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all of these words typed out in korean, I can't understand it. Why not put a translation in quotes or at the very least tell us how to say it phonetically. thanks for teaching me all these words that I can't possibly understand or even say, why even share the words if no one can understand?
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On March 19 2012 17:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Great read rotinegg! I can't wait to live in Korea, I love Korean culture... People should keep in mind that while this presents the general outlook, it's not a black and white issue. As always, there's a clear gradient. Most people will be trying to look/dress a certain way. But there's a lot of ground in between 100% effort (surgery, makeup, clothes, accessories, etc) and 1% effort (you manage to put on clothing in the morning). From my experience, most people you interact with on a daily basis (completely based on what you do day to day) are like 50%-60% effort. Stuff like this Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 15:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Dude, are you trying to make me think shitty of Korea or something? I hate to admit it, but you did a good job :/. Btw, this is a guy who up to this point loved Korea. Biggest disappointment though was that everyone in SNSD got plastic surgery. Seriously, they look pretty much indiscernible from how they used to. Surgery makes some real miracles, I'll say that. And people like bashing we Americans for being messed up? IMHO, the Koreans really, really got us beat in that regard. These things described in the OP are just astonishing, ridiculous beyond measure, if not absurd to the point of hilarity. Damn, now I feel like I've been taking things for granted living here in the US. Purposely acting like a 'foreigner' is a surefire way to get your ass beat due to the predominant anti-American sentiments And this is the icing on the cake. They hate the country that is the reason they aren't under Communist rule and the reason why they aren't in the 3rd world. Please tell me you are joking me. Oh, and let's not forget about the part about being hardcore xenophobes... IDK rotinegg, but you really spilled the beans on a lot of things about Korea I've heard all about but was hoping wasn't true as the norm. Wow. I used to have a huge bias in favor of Koreans. Even dated a couple. I just don't know anymore. Like someone else said, I'm glad I don't live in Korea. Maybe I should be more thankful I live in the USA. The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this is one fucking great country.  Is a heck of a lot more messed up than any culture I've seen. So incredibly clear-cut blanket assumptions based on the little bit of information he just learned. It would be like if I assumed this was the way all Americans were: makes ridiculous conclusions over very little information, insufferably arrogant and patriotic, insults anything foreign or strange, and has no concept of points of view or opinions. EDIT: I hit post instead of preview -.-;;
You should read people's posts, in particular my reply to OneOther's reply to me, before making comments under a single assumption that is just wrong, that this is the first time I've heard about it (not to mention other absurd assumptions about me that you made in this post). It isn't something I'm new to based on this "little bit of information I just learned". No, I didn't just learn it. This is stuff I've learned about and followed and have been told over and over for the past 5 years. With that assumption out of the way, your reply to me just doesn't have a basis to it, along with the other assumptions in the post, that by virtue of stemming from it, are just as unfounded and ridiculous, unfortunately. The insulting assumptions regarding me in the part following the colon were rather humorous, I'll give you that. Come on man, chill out a bit. No need to slander people.
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I have a question.. what do Koreans think/feel about Latin people??, like myself, im Colombian.. i was wondering couse i was planning to go to korea but after reading this i got this question on my head if i was going to be discriminated or something like that.
