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A summary of my "RSI" pain and recovery

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LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
March 27 2012 18:42 GMT
#1
I've noticed a large number of topics about RSI (Repetitive Stress Injury) / Carpal Tunnel / wrist pain / etc. I thought I'd share my story about my RSI diagnosis, how it changed my life, and my (not yet complete) recovery, in the hope that maybe others can identify and gain something from it.

Disclaimer: This was originally posted somewhere besides TL so a few sentences may seem out of place (obviously everyone here knows what Starcraft is for example). I apologize if the formatting gets screwed up from copying over; I'll try my best to correct it.

-A little bit about me:

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I'm a 27 year old graduate student, working on a PhD in applied math. I do both theoretical and computational (programming) research. I also teach/grade during the academic year. For awhile I didn't have too many hobbies outside of math. My main form of recreation for a good portion of my life was video games... until the pain put quite a damper on that. I also really enjoyed walking (walking 8 miles in a day was not uncommon for me, I loved walking everywhere) and a few other recreational activities, and they became significantly more difficult to do, much less enjoy, as my pain got worse. Once I attempted to cut these activities out completely, I quickly became depressed. I spent lots of time just sitting around doing nothing, feeling like my life was incredibly empty. I saw lots of doctors, physical therapy, etc. as I will describe shortly, none of which seemed to offer any real solutions. For most of my life, I considered myself a pretty happy person, so this was a drastic change for me.


-A history of my pain (this is long, feel free to skip if you only want the summary):

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It used to be that the pain was so small that it didn't bother me, and it would only occur after long mouse sessions, and would go away after a short time. I played a lot of a computer game called Starcraft, which demands a lot of both the keyboard and mouse. I also did a fair amount of typing, some for programming and some because I was addicted to e-mail, but this almost never caused my any problems; it seemed to be mainly the mouse, but I didn't make that connection at the time. Over time, it gradually got worse and stayed for longer periods of time, and I started feeling pain during other activities.


About 2 years ago I tried playing basketball for the first time in awhile and just catching/dribbling the ball hurt my right shoulder so much that I could barely play, and the pain remained for over a day. At this point I realized that there was likely a serious problem, (I had played 9 months earlier with zero problems) and I went in to see a doctor for the first time. The assessment was that it was my shoulder causing the problems, and they referred me to physical therapy, where I went for a few sessions.


At physical therapy they gave me a number of exercises to improve my posture (which was horrible) and a number of suggestions about computer ergonomics. It used to be that I would reach really far (and up, I had a high desk and a low chair) to use the mouse, and it seemed likely to me that was the cause of a lot of my problems.


A few weeks into this, I went to a beach and got dehydrated and had what the doctors think was a heat stroke. This got really severe and I could barely walk, I had to be hooked up to an IV, and my mother had to fly from her home in Louisiana to my NYC apartment to take care of me for two weeks. I was pretty much confined to a bed during this period with my mom taking care of me the entire time. As if by some miracle, my shoulder pain went away entirely. I attributed this to just needing a break from using the computer so much, and I didn't see any reason to continue physical therapy (which never really solved any of my pain issues, although my posture did dramatically improve as a result).


This was around July of 2010. I was actually brave enough to purchase a sequel to the game that I fell in love with in my youth (Starcraft II), but I wound up not playing it very much. I had oral qualifying exams in October, and at this point those became my number one priority.


I almost never used the computer during this time, and pretty much studied for my oral exams full time+. The pain on my right side didn't come back, but I did start to get pain on the left side of my back (where I had never had problems before).


Eventually my orals came and went, and my advisor gave me a 3 week break before I could start on a research project. During this time I started playing computer games again, and it didn't take long for my pain to come back on the right side (and vanish from the left). It was more severe in my wrist/fingers this time.


I went in to a doctor again and they again referred me to physical therapy, as well as suggesting I stop by a specialist in Sports Medicine. The specialist had me get x-rays, which showed minor inflammation in my wrist. He diagnosed it as RSI and gave me a wrist splint to wear while on the computer. Meanwhile, my advisor gave me a new project that had a large programming component. My pain started to get more severe and persist for even longer periods of time, keeping me up at night and still being present the next day.


