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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
April 08 2012 23:51 GMT
#21
Idk, as I don't understand Korean. But if the coach really blaming Flash for losing the ace match that was way over the line.
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sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
April 09 2012 01:09 GMT
#22
Not a good comment. I hope its just a case of the coach putting his foot in his mouth when on the spot. Surely everyone was emotional at the end of such an intense series. If he were to apologize I think it would be forgivable.
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
April 09 2012 01:14 GMT
#23
He was trying to stress that the team's ok with Flash dropping the ACE match.

What got stressed was him trying to push the ACE pick decision responsibility off his shoulder and onto Flash's.

Unfortunate but I think his intent was good.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
April 09 2012 01:15 GMT
#24
since when did we turn into the sc2 community where every little shit is made into a HUGE FCKING DEAL. There was nothing wrong with that comment at all. I bet even flash blames himself right now. And as ryo said, everyone on KT is really close like family, I dont see any hate coming from those comments. I mean, seriously, this blog is sc2 level.
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buldermar
Profile Joined March 2008
Denmark102 Posts
April 09 2012 02:24 GMT
#25
I think you're misinterpreting the message due to culture differences. This is the intended message as i perceive it:

1) I'm sad that our team lost
2) Map is imbalanced. We have faith in Flash, but would never force him to play that map. However, he wanted to, and we supported that decision. (I don't see how it can be perceived as "zomg it's a bad idea but we let him anyway")
3) He lost, but that changes nothing. We don't blame our players and that goes for everyone, God's included.

I don't get why you get the impression that there is any kind of grudge. He specifically states otherwise. What I see is an honest coach who states that he supported the decision of Flash player since Flash wanted to play.

Must be a culture thing as I see no blame in that message.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 09 2012 04:35 GMT
#26
Not be be a baddie, but link to video?
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
April 09 2012 09:05 GMT
#27
On April 09 2012 05:13 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
For people not understanding what the coach is saying, he basically said, Don't blame the coach for playing Flash in the final match that is Weak T map, because Flash himself wanted to play it. Very strategic comment to avoid the blame for the loss on coach's part. Very poorly worded and the tone too. He pretty much said all the responsibility is on Flash for losing, BUT he won't blame him... like wtf is that. In a professional team, head coach should take full responsibility of all the results. This is like putting the blame on his subordinate as a captain of the ship


This exactly.

I've always hated KT coach for being easily getting angry, but now it shows how unprofessional he is and how he blames his favorite player when situations get dire. Not only that, but he also says map is imba instead of saying SKT players played well. You don't see other team coaches complaining about how map is unbalanced or how T is rigged. I think this finals shows the true nature to him
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
April 09 2012 10:14 GMT
#28
It's definitely a culture thing.

In all three oriental cultures (China, Korea, and Japan in these regards) what the coach said was poorly worded and can absolutely be construed as a dick move.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6209 Posts
April 09 2012 11:07 GMT
#29
On April 09 2012 19:14 Newbistic wrote:
It's definitely a culture thing.

In all three oriental cultures (China, Korea, and Japan in these regards) what the coach said was poorly worded and can absolutely be construed as a dick move.


Definetly not a culture thing. A coach is always responsible for the loss and like the guy above us said he's basically putting the responsibility on Flash who has carried the team for years now.
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
April 09 2012 11:32 GMT
#30
he would probably take a pay cut, the other teams dont pay as well as the telecoms, so wise decision to stay there
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 12:51:52
April 09 2012 12:42 GMT
#31
On April 09 2012 05:06 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Just like Obelisco said, he said in the context of Flash said he will take full responsibility of ACE match regardless of the map imbalance, but we won't blame him. It was pretty much blaming Flash.

What can you guys NOT see from that interview. Head coach of a team does not blame a player. That was by no means a compliment to Flash playing in the ACE match.

It is possible that English translation may sound bit more appropriate. As someone who heard the interview (And people on Korean forums brought up this problem too), coach's comments are pretty unprofessional.


dude, really? i was there at the event (along with kona and a bunch of other TLers). it was OBVIOUS to us at the interview that coach was blaming the inherent imbalance of chain reaction for flash's loss. it was the very first thing he said (apart from congratulating the skt players). he was trying to cover for flash losing an ace match by blaming the map. in fact, he was actually trying to big up flash's willingness to try overcome such an imbalance in such an important situation. he wasn't putting any blame whatsoever from flash.

also, your translation misses the point that he was trying to get across, which was that flash was MANNING UP to take the ace no matter what the map was, and that they accepted his decision and prepared him in the best possible way, and even with flash's best efforts, the inherent shittiness of matchup could not be overcome.

edit2: sigh at all these comments taking OP's words at face value and then proceeding to bash the coach. really?

also, you don't understand korean culture here. in any sport, the coach NEVER EVER EVER blames a single individual for a loss IN PUBLIC. EVER.

On April 09 2012 08:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
WOAH

Woahh .......... Foreal????? KT Coach said that?


what did he say that made you go WOAH?
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 15:00:51
April 09 2012 14:21 GMT
#32
Sorry zeehar, but I am Korean (And I speak Korean 100% fluently and understand Korean culture 100%), and this is not just MY opinion, but I am reading the same thing from Korean portals, where they are blaming the coach for 'dissing' Flash.

All the Korean friends who has watched this final just like me thought the coach was a huge dick. This includes people I know in real life, as well as my clan mates, where many of them are Korean. You are absolutely wrong with the fact that he was backing up Flash for manning up? lol. It does not matter if you were there or not, in fact, watching the video is even more precise because I can rewind and listen to his tone and what he said over and over.

My translation makes it sound better than how it was. What he said in Korean was even worse. You don't say 원망하거나 그런건 아니구.. if you don't understand what he's trying to get across here at this point... I will have to take it that you don't understand Korean language very well. What's with telling a full Korean who's lived in Korea for a long time that he doesn't understand Korean culture..?