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On March 19 2012 17:14 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Great read rotinegg! I can't wait to live in Korea, I love Korean culture... People should keep in mind that while this presents the general outlook, it's not a black and white issue. As always, there's a clear gradient. Most people will be trying to look/dress a certain way. But there's a lot of ground in between 100% effort (surgery, makeup, clothes, accessories, etc) and 1% effort (you manage to put on clothing in the morning). From my experience, most people you interact with on a daily basis (completely based on what you do day to day) are like 50%-60% effort. Stuff like this On March 19 2012 15:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Dude, are you trying to make me think shitty of Korea or something? I hate to admit it, but you did a good job :/. Btw, this is a guy who up to this point loved Korea. Biggest disappointment though was that everyone in SNSD got plastic surgery. Seriously, they look pretty much indiscernible from how they used to. Surgery makes some real miracles, I'll say that. And people like bashing we Americans for being messed up? IMHO, the Koreans really, really got us beat in that regard. These things described in the OP are just astonishing, ridiculous beyond measure, if not absurd to the point of hilarity. Damn, now I feel like I've been taking things for granted living here in the US. Purposely acting like a 'foreigner' is a surefire way to get your ass beat due to the predominant anti-American sentiments And this is the icing on the cake. They hate the country that is the reason they aren't under Communist rule and the reason why they aren't in the 3rd world. Please tell me you are joking me. Oh, and let's not forget about the part about being hardcore xenophobes... IDK rotinegg, but you really spilled the beans on a lot of things about Korea I've heard all about but was hoping wasn't true as the norm. Wow. I used to have a huge bias in favor of Koreans. Even dated a couple. I just don't know anymore. Like someone else said, I'm glad I don't live in Korea. Maybe I should be more thankful I live in the USA. The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this is one fucking great country. Is a heck of a lot more messed up than any culture I've seen. So incredibly clear-cut blanket assumptions based on the little bit of information he just learned. It would be like if I assumed this was the way all Americans were: makes ridiculous conclusions over very little information, insufferably arrogant and patriotic, insults anything foreign or strange, and has no concept of points of view or opinions. EDIT: I hit post instead of preview -.-;; You should read people's posts, in particular my reply to OneOther's reply to me, before making comments under a single assumption that is just wrong, that this is the first time I've heard about it (not to mention other absurd assumptions about me that you made in this post). It isn't something I'm new to based on this "little bit of information I just learned". No, I didn't just learn it. This is stuff I've learned about and followed and have been told over and over for the past 5 years. With that assumption out of the way, your reply to me just doesn't have a basis to it, along with the other assumptions in the post that stem from it, but are nonetheless just as unfounded.
Yea I was editing my post to take your new posts into consideration but since you already replied, I guess I'll just make a new post. (You guys all post so fast -.-;; )
I see it's not just off this blog post. But my point still stands, you haven't even been to Korea (I assume?) and yet write off the culture as being ridiculous beyond measure, if not absurd to the point of hilarity. The way I see it, I much prefer living in Korea. A society that puts emphasis on being the best you can be, including physical appearance. I'm so tired of walking outside seeing kids just bumming around in outfits they clearly took 0 effort in putting together.
First impressions are SO important in life and yet there's such a big stigma for being shallow. I'm not being shallow; everyone agrees that you need to dress/look really well for a job interview. So why not for your friends or soon-to-be friends? Are they not worth it for you? Your future spouse, your parents, your kids? People seem to take pride in dressing down, especially in college. Kids in my lectures who show up with a nice blazer or cardigan are always made fun of. "lol I bet he's gay, what a fag". Even if you don't agree with their sense of fashion, the only reason they went through the trouble of wearing/buying that outfit was to try and show what they think is their best side. I feel like that's something very respectable and yet apparently it's so uncool.
I'm not saying we should all walk around in suits everyday, I know I have a lot of days where I look pretty awful. Korea is just the other end of the spectrum. I for one would really be motivated in Korea to try and look as presentable as I could on a day-to-day basis. You and I obviously have differing ideas on what we want but just because it's different, to write it off as "shitty" is ridiculous. "wow that's different" or "I never imagined a culture like that before" or "I could never see myself fitting in with that culture" are all very reasonable reactions. Insulting something different and ending your post with some ridiculous patriotic statement is not. Seriously, the fuck is this?The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this is one fucking great country.
EDIT: My point is that I prefer to live in Korea, you prefer to live in the US. Hell, the US is so big, I loved the East coast but can't stand west coast and midwest is meh. Maybe I'd love to live wherever you live. But there is really no reason here for calling any country shitty
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On March 19 2012 17:23 Vario wrote:
I have a question.. what do Koreans think/feel about Latin people??, like myself, im Colombian.. i was wondering couse i was planning to go to korea but after reading this i got this question on my head if i was going to be discriminated or something like that.
I noted this earlier in the thread, but you don't have much to worry about.
Foreigners are usually met with great warmth, especially if the foreigner makes a visible effort to learn korean and korean culture. Of course, you might get double-takes and extra curiosity/attention, but that's probably just because people don't see Colombians everyday!
That being said, it would be naive to deny that a Caucasian with blue eyes might be met with more admiration/wonderment by some people (especially females), but I definitely would not expect any flagrant negative discrimination against dark-skinned foreigners -- and even if you do, that discriminatory person will be condemned by the general public if someone takes a video of it and it goes viral.
Just make an effort to visibly appreciate and learn korean culture and you should be fine!
