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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 03:34:52
April 08 2012 19:20 GMT
#1
After today's amazing, incredible SPL finals, I couldn't help but feel bad for Flash. Mind you, I am not a Flash fan, but a Bisu fan (MVP!!). However, Flash showed why he is number 1, he played incredibly, and would have won against any other protoss even on that map.

After the game, during KT coach 이지훈's (Lee Ji Hoon) interview, I thought it was unprofessional about his comments towards Flash. You could see Flash breakdown and cry during his interview. Basically, what he said was, this is an except from his interview (I am playing the video to type it down)

정말 많이 아쉽습니다. 일단은 이영호 선수가, 뭐 다들 아시겠지만 체인 리액션이라는 맵 자체가 워낙에 토스대 테란 밸런스가 토스쪽으로 많이 치우쳐서 준비를 시킬까 말까 계속 고민 했는데 본인이 나서서 그래도 제가 해야 하는게 맞다고 본인이 얘기를 해서 그래서 코칭 스태프와 모든 선수들이 힘을 실어줬는데, 그래서 아쉽게 졌지만은 (Video shows Flash crying here) 뭐 원망하거나 그런건 아니고...

TRANSLATION:
This is really too bad. First of all, as you know, Chain Reaction is an unbalanced map that is really favored for Protoss, so we contemplated if we should let Flash prepare for this map or not. However, Flash came forward and said that he should be the one to play, therefore, all the coaching staff and players supported him and gave him strength.Unfortunately he lost, but it isn't like we are going to hold grudge against him...

Really coach?
Is this something a coach should say? Flash pretty much has led this team alone for how many years, and this is the sort of comment that the coaching staff says to the public? He definitely would have faced some flames from the fans saying, "Why didn't you let Stats or Hoejja play!? It is not a T map!", so he took the final stage interview to BACK OFF from the blames?

I really feel for Flash. He just broke down when coach said that comment. I don't know what his contract is like right now, but I bet that he wouldn't want to play for that coach at this moment.


Edit:
Post interview by Coach Lee was better worded and done in a professional way.

From Daily eSports
KT 이지훈 감독은 "이영호가 2패를 당하기는 했지만 정규 시즌부터 최고의 플레이를 펼쳤던 것은 부인할 수 없다. 팀에서 에이스 결정전에 이영호를 출전시킬지 고민했지만 출전을 자청하는 등 멋진 모습을 보여준 이영호에게 고맙다고 전하고 싶다"고 말했다.


KT Coach Lee said, "Flash did get 2 losses, but there is no denying that he has played brilliantly since the season began. We were contemplating whether to send out Flash for the ACE match, and I want to thank Flash for stepping up to the role and playing a great game"

According to the post interview, what he said on stage was just really poorly worded. However, there would have been people bitching at the coach regardless of the decision he made.

If Flash sent out and lost -> "Why coach? it is a bad map for T and Flash already lost. Why not send out 1 of the zergs or Stats who is ahead of Bisu in PvP match up?"

Same goes for Stats and zerg players, why not send out Flash?

The comment he made and the situation is just too 'coincidental' to ignore.

p.s. No I don't think Flash should leave the team -_- but if I was Flash, I certainly would not feel like playing under someone who said that on the stage, regardless of what the context was.

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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
April 08 2012 19:35 GMT
#2
Doesn't seem like that bad of a comment to me. At least when translated in English it doesn't sound all that harsh. He's simply explaining why Flash was sent out for the ace match on a bad terran map instead of repeating their strategy from the semis vs Khan and sending out Stats. He said that KT supported him and they wouldn't hold a grudge. Unless there's something passive agressive in his tone I don't see why this statement upsets you.
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
April 08 2012 19:40 GMT
#3
It would have been better to back up Flash and not comment about the decision (coach take blame instead of Flash), poor Flash, but yea.. that type of comment breaks a player down easily as he will regret to have gone on ace. And that comment about the grudge... what type of coach would hold a grudge against his own player, kind of gives the feel that it is "Flash fault but we wont blame him." I think also Flash was too confident going to the Finals, thats why also he took it so hard.

I wasnt that confident in the ace match given his performance against Fantasy, but he played really really well against Bisu. Bisu took advantage of the map (pressure with 1 gate) so that Flash had to move away from his plan. I think Flash reincforced his push a bit too much, counter was really obvious, made me remember Fantasy vs Jangbi. When Bisu was about to lose his core, i think Flash should have thought that a zealot counter was coming and prepare with mines/tanks/walloff.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 19:43:17
April 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#4
hmm, not sure which part of that comment I should find inappropriate. In fact, It was encouraging that he complement Flash for stood up for himself and play on an imba map. He even stated that the whole team support flash and won't hold any grudge against him.
EDIT: except if there's something missing from the original statement
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Leftwing
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada229 Posts
April 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#5
Basically from what I gather the Coach was hinting that it was due to Flash's ego that they lost, and while he says they will not hold a grudge, the rest of that team will forever remember Flash losing that game. This is what pisses me off, when an amazing game is played and then at the end the losing side blames their own player instead of complimenting the other team.

