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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
April 09 2012 00:06 GMT
#61
On April 09 2012 01:41 storkfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 00:49 fire_brand wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


I'm as confused as you man.

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On April 08 2012 23:55 Mazer wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


That's pretty much it but I think Bisu's constant harass/manner pylon/gas steal really messed up Flash's head.

UNREAL FINISH THOUGH.

he didnt have vult upgrades. and his build was tailored around gas heavy 3 fact tank + mnm. going vults wouldve meant no minerals left for mnm and aggregate army size wouldve been smaller.

He was going MnM on two rax. He was only looking to deal some immediate damage, which he dearly needed to do. He should have transitioned out of that more cleanly.
Hello
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
April 09 2012 09:00 GMT
#62
On April 09 2012 07:45 Mazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 01:41 storkfan wrote:
On April 09 2012 00:49 fire_brand wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


I'm as confused as you man.

On April 08 2012 23:55 Mazer wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


That's pretty much it but I think Bisu's constant harass/manner pylon/gas steal really messed up Flash's head.

UNREAL FINISH THOUGH.

he didnt have vult upgrades. and his build was tailored around gas heavy 3 fact tank + mnm. going vults wouldve meant no minerals left for mnm and aggregate army size wouldve been smaller.


Taking my Reddit post to explain the reasoning:

Here's the VOD:

1) 12:30, we see 3 factories with machine shops. Blobs on the mini-map suggest he had the third factory up even sooner (sans shop)
2) 13:00, Flash starts the push to the back. Shuttle/reaver is revealed shortly after and making more MM would be a mistake.
3) By 15:00, the core is down. Obviously it will be rebuilt but one can assume Bisu would do at least one round of zealots since his income was still pretty high as he transferred his probes and couldn't do goons
4) 16:30, more tanks pushing to the back, core halfway built. Bisu starts a counter with ~10 zealots and keeps reinforcing to win it. Bunker, SCVs and 6 tanks don't hold. His tanks in the open get picked off by zealots too.

I'm not saying it would have been easy but somewhere in those 3 minutes or so, he should have made the adjustment. Maybe he felt he was all in with the push and just couldn't take the resources to research spider mines and complete a better wall at the front (could have moved his two raxes for this)... But ultimately that is how he lost.
ok wall yes that couldve made things better, but economically
he was all in. zerg style allin - all his income went to unit production and the routine of unit production had to be static to match his income mineral and gas spread. vults instead of tanks wouldve decreased aggregate number of units produced due to his gas heavy income spread.
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
April 09 2012 09:05 GMT
#63
On April 09 2012 18:00 storkfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 07:45 Mazer wrote:
On April 09 2012 01:41 storkfan wrote:
On April 09 2012 00:49 fire_brand wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


I'm as confused as you man.

On April 08 2012 23:55 Mazer wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


That's pretty much it but I think Bisu's constant harass/manner pylon/gas steal really messed up Flash's head.

UNREAL FINISH THOUGH.

he didnt have vult upgrades. and his build was tailored around gas heavy 3 fact tank + mnm. going vults wouldve meant no minerals left for mnm and aggregate army size wouldve been smaller.


Taking my Reddit post to explain the reasoning:

Here's the VOD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNrlTHtF0BY&feature=plcp&context=C46382a4VDvjVQa1PpcFNSdQHDiy3G5KcKkY6BhpuVxMcz80F9YE4=
1) 12:30, we see 3 factories with machine shops. Blobs on the mini-map suggest he had the third factory up even sooner (sans shop)
2) 13:00, Flash starts the push to the back. Shuttle/reaver is revealed shortly after and making more MM would be a mistake.
3) By 15:00, the core is down. Obviously it will be rebuilt but one can assume Bisu would do at least one round of zealots since his income was still pretty high as he transferred his probes and couldn't do goons
4) 16:30, more tanks pushing to the back, core halfway built. Bisu starts a counter with ~10 zealots and keeps reinforcing to win it. Bunker, SCVs and 6 tanks don't hold. His tanks in the open get picked off by zealots too.

I'm not saying it would have been easy but somewhere in those 3 minutes or so, he should have made the adjustment. Maybe he felt he was all in with the push and just couldn't take the resources to research spider mines and complete a better wall at the front (could have moved his two raxes for this)... But ultimately that is how he lost.
ok wall yes that couldve made things better, but economically
he was all in. zerg style allin - all his income went to unit production and the routine of unit production had to be static to match his income mineral and gas spread. vults instead of tanks wouldve decreased aggregate number of units produced due to his gas heavy income spread.

On April 09 2012 09:06 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 01:41 storkfan wrote:
On April 09 2012 00:49 fire_brand wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


I'm as confused as you man.

On April 08 2012 23:55 Mazer wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:49 nttea wrote:
Flash can't be too proud about that, killing cybernetics core but not switching to vultures to counter mass zealot? or did i miss something


That's pretty much it but I think Bisu's constant harass/manner pylon/gas steal really messed up Flash's head.

UNREAL FINISH THOUGH.

he didnt have vult upgrades. and his build was tailored around gas heavy 3 fact tank + mnm. going vults wouldve meant no minerals left for mnm and aggregate army size wouldve been smaller.

He was going MnM on two rax. He was only looking to deal some immediate damage, which he dearly needed to do. He should have transitioned out of that more cleanly.
economically, he wasnt looking to jus deal immediate damage. he stopped his scv production a long time before and could have only afforded to produce more scvs if he was to keep some of his production buildings idle. this is typical of a timing intend to finish the game, right then and there, not to transition out of. he would be far behind due to low scv count if he was to stop it.
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