• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:58
CEST 22:58
KST 05:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Unyielding3Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)17[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Rejuvenation8
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025)4$1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]4Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #66Weekly Cups (April 28-May 4): ByuN & Astrea break through1Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game29
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025) How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar
Tourneys
THE BEST CRYPTOCURRENCY RECOVERY COMPANY IN 2025 H [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group A INu's Battles#12 < ByuN vs herO > [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B GSL 2025 details announced - 2 seasons pre-EWC
Strategy
[G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise Mutation # 469 Frostbite
Brood War
General
OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator [G] GenAI subtitles for Korean BW content BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[BSL20] RO32 Group F - Saturday 20:00 CET [BSL20] RO32 Group E - Sunday 20:00 CET [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 [CSLPRO] $1000 Spring is Here!
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Grand Theft Auto VI Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey Surprisingly good films/Hidden Gems
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
BLinD-RawR 50K Post Watch Party The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
What High-Performing Teams (…
TrAiDoS
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Test Entry for subject
xumakis
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12895 users

[Noob Blog]DoTA2 - Staring at the Abyss

Blogs > Klonere
Post a Reply
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
February 17 2012 15:57 GMT
#1
Four score and about a month or so ago I was given a gift of numbers. I was sitting at my desk, wasting time on the internet as befitting a student on winter break when I happened upon a very special tweet.

[image loading]
all good things come in 140 characters or less

Using my insane Starcraft skills (110 EAPM I'll have you know) I copy and pasted the code into my Steam account almost as fast as Flash lays spider mines. Without even a second to worry whether I was too late, Steam was ticking away, authorizing and finalizing. The net result of these scant few seconds was this:

[image loading]
dota2 joining games of pedigree, like railroad tycoon 2

I couldn't honestly believe it was there. I stopped the download as my parents house internet had an almost cruel bandwidth cap on it. I would have to wait till I ventured back to Dublin, my student flat with its godly internet in comparison.

I was certainly not the average gamer to be in the DotA2 beta. I never played WC3 Dota, my exposure limited to watching a friend play it once a long time ago and not truly understanding what was happening. I'd never played LoL or HoN. I didn't know anything of the Chinese scene or any scene for that matter. I watched The International for all of 30 seconds. I didn't 'get' Dota-like games and was even slightly hostile to them, being a high and mighty Starcraft fan.

Slowly however, at the end of last year, I began to watch the odd Dota 2 stream, usually Link or Dendi. I would occasionally tune in to the caffeine addled, almost maniacal Tobi Wan, still not grasping the essence of what the hell was going on. I knew one thing however: DotA2 was designed properly as for the spectator. Unlike its peers in HoN and LoL, the more mature, restrained yet distinctive art style made every hero nearly unique, abilities were impressive and eye-catching whereas in the other two lived with the legacy of WC3's bright pastels making them almost like the mad scrawling's of a toddler with crayons. This instantly made me a hundred fold more engrossed in the game.

[image loading]
the real passionman

My interest in the game grew and my thirst to play it. I filled out the beta access form and waited. I entered a few contests. I waited. To suddenly just get a key as I did was a surprise. It was almost a surreal experience. I don't think I'd ever been in a closed beta before (well Age of Conan expansion beta but those were dark days). Suddenly it hit me. I have no fucking idea how to play this game and people are going to hate me for it. I was terrified. I honestly had no idea what I was getting myself into. I started to read up guides on playdota, learning mechanics and heros. I was utterly overwhelmed. It was like starting SC2 all over again, perhaps even more difficult. It was like having ladder fear again something which I had long gotten over. It was the thought of having the full force of the infamous DotA communities rage unleashed upon me.

[image loading]
poodles = other players
baby = me


That's where I am now. I have played a few games vs bots with Tidehunter, Skeleton King, Sven, Drow and Sniper. I die a lot, my last hitting sucks but is getting better, I have the basest knowledge of items, I suck at ganking and I suck balls at Sniper which is so far my favorite hero to watch. I've checked out some of Purge's videos on items and him giving commentary while playing. I watch Sing_Sing's stream because he commentates as well as trying to catching Fear when he does the same. I definitely appreciate whats going on more and really enjoy watching The Defense but I feel I am tens of hours of playing with bots away from hitting find match. Or at least that's what I feel T_T

[image loading]
matchmaking fear is the new ladder anxiety

I'm staring into the abyss that is DotA2 and I think it wants to eat me.




Thanks to Bumbleebee for the key




*****
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 16:08:46
February 17 2012 16:08 GMT
#2
Do it the same way you go through in SC2:

Start with bots
Then go in with friends as a team
Then slowly ease into standard MM

The TL channel regularly has people looking for games, so you could join up here too.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
February 17 2012 16:15 GMT
#3
If you select the lowest skill estimate before you queue it shouldn't be all that bad, as long as you're humble about it, I actually don't think you'll get all that much hate. In any case, I'm sure there are others around your skill level in the beta, so you should be getting decent(ish) matches after you've played a few games.