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On March 19 2012 17:30 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:14 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Great read rotinegg! I can't wait to live in Korea, I love Korean culture... People should keep in mind that while this presents the general outlook, it's not a black and white issue. As always, there's a clear gradient. Most people will be trying to look/dress a certain way. But there's a lot of ground in between 100% effort (surgery, makeup, clothes, accessories, etc) and 1% effort (you manage to put on clothing in the morning). From my experience, most people you interact with on a daily basis (completely based on what you do day to day) are like 50%-60% effort. Stuff like this On March 19 2012 15:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Dude, are you trying to make me think shitty of Korea or something? I hate to admit it, but you did a good job :/. Btw, this is a guy who up to this point loved Korea. Biggest disappointment though was that everyone in SNSD got plastic surgery. Seriously, they look pretty much indiscernible from how they used to. Surgery makes some real miracles, I'll say that. And people like bashing we Americans for being messed up? IMHO, the Koreans really, really got us beat in that regard. These things described in the OP are just astonishing, ridiculous beyond measure, if not absurd to the point of hilarity. Damn, now I feel like I've been taking things for granted living here in the US. Purposely acting like a 'foreigner' is a surefire way to get your ass beat due to the predominant anti-American sentiments And this is the icing on the cake. They hate the country that is the reason they aren't under Communist rule and the reason why they aren't in the 3rd world. Please tell me you are joking me. Oh, and let's not forget about the part about being hardcore xenophobes... IDK rotinegg, but you really spilled the beans on a lot of things about Korea I've heard all about but was hoping wasn't true as the norm. Wow. I used to have a huge bias in favor of Koreans. Even dated a couple. I just don't know anymore. Like someone else said, I'm glad I don't live in Korea. Maybe I should be more thankful I live in the USA. The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this is one fucking great country. Is a heck of a lot more messed up than any culture I've seen. So incredibly clear-cut blanket assumptions based on the little bit of information he just learned. It would be like if I assumed this was the way all Americans were: makes ridiculous conclusions over very little information, insufferably arrogant and patriotic, insults anything foreign or strange, and has no concept of points of view or opinions. EDIT: I hit post instead of preview -.-;; You should read people's posts, in particular my reply to OneOther's reply to me, before making comments under a single assumption that is just wrong, that this is the first time I've heard about it (not to mention other absurd assumptions about me that you made in this post). It isn't something I'm new to based on this "little bit of information I just learned". No, I didn't just learn it. This is stuff I've learned about and followed and have been told over and over for the past 5 years. With that assumption out of the way, your reply to me just doesn't have a basis to it, along with the other assumptions in the post that stem from it, but are nonetheless just as unfounded. Yea I was editing my post to take your new posts into consideration but since you already replied, I guess I'll just make a new post. (You guys all post so fast -.-;  I see it's not just off this blog post. But my point still stands, you haven't even been to Korea (I assume?) and yet write off the culture as being The way I see it, I much prefer living in Korea. A society that puts emphasis on being the best you can be, including physical appearance. I'm so tired of walking outside seeing kids just bumming around in outfits they clearly took 0 effort in putting together. First impressions are SO important in life and yet there's such a big stigma for being shallow. I'm not being shallow; everyone agrees that you need to dress/look really well for a job interview. So why not for your friends or soon-to-be friends? Are they not worth it for you? Your future spouse, your parents, your kids? People seem to take pride in dressing down, especially in college. Kids in my lectures who show up with a nice blazer or cardigan are always made fun of. "lol I bet he's gay, what a fag". Even if you don't agree with their sense of fashion, the only reason they went through the trouble of wearing/buying that outfit was to try and show what they think is their best side. I feel like that's something very respectable and yet apparently it's so uncool. I'm not saying we should all walk around in suits everyday, I know I have a lot of days where I look pretty awful. Korea is just the other end of the spectrum. I for one would really be motivated in Korea to try and look as presentable as I could on a day-to-day basis. You and I obviously have differing ideas on what we want but just because it's different, to write it off as "shitty" is ridiculous.
If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest  . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks.
I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha.
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"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US.
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Uh, you know, there are very few areas of the US where anything you talk about there is actually relevant scarecrow.
But this thread is rapidly getting off topic.
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One thing I noticed while I was in Korea was that everyone (well, maybe 90% of people) was pretty damn stylish ie. just looking at people on the subway. I'm not Korean or anything (still Asian though) but even I found myself just taking a bit of extra effort in my appearance - bit more time fixing my hair, shaving that tiny bit of stubble etc before I set out for work.
Having said that, I never noticed any discrimination towards me.. and neither did my (white) friend who I stayed with. But I don't think anyone should be worried about their appearance negatively affecting their time in Korea, if they were to spend a week or two there.
On March 19 2012 16:38 phame21 wrote:
BTW is it really that cold in Korea? those padded jumpers look like what Everest climbers would wear.
