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On January 29 2012 14:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 14:27 IdrA wrote:
follow this guide and you too can be as good as raelcun
LMFAO Pretty much what I was thinking. No offense raelcun, but who are you to say what it takes to be a progamer? I bet a ton of pros never ended up doing any of this shit. They just played the game for a long, long, long time.
I didn't fully read the post, but I did see stuff on the post about macro, repetition and etc., The fact that you say you bet a ton of pros never ended up doing any of this, would be false lol.. There are pros that their first RTS is this game, they just understand well, you don't know how little things like, not getting supply blocked, spending money and saturation can do for you. Any Bronze level if they can practice that and become good at their money spending and supply and saturation, they'll all be masters. It's easier said from a persons point of view of what it takes to be a pro gamer. You, yourself does not have to be a pro-gamer to say that. The observers simply don't have the time to sit there and refine their builds and their game play. for example 80 percent of casters point out what PRO gamers are doing wrong. It does not necessarily mean they can do it themselves or they are BETTER than them, it's just easier said than done sometimes. But it does help, it gives them something to practice on and look over replays to do. I don't know much about Raelcun but from what I saw, I think his comments make sense.
I've been in many High level masters/GM games spectating, and there will be platinums or golds in the game, pointing out what the pros are doing wrong, (sometimes it makes sense sometimes it doesn't) goes to show, you can say so much more and critque a player so much more from an observing point of view. Yes they're being bunch of Captain. Obvious, but hey it's true, it just takes practice and repetition to get better.
How you said "they just played the game for a long, long, long time." dont' mean a thing. I've see bronze players do over 500 games, and complain how come they arne't doing well. you can play this game for years and still not be good. It all comes down to "Perfect" practice. Practice does NOT make perfect. PERFECT Practice makes perfect. meaning you're practicing the right techniques and mechanics.
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On February 06 2012 03:02 Machnificent wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 14:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 29 2012 14:27 IdrA wrote:
follow this guide and you too can be as good as raelcun
LMFAO Pretty much what I was thinking. No offense raelcun, but who are you to say what it takes to be a progamer? I bet a ton of pros never ended up doing any of this shit. They just played the game for a long, long, long time. I didn't fully read the post, but I did see stuff on the post about macro, repetition and etc., The fact that you say you bet a ton of pros never ended up doing any of this, would be false lol.. There are pros that their first RTS is this game, they just understand well, you don't know how little things like, not getting supply blocked, spending money and saturation can do for you. Any Bronze level if they can practice that and become good at their money spending and supply and saturation, they'll all be masters. It's easier said from a persons point of view of what it takes to be a pro gamer. You, yourself does not have to be a pro-gamer to say that. The observers simply don't have the time to sit there and refine their builds and their game play. for example 80 percent of casters point out what PRO gamers are doing wrong. It does not necessarily mean they can do it themselves or they are BETTER than them, it's just easier said than done sometimes. But it does help, it gives them something to practice on and look over replays to do. I don't know much about Raelcun but from what I saw, I think his comments make sense. I've been in many High level masters/GM games spectating, and there will be platinums or golds in the game, pointing out what the pros are doing wrong, (sometimes it makes sense sometimes it doesn't) goes to show, you can say so much more and critque a player so much more from an observing point of view. Yes they're being bunch of Captain. Obvious, but hey it's true, it just takes practice and repetition to get better. How you said "they just played the game for a long, long, long time." dont' mean a thing. I've see bronze players do over 500 games, and complain how come they arne't doing well. you can play this game for years and still not be good. It all comes down to "Perfect" practice. Practice does NOT make perfect. PERFECT Practice makes perfect. meaning you're practicing the right techniques and mechanics.
I've read this like 3 times now looking for the point where you actually make an argument as to why Raelcun is right about any of this.
I can't find that statement anywhere. In fact the entirety of that diatribe can be condensed down to "Raelcun is trying to tell people how to practice because he thinks it could help. Also, people who practice well tend to be good".
Which is entirely factual but doesn't bolster the validity of the OP in any way shape or form.
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Perhaps if Starcraft 2 had a way of physically injuring you every time you did something blatantly wrong, it will make people think twice about skipping any sort of practice/warmup and heading straight into ladder games and grinding it out and thinking, "I can become pro one day."
Many sports involves conditioning, drills, warm-ups, etc, for a very good reason. Not only does it teach you the fundamentals of the sport you are playing and increases your skill, but it also prevents you from getting injured during a game because your body will know how to respond properly in the middle of some athletic feat that is either very taxing on your body or physically dangerous or both. As Raelcun points out in his blog, very little of Soccer practice consists of actually playing a skirmish game.
Kobe Bryant does not shoot fade-away three pointers during Basketball games with godlike accuracy (well, used to.) because he played a ton of basketball games over and over again. No, he does it because he will do nothing but shoot three pointers for hours from all angles.
If practicing fundamental skills wasn't required, then driving ranges wouldn't need to be kept open, punching bags could go the way of the dinosaur, the bullpen wouldn't be required at baseball stadiums, and tennis ball shooters (or whatever you call those things) wouldn't need to be sold.
The point of all this is that in any sport, people who are serious about the sport and want to get better don't spend their time playing skirmish matches over and over again. No, they drill, they practice the fundamentals and they warm up. And just because you become a professional doesn't excuse you from doing the same thing either.
It doesn't even have to be a sport. Music. Art. A skilled craft. All of those things involve practice and drilling of fundamentals. You just don't pick up a Violin and jump into a song if you want to get better. You play through drills and excercises until you get better. Read any art blog on TL (there are a few) and see how little time is spent actually drawing any sort of drawing and instead spent practicing fundamentals.
So why should Starcraft 2 be any different? Call it a sport, call it an art, it doesn't matter. Raelcun is right on the money. If you want to get better, you sure as hell should practice your game in a way that is beneficial and make sense. To be honest, a lot of what Raelcun mentions in the OP should have been instantaneously obvious the minute you hear the words practice and Starcraft2 together in the same sentence.
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Excellent post Raelcun. Friends of mine that play another game always complain about not winning and I keep badgering them to focus on being good and not just winning. Good players will lose games. You can be good while losing if you're just plain being outplayed by another good player.
I hope the point of this post isn't lost on people. Thanks for posting it.
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The post is good. Thanks Raelcun.
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a good read... food for thought...
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Thanks for the post raelcun. I have no pro aspirations, but I always want to do what I do "the right way." Your advice will certainly not hurt for any player trying to improve.
I like that you prioritize scouting -- most guides prioritize macro. I have been focusing on my macro for so long (first as zerg and now as terran) that I think I am reaching diminishing returns -- to make slight gains in macro I have to practice more and more. I know for a fact that my scouting was holding me back when I was playing zerg.
The one way that your advice differs from most is that you are in favor of learning lots of openings and varied builds from the beginning, whereas most gurus say to pick one standard build for each matchup and develop it till you have it perfect. Do I understand you correctly?
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good OP. I dislike the comment from the permanetly ragequiting gamer though. Why would a player who refuses to get rid of his own shortcomings comment on this matter? This is no question of talent, but mindset and work ethic. thanks raelcun!
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Ok Idra's comment is pure gold hahaha
Also great guide 
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Lol Idra...
Awesome guide. Now, make one for SC:BW and you're set. 
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