I went to a family reunion for Thanksgiving and resolved that for that week I would not use a computer at all. After all, this seemed to fix the problem before! I also told my parents for the first time about my pain, which caused quite a bit of concern from them. My pain, however, got worse over the break, despite the lack of computer use, which was puzzling to me at the time. When I told my physical therapist about this she thought I must have been sleeping on an uncomfortable bed during this trip, which may have aggravated my shoulder... I accepted this explanation since my dad had also mentioned that his bed was uncomfortable (but honestly, I thought it was really comfy).


I also told a bunch of people in the math department during this time about my pain. I was curious since many of them were also on computers for a large part of the day (although perhaps not as long as me), and from what I could see many of them also had bad posture. Most of them did not have any pain, although one did report pain extremely similar to mine.


At some point (I forget when exactly) I told my advisor about this and she told me she used to have the exact same pain (!). She told me it eventually went away on its own and she never learned the real reason why, although she suspected it was for ergonomic reasons.


My condition continued to get worse. I was even getting pain just walking to/from school (only a 2 mile walk), which was a complete mystery to me. I came up with some of the most ridiculous explanations for it ("maybe it's the angle I have my hands in my pockets"). I occasionally tried playing games, but the pain would quickly become unbearable, killing any motivation that I might have had. I wore a wrist splint while playing which just made things more uncomfortable to me due to the restricted movement.


Over my winter break I went and saw a massage therapist, who told me that she had never seen someone who had a neck feel as tense as mine. She took out a lot of muscle knots in my back and I felt real relief for the first time in quite awhile... but the pain returned after a couple of days.


At one point I went on a vacation with some of my friends to my hometown. I decided to stay away from a computer for this week. However, I did a lot of driving (they had a lot of places they wanted to see and I had to drive quite a bit more than I had anticipated). After a couple of days I started feeling pain in my hands whenever I had them on the wheel for more than 10- 20 minutes.


I purchased a new chair, custom built to be ergonomically designed just for me. I spent over $1600 (!) on this chair... only for it not to help at all. I had all but lost hope. This was in March of 2011.


I later went and saw a back specialist who had/has an exceptional reputation. He had me get MRIs in my cervical spine and my right shoulder. The MRIs themselves, while supposed to be painless, were extremely taxing on me, presumably because I was nervous and tense the entire time. In the end, the only thing they showed was a tear in my right shoulder, but he told me that it was incredibly minor and wasn't in one of the places that I had identified as painful, and that it was extremely unlikely that it was the problem. Nevertheless, I started feeling pain there a few days later! He suggested that I quit physical therapy as soon as I felt comfortable doing so (I think he was skeptical that it was doing anything for me) and gave me a number of books that I could reference. At some point (I had met with him a few times) he identified the source of my pain as my neck. I started feeling pain there a month later or so.



-So in short...

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The summary of the above, and I guess my main point in writing all of that: I was in pain nearly *all the time* in *different places* and for seemingly different reasons, some of which were *simply unexplainable*. It didn't seem to matter what I did: I always thought about whether it was going to hurt me (and usually it did) and worried about it constantly. It literally consumed my entire thought process. It was very rare for something to cause me to not think about it at all. Still, some things didn't make sense. Why did it move around? Why would my right arm be in such pain one day and then the left part of my back the next?



-Recovery

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I looked up one of the books recommended to me on Amazon and began reading the reviews. I saw a couple of references to one of Sarno's books and ordered it as well as a few others. This was my first exposure to TMS, and it offered a radically different viewpoint than what I had been told thus far. At first, I dismissed it as ridiculous, but the more I thought about it, the more I said to myself, "This really does sound like me." For the first time I gave serious thought to the idea that maybe the pain wasn't caused by physical means after all.


I think the part that resonated the most was a part where I started thinking about if I would be "happy" if I had no pain at all. I had convinced myself during all of this that the *only* reason I was sad/depressed was because I was in pain all the time. I had the attitude that "If I had no pain then my life would be perfect." I started to ask myself if this was really true and I realized that the answer was no; there were a lot of things that I was unhappy about in my life.

For a few brief time periods, I actually did feel complete relief, even when doing things that I had previously identified as culprits, though it never stayed away forever. The pain still comes to this day (it's been 10 months since I decided that maybe there was something to this book), but it often feels more manageable, and I try to not let it deter me. I started playing video games again, started playing basketball again, and all in all tried to take my life back. My posture has gone back to being really crappy but I no longer think that's the cause of my pain in any case.

