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On March 19 2012 16:17 Golgotha wrote:What I am discussing is the fact that the OP is crying over himself about the shit situation he is in. Which seems hypocritical at best since he cheated with the girl when she was engaged....please if you really do work as a relationship counselor, you of all people should know what an engagement means. A boy was about to marry a girl and spend the rest of his days with her...but then to have it all come crashing down cuz she cheated on him, by fucking another guy.
Dude, there are ways you can end relationships, but to simply justify cheating because you are not attracted to the other person anymore is bullshit. Have the decency to call off the relationship before you fuck someone else...MORE so when you are in a damn engagement.
The OP might be having a hard time...but I assure you that boy who was engaged went through a lot worse.
Considering that things are rarely ever this simple I suppose that I should offer up this piece of information.
There was 0 chance of her marrying the guy before we were involved. Literally 0% as of when we got 'ridiculous' as we both came to call it. We have gone over this a vast number of times, and I for the longest time I had that in the back of my head, but I assure you, my involvement had no effect on her life with her ex-fiancee.
Granted, no excuse for the cheating, as that was wrong, but there is a whole lot more to that than what I've put here. There are reasons for that. And while relevant to the overall feeling that there is now is the least important thing when considered.
I think though that people have the wrong idea, which I understand. I'm scared. I'm scared to death of the fact that I now don't know where I can stand. This is a person who really cared. Is still to this day one of three or four people I have ever let in. Helped me through some of the worst depression of my life.
And writing that really just made me realize how stupid I was....
*sigh* yeah... this isn't going to be easy, but the important things in life rarely are right?
Final note: Her ex-fiancee in her words "was the worst thing that I have ever done for myself." Really no need to explain, but to satisfy the 'white knights' here about this particular topic, it was a relationship that was rushed into, rushed through and in the end of it she felt more like a status symbol than a fiancee. That was why they broke up, not because I did anything other than be there as a friend like she had done not even two months prior when my home life blew up on me.
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On March 19 2012 16:45 leloup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:17 Golgotha wrote:What I am discussing is the fact that the OP is crying over himself about the shit situation he is in. Which seems hypocritical at best since he cheated with the girl when she was engaged....please if you really do work as a relationship counselor, you of all people should know what an engagement means. A boy was about to marry a girl and spend the rest of his days with her...but then to have it all come crashing down cuz she cheated on him, by fucking another guy.
Dude, there are ways you can end relationships, but to simply justify cheating because you are not attracted to the other person anymore is bullshit. Have the decency to call off the relationship before you fuck someone else...MORE so when you are in a damn engagement.
The OP might be having a hard time...but I assure you that boy who was engaged went through a lot worse. Considering that things are rarely ever this simple I suppose that I should offer up this piece of information. There was 0 chance of her marrying the guy before we were involved. Literally 0% as of when we got 'ridiculous' as we both came to call it. We have gone over this a vast number of times, and I for the longest time I had that in the back of my head, but I assure you, my involvement had no effect on her life with her ex-fiancee. Granted, no excuse for the cheating, as that was wrong, but there is a whole lot more to that than what I've put here. There are reasons for that. And while relevant to the overall feeling that there is now is the least important thing when considered. I think though that people have the wrong idea, which I understand. I'm scared. I'm scared to death of the fact that I now don't know where I can stand. This is a person who really cared. Is still to this day one of three or four people I have ever let in. Helped me through some of the worst depression of my life. And writing that really just made me realize how stupid I was.... *sigh* yeah... this isn't going to be easy, but the important things in life rarely are right? Final note: Her ex-fiancee in her words "was the worst thing that I have ever done for myself." Really no need to explain, but to satisfy the 'white knights' here about this particular topic, it was a relationship that was rushed into, rushed through and in the end of it she felt more like a status symbol than a fiancee. That was why they broke up, not because I did anything other than be there as a friend like she had done not even two months prior when my home life blew up on me.
Don't really know why you wrote this. You say you know that what you did was wrong and all that jazz, so this post is effectively superfluous. Adding new information does not excuse the cheating, you're even saying this yourself. Take it for what it is, an experience, and learn from it.