I was there throughout all of February this year, and it got to around -10ºC regularly. That's the coldest I've ever experienced anywhere, but I'm sure it gets colder in other parts of the world. My tip: scarf/gloves/earmuffs more important than a thick jacket!
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On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US.
I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid.
Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else.
And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide (South Korea is a pretty stressful and depressed place), eventually having a nice home (still a student) rather than a tiny flat I can hardly even afford even with a good-paying professional job, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not constantly fearing being in a devastating war, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite? Yeah, makes me wonder why my parents' families immigrated to the US, and not to Korea or Australia x).
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On March 19 2012 16:35 iMYoonA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 15:56 duk3 wrote:
I wonder how iNcontrol would be received in Korea.
rotinegg, what are the ski/snowboard fashions like in Korea? Are baggy clothes worn then? In the US, most ski outfits are pretty loose besides ones for racing. i'm not the op but i know anyway: its the same as everywhere, its quite loose, big, and waterproof.
"Everywhere"? Ski fashion has been modeled after pro outfits for years and is as tight and sexy as possible. The only people wearing loose gear are free style skiers and some leftover snow boarders. Even most snowboarders go for the pro look these days. Generally in Euro ski areas you can spot Americans from a mile away for their baggy ski outfits.
To stay on topic, I would be interested how this looks in Korea too, do you know OP?
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On March 19 2012 17:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US. I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid. Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else. And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide, having a nice home rather than a tiny flat I can't even afford, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not fearing being devastating war constantly, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite?
I'm not trolling and you're deluded. Your arguments are just as valid as mine, Korea as a whole isn't stressed to near suicide. Tiny flats here aren't expensive at all if you have any sort of job. Impersonal? Koreans are the most friendly, communal people I know. Seriously you have nfi what you're talking about. Go take your blind patriotism elsewhere.
On March 19 2012 17:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks. I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha.
There's NOTHING individual about a western uni student in a hoodie, it's like the North Face jacket for students here. The western world just has different values and a ton of different subcultures that people adhere to whilst considering themselves individuals. Just cause you think men using makeup is gay doesn't mean there's anything wrong with korean culture. Ironically in that case they're a bit more free-thinking than most westerners. If women try to look good, why shouldn't men? Manliness is just an archaic excuse for being lazy and putting a minimal amount of effort into appearance and hygiene. Funny how in your last sentence you're actually conforming to what people expect from you ('manliness') and are unwilling to change. Just like how korean men refuse to change because they'll be made fun of. Try and get some cultural perspective and you'll see the Koreans are no more insane than you or I.
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On March 19 2012 17:51 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:35 iMYoonA wrote:On March 19 2012 15:56 duk3 wrote:
I wonder how iNcontrol would be received in Korea.
rotinegg, what are the ski/snowboard fashions like in Korea? Are baggy clothes worn then? In the US, most ski outfits are pretty loose besides ones for racing. i'm not the op but i know anyway: its the same as everywhere, its quite loose, big, and waterproof. "Everywhere"? Ski fashion has been modeled after pro outfits for years and is as tight and sexy as possible. The only people wearing loose gear are free style skiers and some leftover snow boarders. Even most snowboarders go for the pro look these days. Generally in Euro ski areas you can spot Americans from a mile away for their baggy ski outfits. To stay on topic, I would be interested how this looks in Korea too, do you know OP?
in america, all girls from like 15 to 30 year olds and even older all wear sexy gear. all the males wear stuff like this: http://m.onthesnow.com/ots/images_i/nr/2309.jpg
it's not baggy, it's loose and it's that way so you can fit your pants over your boots so you don't get snow in them as easily.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2499/4166976905_955cc4ac89.jpg
skiers are basically the same. Funny I just came back from a boarding trip today in tahoe
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On March 19 2012 17:57 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US. I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid. Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else. And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide, having a nice home rather than a tiny flat I can't even afford, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not fearing being devastating war constantly, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite? I'm not trolling and you're deluded. Your arguments are just as valid as mine, Korea as a whole isn't stressed to near suicide. Tiny flats here aren't expensive at all if you have any sort of job. Impersonal? Koreans are the most friendly, communal people I know. Seriously you have nfi what you're talking about. Go take your blind patriotism elsewhere. Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks. I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha. There's NOTHING individual about wearing a hoodie, it's like the North Face jacket for students here. The western world just has different values and a ton of different subcultures that people adhere to whilst considering themselves individuals. Just cause you think men using makeup is gay doesn't mean there's anything wrong with korean culture. Ironically in that case they're a bit more free-thinking than most westerners. If women try to look good, why shouldn't men? Manliness is just an archaic excuse for being lazy and putting a minimal amount of effort into appearance and hygiene. Funny how in your last sentence you're actually conforming to what people expect from you ('manliness') and are unwilling to change. Just like how korean men refuse to change because they'll be made fun of. Try and get some cultural perspective and you'll see the Koreans are no more insane than you or I.