I've always been a bit of a perfectionist and I think that this has caught up to me. If I sit down and try to think about things where I either screwed up in the past or someone was critical of me I often find myself getting really angry; this is only something that happens when I'm by myself. I think this is more of a factor than the serious traumatic events that other TMS victims seem to have suffered from.


Interestingly enough, I've noticed a very high correlation of pain and stress/lack of sleep. If I try to relax when I know I have work I need to do, it kicks in. The fact that I recognize this doesn't seem to be of much help (yet) but it does keep me from panicking and has kept the pain from getting as bad as it used to.

Obviously I cannot make the claim that I've made a complete recovery (I very clearly haven't, so I don't think I should classify this as a success story), but I am definitely better than I was a year ago, and I've learned a lot about myself in the process.

When I first told some people about this theory last year -- and how there might be something to it -- the response I got was very mixed. Some people agreed there might be something to it, many adopted the "whatever works for you is what you should do" line of thinking, and others told me I was being completely irrational. I myself was not too confident about it either, and I think that came out in my explanations. As I became more confident, it showed, as more and more people gave their encouragement/support instead of just telling me that I'm crazy!

One nice thing about the world of today is how easy it is to acquire information, and I think that reading the success stories of others online went a long way.

I still remember the first one I read ( http://podolsky.everybody.org/rsi/ ) which I still think is a fantastic read for everyone. When I first read it I felt almost a sense of relief and understanding which was significant to beginning my recovery process.




-The take away

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As I noted above, I think the thing that helped the most was realizing that my life wouldn't magically be the best if my pain was taken away. The idea that this pain is being created to distract me from my life instead of being the result of anything physical I am doing seems very real.

Thanks for reading. I hope you got something out of it! I'd be happy to send book references to people; just ask.



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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 27 2012 19:18 GMT
#2
Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure if I missed it, but I had to google and search for what TMS was. Very interesting stuff.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
March 27 2012 19:32 GMT
#3
daboop . didn't know you suffered from any kind of rsi.
aka SethN
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
March 27 2012 20:19 GMT
#4
Christ, this sounds like me. I read through Sarno's explanation and few other articles on TMS and I can relate to just about everything it describes, and your situation in particular. I was just under the impression I was in really bad shape and spend way too much to time on the computer. I still believe this is mostly true, but it's good to know about this stuff if my other treatments don't work out.

Thanks for the information and good luck to you.
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LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
March 28 2012 19:52 GMT
#5
@mordek: That's true, I only hinted at the parts that were relevant to me -- partly because I was originally writing this for a TMS forum! In any case, it has a wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome (see the theory section). In a nutshell, the theory is that the mind causes pain to distract the person from various repressed feelings (Sarno focuses on repressed rage/anger in particular, though I have seen other people definite it much more broadly). This is in contrast to pain being some kind of physical abnormality.

@seth: I'm not convinced that I do! That was just the diagnosis that I got from multiple doctors. This alternate theory has given me far more relief than anything any of the doctors suggested (which provided next to no relief). In fact, I am not convinced that RSI is a real thing at all (I know that Sarno doesn't think so). Seeing the number of RSI topics I've seen on teamliquid in the past year, I thought I'd share my story in the hope that maybe someone else can also benefit as I have.

@fire_brand: How long have you been in pain? From what I understand, most real injuries will heal on their own in at most a month's time. If you're experiencing things like I did (such as pain mysteriously moving to different areas), it may be worthy of consideration. Feel free to PM me anytime!
Think fast. Click faster.
bboyjkang
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada5 Posts
April 15 2012 02:17 GMT
#6
Hey LordOfDabu. I just posted something in reply to Klazart, an old caster suffering from RSI. I'll repost it here.

Thanks for the memories Klazart. I was part of the Authonomy army.

By the way, RSI is an umbrella term for any strain due to repetition. Perhaps you have tendinosis, like me. South Park got it wrong in that WoW episode. Carpal tunnel = numbness and tingling due to a pinched nerve. Cartman receiving Bengay is indicative of inflammation of the tendons, and not carpal tunnel tingling.

"A predominance of pain rather than numbness is unlikely to be caused by carpal tunnel syndrome no matter what the result of electrophysiological testing."