Some people may say that they should have played Stats or someone else play, but when you have someone as amazing like Flash on your roster and you know he is capable of winning every game he plays, you shouldn't be reluctant to send out your best player and he shouldn't have to stand up himself, it's the coaches job to recognize who Flash is and to show support and confidence in his best player.

It was a great match and an even better finals, but I wish that I never read that interview, it just shows poor sportsmanship on that Coach's part.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
April 08 2012 19:43 GMT
#6
I'm agreeing with red4ce here, I fail to see valid reasons on why you should be angry. I mean, I can't see why Flash would cry over the coaches comment.
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Serotonin1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States225 Posts
April 08 2012 20:03 GMT
#7
What the hell are you talking about?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 08 2012 20:06 GMT
#8
It doesn't sound like he's blaming Flash at all. And I really doubt he would ever blame Flash. They are a close-knit team and Coach Lee has taken good care of Flash over the years. Flash's parents put a lot of trust in Coach Lee.
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 08 2012 20:06 GMT
#9
Just like Obelisco said, he said in the context of Flash said he will take full responsibility of ACE match regardless of the map imbalance, but we won't blame him. It was pretty much blaming Flash.

What can you guys NOT see from that interview. Head coach of a team does not blame a player. That was by no means a compliment to Flash playing in the ACE match.

It is possible that English translation may sound bit more appropriate. As someone who heard the interview (And people on Korean forums brought up this problem too), coach's comments are pretty unprofessional.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 08 2012 20:08 GMT
#10
I don't see ANYTHING bad about the coach's comments lol..
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
April 08 2012 20:09 GMT
#11
Unprofessional and perhaps poorly worded, but certainly ambiguous enough that I don't think you could claim that Hoon fully intended to blame Flash with that interview.
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 08 2012 20:13 GMT
#12
For people not understanding what the coach is saying, he basically said, Don't blame the coach for playing Flash in the final match that is Weak T map, because Flash himself wanted to play it. Very strategic comment to avoid the blame for the loss on coach's part. Very poorly worded and the tone too. He pretty much said all the responsibility is on Flash for losing, BUT he won't blame him... like wtf is that. In a professional team, head coach should take full responsibility of all the results. This is like putting the blame on his subordinate as a captain of the ship
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
April 08 2012 20:43 GMT
#13
The reason why this answer pissed off a lot of people is that the coach is very subtly hinting that because Flash told the coaches to play him, and because he lost, the blame can be placed on him rather than the coaches. Just think of how Flash feels without the comment in his position, and now add in the fact that the coach is practically telling people to blame Flash for the loss, makes this a pretty harsh thing to say.
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onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
April 08 2012 20:51 GMT
#14
first time i cried for the loser of the game even though i was rooting for the winner
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
April 08 2012 21:55 GMT
#15
I was watching it live this morning, and I heard KT' head coach Lee's comments loud and clear... well probably not that clear because I was furiously translating and typing it away on Sayle's chat. But from what I got, I instantly got a feeling that people could find it poorly worded / somewhat unprofessional. Knowing how supportive and encouraging coach Lee has been in his career, I believe that what he meant to convey was that KT really gave it their best as a team. If it was indeed coach's intent to let people know that Flash was the stubborn one who heavily insisted that he wanted to go for ace match, then yes I think he owes an apology to Flash and KT fans in general.
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 21:56:34
April 08 2012 21:55 GMT
#16
I think being able to understand Korean gives you a bit more of information on the tone of how he's saying things...
Essentially he just goes: I thought it was a bad idea to send Flash as the ace but he really wanted to do it and we gave him our unconditional support, and he lost.
This last bit is about as unprofessional as it can get 원망하거나 그런건 아니고...
He's essentially saying: "oh but don't blame flash for our loss"

It's salt in the wound if you're flash hearing this. You're already feeling responsible for the loss and then the person who is supposed to go:
"Yeah SKT played a very good match and their aces were prepared enough to take the ultimate weapon down. It's a sad day,but we'll be back in full force next season. After all 2 gold and 1 silver in 3 years isn't all that bad."
Idk if leaving the team is reasonable but this is certainly going to hurt the coach-player relationship.

@Opticalshot. I think he meant it to be that way because otherwise there was no reason to bring it up.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 08 2012 22:00 GMT
#17
In English the comments don't seem very unprofessional at all. Perhaps something is being lost in the cultural or linguistic translation?
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#18
Man...that sucks so much for flash T___T
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
April 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#19
I don't really know. I guess it was somewhat inconsiderate from the coach and I feel for Flash. Leaving the team would seem like an overreaction to me though. :T
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 08 2012 23:22 GMT
#20
WOAH

Woahh .......... Foreal????? KT Coach said that?
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