EPThad a fight with my boss. - Page 2
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haduken
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docvoc
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 haduken wrote: Completely wrong advice lol... OP is not a blue collar brick layer, he is a young professional, there will always be a job out there waiting for him. OP, you need to plan your career and future, you can suck up and take shit when you are >35 but right now, tell that guy to go fuck him self then jump ship. Thanks, you seem to totally understand my situation. To those who say suck it up: I always used to suck it up, I can manage to ignore all screaming, rambling or insults as long as its bearable. But there are limits you know. Only problem I have now, is whether to leave or not. I'm not sure if I can find the right job quickly enough and support my family. Bit I think haduken is right. I should be more optimistic, and try to do my best. Instead of sitting and waiting. Not to brag, but I have good it/working skills. So I shouldn't worry about finding a job. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0IUU4.jpg) Immediately what I thought of upon reading the title of the thread. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
You are young, that alone means the ball is in your court. You can get fired, quit or whatever, you can end up in the deepest and most depression shit but guess what? you will survive and your family will too because at your age you can tough it out a few years, commitments are less . Hell, if you really really can't find another job, you can pick up something like cleaning toilet (not saying you will lol) and still survive because you have years to burn to get yourself back on your feet. Let's face it, company have no loyalty or stability these days, you can advance, climb and kiss ass and get your way to the top, then before you know it company go bust or make you redundant and if all you've learned is how to climb then you will have to climb again some where else and you will be fucked because you will compete against grads who are 10 years younger that can work faster, longer and cost 1/10th of your wage. This is why at this point in your life, the only reason you should stay at ANY company is for personal development either professional or managerial or whatever floats your boat. Your long term goal should be as good as you can be in your field and network like crazy so by the time you hit 35 or 40 you will be so fucking good that you are indispensable to who ever wants to hire you and can demand your own wages. Your boss contribute nothing towards your development, you can't learn managerial skills from this douche because he is fucking bad at being a manager, you can't learn skills in your own field because he always butts in and watches you and any achievement he will either claim as his own or sabotage and fuck you over so it doesn't make him look bad and if the company promotes fuck ups like him then there is nothing in it for you, don't waste your life there. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 30 2012 20:50 Count9 wrote: looooooooooooool That never works, ever. You just annoy the development team and or the slow it down massively if they actually have to make the person understand. It can actually be extremely important, depending on what's being done and how it's handled. The OP and further explanation are a bit too vague, but letting developers/engineers run free without involving the end user in the design process leads to a lot of overengineering, wasted time on unimportant features and bad useability. The administrator has a better understanding of what he has to do with the system, even if he doesn't understand how to use it yet, which is why his input is important. He doesn't need to be there through the entire process, because he's paid to do other stuff, but in a proper development model he should be involved or at least briefly consulted from the beginning. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 haduken wrote: OP is not a blue collar brick layer, he is a young professional, there will always be a job out there waiting for him. OP, you need to plan your career and future, you can suck up and take shit when you are >35 but right now, tell that guy to go fuck him self then jump ship. Actually, it's the people over 35 who can sometimes get away with pushing back on things. The young employees are usually instantly replaceable. To those who say suck it up: I always used to suck it up, I can manage to ignore all screaming, rambling or insults as long as its bearable. But there are limits you know. Sure, but your description of the problem above didn't mention screaming or insults. If you feel the situation is harmful to your well-being, then yes, you're totally in the right to get out. If you're just having a disagreement over how to do the work, then you should be sucking it up. Two totally different things. So I shouldn't worry about finding a job. It doesn't matter who you are or what you can do -- however long you think it will take you to get a new job, triple that. If you're going to leave, do the sensible thing and find a new job before you do so. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:51 bokeevboke wrote: I'll try to explain my situation in short. We have a contract with a company who are developing a system X for us. The system X connects to other bunch of systems of our company. Majority of the project is done, and we're going to finish the project soon. Problems: 1) The company we have contract with have only two qualified developers who are doing this project, and they're in tight schedule. Our system administrator has to take over the project after its done. but now, he doesn't have idea how it works. Boss wants him to work with system X in development phase, so that after the project finishes he had total understanding of everything. I tell my boss we shouldn't distract developers, or we gonna fail to deliver the project in time (which is very important since we're a government institution). Developers are totally against it, we already tried and its slowing down the project pretty badly. Besides, after project finishes, we have two weeks of training according to the contract. 2) two systems of our company have technical problems, they're not ready to connect to our system X. But they're already resolving the issues. I have general idea what the problems are and how/when they're going to be fixed. Boss wants me to be incontrol of these problems and every specific details. I have no idea how those systems work and don't have any skills to help them. I've already asked them if can I help, they told me I can't by any means. If I interfere I'll just slow them down. Boss keeps on harassing me about that system, although its perfectly clear I can't do anything about it. I would just tell him upfront that you need to make it clear to him that you aren't up to speed to handle this project. You have no problem managing it, but it needs to be your main focus for ___ weeks, and your other responsibilities will have to take a back seat. If that isn't acceptable to him, then tell him you will either need to hire a third party and you will manage them, or someone else inside the company will have to manage the project and you will support them in whatever they need. If he doesn't find any of those solutions acceptable then he's illogical and I'd start looking for another job. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:47 WhiteDog wrote: If you actually decide to be stubborn and rise against your boss, no matter what the reason, then it is something you can be proud about because you are putting your ethic as a professionnal and your own view before your own interests (which is being a sheep and saying yes to everything your boss say). And that sir is a thing you should be proud of. That doesn't make any sense. Working with other people requires communication and sometimes recognizing that everyone doesn't get to have their way on everything. Unless you can do whatever it is you do in your life entirely on your own, with nobody else's help or participation, being "stubborn" or "rising against" anything isn't going to get you anywhere you want to be. Or, it may be virtuous to be stubborn but only, ONLY if you're right, and it still might leave you out on the street in the end. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 haduken wrote: Completely wrong advice lol... OP is not a blue collar brick layer, he is a young professional, there will always be a job out there waiting for him. OP, you need to plan your career and future, you can suck up and take shit when you are >35 but right now, tell that guy to go fuck him self then jump ship. The guys still right though, you do what the boss tells you, that's why he's the boss. if yout hink he's doing something stupid or really wrong go to his boss, other wise shut the fuck up and do what he tells you | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On March 31 2012 00:35 Lysenko wrote: Actually, it's the people over 35 who can sometimes get away with pushing back on things. The young employees are usually instantly replaceable. You might be right, but again that's entirely dependant on the company culture. If your superior really want to fire your ass he will find a way don't matter what age you are. My point is that at >35 you have a lot more commitments, quitting will impact your life more than quitting at a younger age. When you are young, you have options, at 35 or 40, you will have loans to pay and kids to feed. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 haduken wrote: Completely wrong advice lol... OP is not a blue collar brick layer, he is a young professional, there will always be a job out there waiting for him. OP, you need to plan your career and future, you can suck up and take shit when you are >35 but right now, tell that guy to go fuck him self then jump ship. LOL bricklayer, ditchdigger, engineer or doctor this is not about qualifications, it's about being confident and assertive. Whether your job is "blue collar" or "white collar" it is still important to be confident. @op: Stand up for yourself, but be right. If you're wrong, be a man about it, pride isn't worth a good job (assuming it's a good job) | ||
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