I was talking about flats in Korea, not Australia. Damn, you are really pissed. Chill out dude. You slander my country on things that are just unfounded except in very specific places (like UniversalSlip pointed out), and when I lay down the facts of the matter, you call it blind patriotism. Lol.
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On March 19 2012 18:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 19 2012 17:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US. I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid. Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else. And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide, having a nice home rather than a tiny flat I can't even afford, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not fearing being devastating war constantly, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite? I'm not trolling and you're deluded. Your arguments are just as valid as mine, Korea as a whole isn't stressed to near suicide. Tiny flats here aren't expensive at all if you have any sort of job. Impersonal? Koreans are the most friendly, communal people I know. Seriously you have nfi what you're talking about. Go take your blind patriotism elsewhere. On March 19 2012 17:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks. I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha. There's NOTHING individual about wearing a hoodie, it's like the North Face jacket for students here. The western world just has different values and a ton of different subcultures that people adhere to whilst considering themselves individuals. Just cause you think men using makeup is gay doesn't mean there's anything wrong with korean culture. Ironically in that case they're a bit more free-thinking than most westerners. If women try to look good, why shouldn't men? Manliness is just an archaic excuse for being lazy and putting a minimal amount of effort into appearance and hygiene. Funny how in your last sentence you're actually conforming to what people expect from you ('manliness') and are unwilling to change. Just like how korean men refuse to change because they'll be made fun of. Try and get some cultural perspective and you'll see the Koreans are no more insane than you or I. I was talking about flats in Korea, not Australia. Damn, you are really pissed. Chill out dude. You slander my country on things that are just unfounded except in very specific places (like UniversalSlip pointed out), and when I lay down the facts of the matter, you call it blind patriotism. Lol.
You slander Korea without even visiting. I'm living here atm, in a small flat. So I'm the slanderer and you're just laying down the facts...lol
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On March 19 2012 18:03 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 18:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 19 2012 17:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US. I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid. Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else. And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide, having a nice home rather than a tiny flat I can't even afford, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not fearing being devastating war constantly, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite? I'm not trolling and you're deluded. Your arguments are just as valid as mine, Korea as a whole isn't stressed to near suicide. Tiny flats here aren't expensive at all if you have any sort of job. Impersonal? Koreans are the most friendly, communal people I know. Seriously you have nfi what you're talking about. Go take your blind patriotism elsewhere. On March 19 2012 17:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks. I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha. There's NOTHING individual about wearing a hoodie, it's like the North Face jacket for students here. The western world just has different values and a ton of different subcultures that people adhere to whilst considering themselves individuals. Just cause you think men using makeup is gay doesn't mean there's anything wrong with korean culture. Ironically in that case they're a bit more free-thinking than most westerners. If women try to look good, why shouldn't men? Manliness is just an archaic excuse for being lazy and putting a minimal amount of effort into appearance and hygiene. Funny how in your last sentence you're actually conforming to what people expect from you ('manliness') and are unwilling to change. Just like how korean men refuse to change because they'll be made fun of. Try and get some cultural perspective and you'll see the Koreans are no more insane than you or I. I was talking about flats in Korea, not Australia. Damn, you are really pissed. Chill out dude. You slander my country on things that are just unfounded except in very specific places (like UniversalSlip pointed out), and when I lay down the facts of the matter, you call it blind patriotism. Lol. You slander Korea without even visiting. I'm living here atm, in a small flat. So I'm the slanderer and you're just laying down the facts...lol
Nowhere did I slander Korea, unless claiming that the US is a better place to live overall is slandering Korea HAHA. Rather, you jumped to the front to insult the US. What we do know for certain is you're PO'd as heck. Lol chill out bro. Yes, it is a fact of the matter that the stuff you said about the US is completely false except in several specific locations. I don't see why you are in denial of that.
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Its unfortunate to hear that this shallow culture is so prevalent in Korea, though I'm sure not everyone in Korea likes how it is at the moment.
I mean, not EVERYONE thinks alike. Otherwise I'm getting the impression that say all Americans are idiots, which is not the case (though it seemingly seems like there's a significant chunk of uneducated Americans).