Just make sure you learn a few heroes at a time, since the amount of information you'll need to absorb in the long is pretty daunting.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Clues
Profile Joined April 2010
United States186 Posts
February 17 2012 16:30 GMT
#4
Like Alur said, pick 2-3-4 characters you like (preferably support type characters) and type in "(hero name) dota guide" into google and read up on how the character works and the items they suggest. In this way you slowly learn all the item combinations and what kind of uses they have. You'll still have to deal with new item graphics from the original dota but the guides themselves should still be super relevant as very little has changed from dota to dota2.

My favorite characters are Mirana, Enchantress, Omniknight and Puck.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
February 17 2012 17:13 GMT
#5
I know how you feel, I recently got my key and I was very excited, but then it suddenly dawned on me; I'd be an absolute scrub playing with the DotA community, infamous for their BM to noobs. But what I did was just say "Fuck it" and click Find Match because I wanted to play DotA2, god damn it.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
February 17 2012 17:20 GMT
#6
watch synderen's stream (he's streaming now). he explains why he does everything, or he does hillarious quests. either way its awesome.

as for ladder fear, you'll end up with people of a similar skill bracket to you assuming you play at the peak time for your area so dont worry about it. the fact that you've done a ton of research beforehand means you're a ways ahead of the average pub dota player. just dont pick a carry unless your team doesn't have one.

srsly
Writer
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
February 17 2012 17:45 GMT
#7
Tidehunter, Skeleton King, and Sven are all good noob-friendly heroes for play against real people. Drow and sniper are not.

In general, you should play as a hero with some sort of stun or slow. If you're a strength hero, you should beef up (get more strength/hp) and if you're an inteligence hero, you should always be wary of the map and what your escape route will be.

Your biggest issue will be staying close enough to get xp without dying. Your secondary issue should be knowing when is a good time to land your stun (which is when your nearby heroes outnumber theirs, or your heroes combined nuke power and hp is greater than theirs). DotA is a game of constant, constant, constant decision making.

You are making judgement calls every second - last hit or deny? Farm or gank? Initiate or stay back? Buy damage or support?

Here's the biggest thing, though: you can read how to answer all of these questions, but theoretical knowledge is not the same as game sense. You just have to play hundreds of games.

http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck That guide is full of pertinent advice, but remember: this game is hella fun. Even if you're new and go 1-10, that one kill you got was probably damn satisfying. Good luck and have fun!
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
February 17 2012 18:26 GMT
#8
Just play, no-one cares if you lose and suck except yourself. And you can take yourself in a fight, right? Punch that fucker in the face if he acts up, like a man.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
February 17 2012 18:30 GMT
#9
PM me if you you'd like someone to play with who's also nooby and doesn't care if he loses. :D
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 17 2012 19:26 GMT
#10
You're going to be really bad for a long time after you start playing Matchmaking, but thats just a fact you're going to have to accept. You're also going to get flamed, but ignore that(chances are the people flaming are just as bad as long as you pick the low skill experience thing). The key is just to work on getting better. When you get ganked try not to think "WTF NO MIA CALL?", think "Why am I so far pass the river when there's nobody on the map". Try and learn from your mistakes, and watch streams/pro games to see how the heroes are SUPPOSED to be played. Enjoy your DOTA2!
Jieun <3
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
February 17 2012 20:38 GMT
#11
On February 18 2012 03:30 Fishgle wrote:
PM me if you you'd like someone to play with who's also nooby and doesn't care if he loses. :D


Haha I might take you up on that :D

Thanks for the responses guys! I will just knuckle down and grind games vs AI until I am reasonably comfortable
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
18:00
Kung Fu Cup SC: EVO 10
SteadfastSC285
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 275
IndyStarCraft 118
JuggernautJason100
NeuroSwarm 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 211
BRAT_OK 107
Movie 35
soO 25
Sexy 19
yabsab 17
910 7
Stormgate
NightEnD13
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K686
pashabiceps322
flusha320
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox343
C9.Mang0120
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu513
Khaldor219
Other Games
tarik_tv22740
summit1g8386
Grubby5035
FrodaN3376
mouzStarbuck805
ZombieGrub114
Trikslyr56
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2243
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv124
Other Games
BasetradeTV92
StarCraft 2
angryscii 16
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 5
• Reevou 1
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 28
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2814
• Ler40
League of Legends
• TFBlade1401
Other Games
• Shiphtur332
• Scarra262
Upcoming Events
Online Event
7h 2m
ShoWTimE vs MaxPax
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs Cure
SHIN vs Clem
ShoWTimE vs SHIN
SOOP
12h 2m
DongRaeGu vs sOs
CranKy Ducklings
13h 2m
WardiTV Invitational
14h 2m
AllThingsProtoss
14h 2m
SC Evo League
15h 2m
WardiTV Invitational
17h 2m
Chat StarLeague
19h 2m
PassionCraft
20h 2m
Circuito Brasileiro de…
21h 2m
[ Show More ]
Online Event
1d 7h
MaxPax vs herO
SHIN vs Cure
Clem vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs herO
ShoWTimE vs Clem
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 14h
AllThingsProtoss
1d 14h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 17h
Chat StarLeague
1d 19h
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 21h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Light
Wardi Open
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Soulkey
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
4 days
ByuN vs Rogue
herO vs Cure
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Classic vs Reynor
GuMiho vs Maru
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

FGSL Season 1
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
StarCastTV Star League 4
JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSLPRO Spring 2025
NPSL S3
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.