CARPEL TUNNEL SYNDROME : A REVIEW Gadhave S. V.1*, Moon R.S., Kshirsagar R.V. 1Department of pharmaceutics, School of Pharmacy, SRTM University Nanded-431606, Maharashtra.

http://www.ijprd.com/CARPEL TUNNEL SYNDROME _ A REVIEW.pdf

“When pain is the primary symptom, carpal tunnel syndrome is unlikely to be the source of the symptoms.”

The Value Added by Electrodiagnostic Testing in the Diagnosis of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19047703

There's even a book called "It's Not Carpal Tunnel Syndrome!: RSI Theory and Therapy for Computer Professionals"
http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999

Tendinitis is the initial inflammation of the tendons, and tendinosis is the failed healing, and structural change of the tendons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinosis

Here are 2 open-access articles on tendinosis.

Deciphering the pathogenesis of tendinopathy: a three-stages process

http://www.smarttjournal.com/content/2/1/30

Pathogenesis of tendinopathies: inflammation or degeneration?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2714139/?tool=pubmed

Race horses are susceptible to tendinitis and tendinosis, as they’re massive creatures on twig-like legs, being pushed hard. They can’t race anymore if they’re tendinosis is bad, just like you can’t game anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowed_tendon

Race horses are worth a lot, so stem cell treatments have been developed to save them.

Open-access article on stem cell therapy and tissue engineering in equine medicine :

Current and future regenerative medicine — Principles, concepts, and therapeutic use of stem cell therapy and tissue engineering in equine medicine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2629419/

They’ve worked well on horses, and I believe human trials begin this year. They’re testing it on Achilles tendinosis, I believe:

UK Stem Cell Company Cures Race Horse Tendons, Humans Next
http://singularityhub.com/2011/03/10/uk-stem-cell-company-cures-race-horse-tendons-humans-next/

Stem-Cell Therapy Works Wonders for Race Horses; Are Human Treatments Next?
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-05/stem-cell-therapy-humans-horse-tested-vet-approved

I wish we could petition them to get on the hand and arm area tendons quickly though. I can barely do anything with my hands =(.

This could be a future support group:,
http://www.reddit.com/r/RSI/
But it’s new, and has no regulars like an established support group like Sorehand, but Sorehand uses a mailing list format.

Good luck, and check out Autohotkey for scripting, and Vocola for voice scripting to save your hands. I’ll make a tutorial when I can.

I hope those researchers are successful.


bboyjkang
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 03:17:45
April 15 2012 02:30 GMT
#7
Sorry LordOfDabu, but I have to conserve my keyboard presses right now.
spent presses on above post
excuse grammar for below

2007
Bad back = needed a stiff chair = couldn’t adjust height. Regular desk with no keyboard tray = keyboard was relatively higher. Never had a problem with gaming my entire life, but I never knew that excessive wrist flexion could accelerate the appearance of the problem.

"most real injuries will heal on their own in at most a month's time"
tendinitis, not tendinosis
tendinosis = failed healing = good-bye prize-winning race horse worth more than my house

"Interestingly enough, I've noticed a very high correlation of pain and stress"
"mind causes pain"
once i found out last year that my tendinosis would stop me from working full-time in life, dropped from university, and got so weak from stress that i could barely cut an egg
found out that anxiety causes muscle tension
got tendinitis again, just like in 2007, due to stress and overdoing excercises
this stacks on top of permanent tendinosis of 2008 due to not letting myself heal from initial tendinitis of 2007

"If you're experiencing things like I did (such as pain mysteriously moving to different areas)"
yep. got that. noticeable in my elbow.
not sure if i have Lateral epicondylitis, also known as tennis elbow, or Golfer's elbow, or medial epicondylitis, an inflammatory condition of the medial epicondyle of the elbow.
tendinosis pain in elbow tendons somewhat changes location for me

gamer's thumb = De Quervain's tenosynovitis
got that too in thumb tendons

basketball players get jumper's knee, known as patellar tendinitis, from excessive, repetitive jumping
runners get achilles tendinitis from repetition + bad ergonomics (got mine from flat feet and overpronation)

it's all about the overuse of tendons, not carpal tunnel

chronic tendinitis = tendinosis

Time to abandon the “tendinitis” myth
Painful, overuse tendon conditions have a non-inflammatory pathology
http://www.bmj.com/content/324/7338/626.full

ok ow gotta stop.. way past daily allocation
might be back to talk once I learn windows speech/voice recognition
pm me some day
can't respond now for months
need tendinitis to go away

good luck


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