A proper statement from the coach would have been;

영호가 어려운 맵임에도 불구하고 열심히 싸워줬지만 경기를 져서 유감입니다.

Now, this would have had no problem and would have backed up Flash for playing his heart out on such an unbalanced map.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
April 09 2012 15:10 GMT
#33
Flash should leave KT? that's some Reddit Starcraft 2 level of sensationalism right there. Emotions were flaring, Flash and his coach are both intelligent people, they'll get over it
ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
April 09 2012 15:19 GMT
#34
I sure hope so. I just felt really angry for Flash. Especially because he started to cry uncontrollably at that moment. It's something that should never be said by a coach. I wish I had written the title as "Unprofessional comment by KT coach", I know I wrote it as extreme
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
April 09 2012 15:36 GMT
#35
Either way, it should leave a bad taste in the mouth of KT fans. If the coach hadn't said anything, he probably would have exploded in the next week over Twitter or something, and he would keep getting pretty vitriolic hate from those few fags on the interwebs due to the momentous occasion. But trying to clear it up also sort of fucked Flash over, since he was the defining factor - all the Zergs on the team supported him and gave him (seemingly) another chance and he lost it.

But I do agree that he should have emphasized the superior planning by SKT T1 rather than to have noted how 'we lost the Ace match b/c of Flash'.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 09 2012 15:58 GMT
#36
He had his player's back. I don't think that Flash would overreact and leave KT, not when he's the team's shining hope.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 09 2012 16:34 GMT
#37
Korean netizens making a big deal out of nothing. Where have I seen this before.
acrylicjoker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom74 Posts
April 09 2012 16:58 GMT
#38
I usually take everything Korean netizens say with a pinch of salt. They tend to be fond of their pitchforks and blow things out of proportion.
I feel that KT coach could've made a better choice with his words, like "뭐 원망하거나 그런건 아니고..." didn't sound that appropriate. However I don't believe that he was trying to make Flash the scapegoat of the finals.
I think he was trying to give alot of credit to flash for stepping up to the plate when they were contemplating whether to prepare him for the ace match or not.
Plus I think in a different interview afterwards he said eventhough flash lost twice, I can't fault him as he has been great since the start of the season. He also wanted to thank Flash for manning up and volunteering for the ace match.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 18:01:10
April 09 2012 17:55 GMT
#39
On April 09 2012 23:21 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Sorry zeehar, but I am Korean (And I speak Korean 100% fluently and understand Korean culture 100%), and this is not just MY opinion, but I am reading the same thing from Korean portals, where they are blaming the coach for 'dissing' Flash.

All the Korean friends who has watched this final just like me thought the coach was a huge dick. This includes people I know in real life, as well as my clan mates, where many of them are Korean. You are absolutely wrong with the fact that he was backing up Flash for manning up? lol. It does not matter if you were there or not, in fact, watching the video is even more precise because I can rewind and listen to his tone and what he said over and over.

My translation makes it sound better than how it was. What he said in Korean was even worse. You don't say 원망하거나 그런건 아니구.. if you don't understand what he's trying to get across here at this point... I will have to take it that you don't understand Korean language very well. What's with telling a full Korean who's lived in Korea for a long time that he doesn't understand Korean culture..?

A proper statement from the coach would have been;

영호가 어려운 맵임에도 불구하고 열심히 싸워줬지만 경기를 져서 유감입니다.

Now, this would have had no problem and would have backed up Flash for playing his heart out on such an unbalanced map.


yeah your version is much better, no doubt about it. but not everyone can say the perfect things to say at the right times. i certainly don't think flash would have construed it as the coach turning on him in any case. i definitely agree that the 원망 bit he could have left out as it was weird when i first heard it, because you can't really blame flash for either for the losses. unless of course you see that last push as a bad decision (think it was, but this is in hindsight of course, apparently not even bisu knew he had that many chargelots lying around).

also, just don't read too much into korean portal sites 댓글 even though i imagine they'd be your main source of news for all things korean... keyboard warriors love to spew their vitriol all over the place ~_~
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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
April 09 2012 18:39 GMT
#40
This is kinda off-topic-ish and biased, but to me, I feel like SK telecom is stacked like crazy. They have two S-class players bisu and fantasy(who were the only ones to take out flash both times)while KT only has 1 S-class player, flash. And since flash was 0-2 in the final, KT virtually had no "S-class" level player left except the zergs who performed well all throughout the playoffs but are usually inconsistent regular season. And I realize KT has stats who seemed unstoppable during regular season and is overall a solid toss but I wouldn't put him in the same category as bisu,fantasy,flash. And that's my point, sk telecom has 2 of these s-class players and they have best(who's been all the way to the OSL finals before but lost to julyzerg), and they have By.sun who(4-0'ed hwasung oz in the stx soul cup finals taking down s-class player jaedong and very good terran player hiya). Clearly these 4 starting lineups for sk telecom is incredibly unfair for any team and for KT to still make it to the finals every year is just astounding.

I mean just imagine having kobe bryant, michael jordan, lebron james, shaquille o neal in his prime, larry bird, magic johnson all in one fukin team. SK might as well sign jaedong and stork while they're at it. Flash does so much to keep this team together and it's not fair that all the pressure is only on him all the time. At least when fantasy loses, he still knows he has bisu or best or by.sun to pull him out. When flash loses, it's like a more severe blow..AND IM TIRED OF KEEPING THIS IN SO IM JUST GOING TO SAY IT. KT ONLY HAS FLASH PERIOD. I seroiusly dont know how action who is so inconsistent in regular season won every game in the playoffs but all he played were zvz's so who knows.
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
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