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On March 19 2012 18:06 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 18:03 Scarecrow wrote:On March 19 2012 18:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:57 Scarecrow wrote:On March 19 2012 17:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US. I walk around at night rather often, and it's quite safe. Okay, the second thing, let's not be stupid. You do that anywhere, and there's a good chance your wallet will get jacked. Not all the time, but it will happen often. I don't need a gun, and neither does anyone else I know. Health and education is pretty important it nearly everyone I know. Overall, your argument is invalid. Nice try (not really), but take the anti-Americanism some place else. And Korea ahead of the US? Considering the rest of your post, I'd have to say you're trolling. Because not being stressed to the point of near suicide, having a nice home rather than a tiny flat I can't even afford, living in a society that accepts and embraces other races and ethnicities rather than hates them, not fearing being devastating war constantly, a society less vain and impersonal, the country that has made the most scientific and technological advancements in the world (that wouldn't happen if we didn't value education), among a plethora of other things, is obviously so much worse than living in Korea, amirite? I'm not trolling and you're deluded. Your arguments are just as valid as mine, Korea as a whole isn't stressed to near suicide. Tiny flats here aren't expensive at all if you have any sort of job. Impersonal? Koreans are the most friendly, communal people I know. Seriously you have nfi what you're talking about. Go take your blind patriotism elsewhere. On March 19 2012 17:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:If you wish to live in Korea, then by all means, be my guest . I really value taking care of oneself, but in Korea, the whole "fitting into one specific mold" thing with make-up, surgery, fashion, accessories, etc. to the point of insanity is just astonishing, including for a guy like me who likes being an individual, and the great thing about the US (yes there is a lot of groupy-ism) is that people can be the way they like in terms of all facets of life, and that's perfectly acceptable. You aren't demonized to hell if you were studying all night and you had an early morning class and wore a hoodie. In fact, it's perfectly acceptable given the situation doesn't require being insane about fashion and looks. I dress decently for my friends and family and whoever and dress appropriately for the occasion, but I'm not going to take it to the extreme of getting my hair permed/wax, wearing make-up/bbcream, and wearing clothing that looks a bit girly/metrosexual all day every day like is the style among Korean dudes :S. Oh god it would be silly for a guy like me to wear girly looking clothes :/. It just would not go with me at all XD, uh not to mention the make-up and hair treatments. I look manly, and I take pride in that. People will certainly think I fell off my rocker if I did that sort of thing haha. There's NOTHING individual about wearing a hoodie, it's like the North Face jacket for students here. The western world just has different values and a ton of different subcultures that people adhere to whilst considering themselves individuals. Just cause you think men using makeup is gay doesn't mean there's anything wrong with korean culture. Ironically in that case they're a bit more free-thinking than most westerners. If women try to look good, why shouldn't men? Manliness is just an archaic excuse for being lazy and putting a minimal amount of effort into appearance and hygiene. Funny how in your last sentence you're actually conforming to what people expect from you ('manliness') and are unwilling to change. Just like how korean men refuse to change because they'll be made fun of. Try and get some cultural perspective and you'll see the Koreans are no more insane than you or I. I was talking about flats in Korea, not Australia. Damn, you are really pissed. Chill out dude. You slander my country on things that are just unfounded except in very specific places (like UniversalSlip pointed out), and when I lay down the facts of the matter, you call it blind patriotism. Lol. You slander Korea without even visiting. I'm living here atm, in a small flat. So I'm the slanderer and you're just laying down the facts...lol Nowhere did I slander Korea, unless claiming that the US is a better place to live overall is slandering Korea HAHA.
Absurd beyond belief, insane, way messed up etc. Im pretty sure that counts as shitting on Korea and then you top it off by saying how fucking great your country is in comparison.
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On March 19 2012 17:42 Scarecrow wrote:
"The more I learn about other countries, the more I realize this [US] is one fucking great country." ...
I'd much rather a country where it's safe to walk around at night. Where I can leave my wallet on a bench and come back and find it untouched an hour later. Where I don't need a gun to protect my family and people actually prioritise health and education. No nation's perfect but I'd much rather live in most first world countries, particularly Korea, ahead of the US.
I hope your not serious. I mean, do you really believe in generalisations of a country?
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Could you post more information on Korean skin care? I think I would really benefit from better skin care... I'm 6'0 and have good proportions but I use no skin products at all and I can tell it brings down my appearance.
What do most korean men use and where can I find it? :D
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