korea for a long time that he doesn't understand Korean culture..?

A proper statement from the coach would have been;

영호가 어려운 맵임에도 불구하고 열심히 싸워줬지만 경기를 져서 유감입니다.

Now, this would have had no problem and would have backed up Flash for playing his heart out on such an unbalanced map.

On April 10 2012 11:00 GhostOwl wrote:


Fantasy isn't really a S-class player. He's more like S minus - Class. The only S-class in my eyes are Bisu/Jaedong/Flash.

His mentality is very weak, he chokes very easily. He choked in Stork OSL finals, finals vs Jaedong, and he almost even let Flash win back this game.

But he is very skilled.

You try to make it sound like KT has a huge disadvantage. They actually have an advantage. They have a S-class player who plays Terran, while SKT has a S-class player who plays Protoss, one semi-S class player who plays Terran. I'll take the former over the latter anyday. Terran at S-class level is unstoppable race....

On April 10 2012 11:10 MayorITC wrote:

Good for you. I'm Korean as well. And unlike you, I'm from Korea (born and raised). The coach wasn't blaming Flash for the loss. He was explaining the reason why Flash played on such a poor map for Terran. His comment at the end about "not holding a grudge" acknowledges how much Flash has done for the team. Learn to read the subtext. Maybe you're not as good at Korean as you think you are...

Just because your parents are Korean, don't take it upon yourself to be the spokesperson for Korean culture. And don't take it upon yourself to be Flash's agent as well either. Flash should leave KT? Please, what do you know about Flash's relationship with the coach? Nothing. All you have is your own interpretation of an open-ended statement made by the coach. Although maybe if you send a nice e-mail to coach, he can hire you as his speech writer since you seem to be the self-appointed expert on everything.

On April 10 2012 11:54 MaRiNe23 wrote:

Fantasy isn't an S-class player? Are u kidding me? 17-2(or something like that)all proleague season, and now 18-2(I believe even better stats than bisus's)including his win vs flash. Consistently makes top 5 KESPA rankings. Multiple OSL final appearances. I think he even won an OSL, can't remember. Keep in mind bisu STILL has not won an OSL yet. It's like lebron james being compared to michael jordan but jordan has 6 championship rings and lebron has none. I'm sorry I just completely disagree with u here.

His mentality is very weak
I can counter this by saying bisu always had a weak pvt(go back to last proleague finals in this exact situation when they sent out best for ace match instead of bisu cuz bisu was weak in pvt).

And to that last paragraph, I agree with what you said however..that would mean kt would only get 1-0 because flash is the only s-class player on his team while sk has 2-0. This is my point from that post. Sk has many many go to players that can be sent out to ace while flash has to take on the whole burden of the team everytime it's ace time.

Can you imagine what would've happened had flash NOT came out that ace match and they sent someone else out and they ended up losing? Were u there last grand finals when they sent out best instead of bisu? Flash HAS to come out almost every ace match. Espeically more considering it was the final game of the season and ace match.

Who else on kt besides flash can take on bisu skill vs skill.

On April 10 2012 12:28 Pelopidas wrote:


They could have sent Stats for the ace match. Stats has really good pvp, and pvp is probably Bisu's weakest matchup now. Stats has also beaten Bisu twice and never lost to him. However, I agree that it would have looked really bad if Stats had been sent and lost.

People need to stop underrating Fantasy. He clearly was SKT's best player this year. All of his losses were to good players, Last and Leta, while Bisu had some ridiculous failures against hOn_sin, Wookie and Tyson. Bisu also failed to qualify for the OSL once again, while Fantasy is seeded into the round of 16.

On April 10 2012 03:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
This is kinda off-topic-ish and biased, but to me, I feel like SK telecom is stacked like crazy. They have two S-class players bisu and fantasy(who were the only ones to take out flash both times)while KT only has 1 S-class player, flash. And since flash was 0-2 in the final, KT virtually had no "S-class" level player left except the zergs who performed well all throughout the playoffs but are usually inconsistent regular season. And I realize KT has stats who seemed unstoppable during regular season and is overall a solid toss but I wouldn't put him in the same category as bisu,fantasy,flash. And that's my point, sk telecom has 2 of these s-class players and they have best(who's been all the way to the OSL finals before but lost to julyzerg), and they have By.sun who(4-0'ed hwasung oz in the stx soul cup finals taking down s-class player jaedong and very good terran player hiya). Clearly these 4 starting lineups for sk telecom is incredibly unfair for any team and for KT to still make it to the finals every year is just astounding.

I mean just imagine having kobe bryant, michael jordan, lebron james, shaquille o neal in his prime, larry bird, magic johnson all in one fukin team. SK might as well sign jaedong and stork while they're at it. Flash does so much to keep this team together and it's not fair that all the pressure is only on him all the time. At least when fantasy loses, he still knows he has bisu or best or by.sun to pull him out. When flash loses, it's like a more severe blow..AND IM TIRED OF KEEPING THIS IN SO IM JUST GOING TO SAY IT. KT ONLY HAS FLASH PERIOD. I seroiusly dont know how action who is so inconsistent in regular season won every game in the playoffs but all he played were zvz's so who knows.

On April 10 2012 14:59 MaRiNe23 wrote:
This is probably gonna be my final word on this matter(unless someone responds to me)but I think if any other s-class player were to switch places with flash, they would not be able to take kt as far as flash did/is still doing. Like say..switch flash with bisu...I'm not sure if they can even make the playoffs..I mean maybe they can, but for bisu to take kt to the finals year after year like flash did? I doubt it.

Flash is truely THE star of stars. Sure he loses here and there like when he lost to jangbi to give him his osl win and recently when he lost to bisu but I think if u guys put all bias aside u'll be able to appreciate how great of a player he really is and what he brings to the game. I know I sound like a huge fanboy right now(becuz I am lol)but I consider myself to be pretty unbias in this regard and give respect where it's due. Never did I say bisu or fantsay were bad players. I hate sk BECAUSE they are STACKED with these great players but i respect both bisu and fantasy's skill..it's just even if they beat flash once in a while I still don't consider them in flash's level at all.

For all these years flash has been dominating the broodwar scene and has stood the test of time. While some players after winning one OSL fade into the wind or go into a huge slump or lose on purpose or whatever(i know bad savior joke :p), the fact that flash has been DOMINANT CONSISTENTLY for so many years is truely inspiring. I'm sure all of u know how hard and demanding the game of broodwar is. Guys...the kid just came out of a fukin wrist surgery and was hosptialized for months(?)and comes back and is still the best player in bw LOL. I mean putting every bias I have aside, how many professional athletes do u see who come back from an injury and is able to come back the same(or even better in flash's case). I mean I'm sure you guys would agree with me that a wrist injury or a finger or hand injury for a computer game is pretty big lol.

Flash is still the best player in this game whether he lost this finals or not. He is still capable of winning the osl for several more years. He is still capable of carrying kt to the finals once again and winning. He's doing this year after year after year after year and not just in top 5 but to stay number 1 for that long...u just have to respect that....

Flash is too special of a player and will go down as the top 5...no top 2 player to ever play this game(boxer is number 1 hehe).

On April 09 2012 08:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
WOAH

Woahh .......... Foreal????? KT Coach said that?