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On March 19 2012 16:17 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 15:55 ludic123 wrote:On March 19 2012 15:34 r.Evo wrote:On March 19 2012 15:30 Golgotha wrote:On March 19 2012 14:37 Tipany wrote:On March 19 2012 14:06 leloup wrote: She cheated on a boyfriend and a fiancee with me. We dumped 85% of all our mutual friends because of how judgemental they were getting. Sorry, but what the fuck? I'm really not sure why this has been ignored but this automatically puts me off. You're willing to be with a cheater? I don't understand this kind of mentality at all. No doubt, I would be in that 85%. this. do you understand that cheating on a boyfriend is very shitty thing to do? but she took it further and she cheated on a fiancee...A person she was engaged to...to get married for a monogamous relationship for the rest of their life. a promise that is just a step below being married and saying your vows. and you wonder why the relationship is fucked up? I dont get it, because instead of feeling sorry for yourself, you should wonder about what hell you and her put the other boys through. Bullshit. Everyone cheats if better options present themselves. It's just worse if it gets out for a girl because of social conditioning. On topic: During what I can tell from your rant you made one major mistake. You made it clear to her that you hate her new bf. That is what made him more attractive than you. Plain and simple. Embrace your competition. Belittle them. Talk about how nice they are. Be best buddies with him. That is what puts you over him and makes you attractive for the girl. Edit: Wow, after reading some of the other responses in here. Stop trying to white-knight against him/her cheating. How is going into bed with another person something bad when your current relationship already sucks? Most people who cheat on their bf/gf are very well aware of that but just need the conformation in form of feeling attracted to someone else. Does it suck for the dude/girl left behind? Yeah, sure. Did they have it coming? In most cases, yes. If a relationship is already unstable "cheating" is nothing else than saying "I wanna fuck other people, let's break up", it's just the less open way. Why do I think it is acceptable? Because in those cases honesty has been down the drain for way longer than this incident. I'm not against this way of thinking, mostly. What I do have a problem with however, is the cheating itself. If ure gonna go fuck someone else, end your current relationship. How hard can it be? Absolutely agree. This is also the point I'm trying to make, it is completely fine to be pissed about being lied to and being pissed about someone else being dishonest to you. Cheating itself however is (most of the time) the result of an already badly going relationship. What this means, that there are (in most cases) two people involved. Basically cheating is both persons "fault", being dishonest about it is the issue of only one person. The entire process is however not as clear-cut (especially not for women who approach this less-logically than a man would most of the time), that's why I believe that a lot of the time the dishonesty wasn't even intentional at first. To really call someone out for that would equal assuming that the person knows all the details as to how relationships and, to a bigger extent, attraction works. To go closer to the situation in the OP, men who aren't aware of this stuff tend to alienate possible competition while women tend to not understand WHY they suddenly are more attracted to the competition. They just are. The result is a situation where the man believes he did everything he could (when in fact he should have done the opposite) and the woman, while feeling guilty, staying close to what her feelings tell her without being able to rationalize them (which is what the man desperately would want to hear). @Golgatha: You're right. Sorry for jumping into this thread with an exaggeration into the other direction, was kinda likely that I offend someone with that. The reason I did it was to draw the attention of the OP (who was already busy victimizing himself further with the whole "I deserved it"-speech) away from the topic of cheating. If you take that part out of the equation (which, as you said, is hypocritical anyway) you're suddenly in a spot where most of the victim-crap goes down the gutter. Basically you're left with the actual actions between the involved parties. Telling the OP what a horrible thing he did to the other guy would just mean you're solidifying the "Yes, I know I'm a bad person and I deserved what happened!" which goes back to the whole victim role - as long as a person is in that spot it's impossible to talk about actions instead of feelings. PS: I usually wouldn't talk about this without suger-coating it a little bit, but maybe the reasoning process here is fun for someone to read. =P PPS: Actually it's a mix between "victim" and "martyr".
You say the dishonesty might not be intentional. Could you provide an example where it isn't? Cause I mostly agree with your thought process, but am having a hard time picturing this one scenario.
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fuck it, you are doing the right thing. get her OUT of your life, it's clear she can't choose and it's fucking you over. the pain will be immense, unbearable at times but getting over it is better than letting it linger forever and it sounds to me like you can never just be friends. also building a relationship based on cheating is never a good thing, I mean daaaamn she cheated on her fiance? that's a pretty big deal and around here you get your ass beat if you do that.
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Maybe I didn't see it, but there's one thing I don't understand and am curious about:
If you both are in something akin to a relationship for way more than a year, why did it never become a monogamous, official one? I just don't get the point of spending 5 days a week together, involving her cheating on her guys and then getting a new boyfriend even though you are still together in some way.
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Sorry buddy, sure sounds like she used you in a pretty harsh way and dumped you when she found someone else. Just curious, how far were you two into doing 'relationship' stuff before she went off and found a boyfriend?
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On March 19 2012 14:06 leloup wrote: I told her, that if she went back to him, that I would no longer be in her life.
And I hate myself for it.
Of course you hate yourself for it NOW, 6 months from now I guarantee it will be the best thing you could have done. You don't need to be hung up on some girl that won't give you her whole heart.
Now, stay true to your word and cut her out until you're over her.
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You said it: you knew it all along. Should have been quite obvious that it'd eventually end. Hope you enjoyed life while she was with you, but she's gone for good and you'll have to adapt to the present and the future. For the future, when you date a cheater, you should expect exactly the same. Don't jump in unless you understand the extents of the "relationship".
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On March 19 2012 18:10 missefficiency wrote: Maybe I didn't see it, but there's one thing I don't understand and am curious about:
If you both are in something akin to a relationship for way more than a year, why did it never become a monogamous, official one? I just don't get the point of spending 5 days a week together, involving her cheating on her guys and then getting a new boyfriend even though you are still together in some way. Sounds like she wanted to be able to bang other guys free of commitment.
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I was in something of a similar spot as you. I did terrible things only to satisfy myself and I justified it with my happiness. You have to cut all ties with this woman. Start anew, because that's going to save you. Trust me you aren't the worst person out there, it got so bad at one point I was pretending to be a woman to be around her. Its going to be hard, its going to hurt, but if you don't stop this merry-go-round of depression you're going to do something stupid. Walk away now, throw everything that reminds you of her out and move on.
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