I travel sometimes from Los Angeles to the Philippines, which is an hour behind Korea. What I do is take the evening flight which arrives in Manila at the crack of dawn. Sleep as much in plane as possible then get through that first day eating meals at the proper local time. After going to bed that night, I'm completely adjusted the next day. The first day isn't bad, either, if I get some good sleep on the plane. An hour of napping is fine without wrecking the adjustment.

Adaptation

Canada427 Posts

January 27 2012 19:27 GMT

#86

A+ Amazing. I defenitely could tell something changed when i hanged around high light area vs low light area. Good article

OrD

United States28 Posts

January 27 2012 19:29 GMT

#87

Nicely done and thanks for the well written post, though the program recommended has trouble actually locating me [no worries because I know how to use a physical, aka "tactily-tangible," map].

It would be nice if you included how/why you have this knowledge.

zokker13

Germany77 Posts

January 27 2012 19:44 GMT

#88

That's what happening to me when the holidays are about to finish.

Wake up at 4pm and going to sleep 14hrs later...
Well I usually fix this with quitting a day and just play through the entire day so I'm ridiculously tired when I have to sleep. :D

felisconcolori

United States6168 Posts

January 27 2012 19:45 GMT

#89

Hmm. I like the looks of f.lux, but my problem is less jet-lag than having to force my circadian rhythm to be out of sync with the actual day-night cycle. (Shift work that isn't the "normal" day shift sucks.)

Very interesting to see the research stuff... I'm wondering if you looked into the research they did on someone as a "long term" project. The subject was isolated in a comfy room, with no time indicators, and I think she spent around a year in there.

RevTiberius

Canada353 Posts

January 27 2012 19:54 GMT

#90

jet lag definitely gets worse as you get older. 10 years ago flying from Europe to Asia or North America didn't bother me one bit. But now, it always takes a few days for me to adjust...

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 27 2012 21:48 GMT

#91

Oh the joys of having a chronic sleeping disorder and can thank jet lag for letting me skip a day on medicine. :-D

Super post regardless!

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

January 27 2012 22:52 GMT

#92

This is all true, but more complicated than it needs to be. o.o Basically just use this and follow the instructions:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/drsleep/public/en_us

Also, there's a difference between jet lag and general fatigue from flying. You can fly from Miami to Nova Scotia, Canada and still be exhausted from the travel, without actually changing time zones. Long cross-continental trips are a combination of both of these, so even if you fast and adjust your light intake, your body is still likely to be fatigued.

I showed it to Bumblebee a while ago, not sure if the players saw it.

whatthefat

United States918 Posts

January 27 2012 23:07 GMT

#93

Thanks Jibba! I've seen that adviser before, but I think it's simplified to the point of being useless.

My main issue with it is that it makes unrealistic assumptions about the amount of phase shifting that can be achieved by real world travelers. For a 12 hour time zone shift, it assumes the shift can be achieved within 2 days. That is really only possible if you sit in front of an extremely bright light box for several hours, and wear dark goggles the rest of the day. My estimations are based on a much more conservative estimate of how well people are likely to manage their light exposure.

The other problem is that it just gives you a schedule to follow from the beginning. If you mess things up on day 1, then the following advice may actually be worse than doing nothing. The way I've suggested updates your schedule automatically based on how well you followed the advice on previous days.

Also, I thought people might find it interesting to learn a bit about the science that underlies jet lag recommendations, even if it is tangential to the actual method of getting over jet lag.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

January 27 2012 23:14 GMT

#94

True, the science part was really good. I just mean the charts/instructions part. And I agree, 2 days is a bit short for something like the US to China for most people, although for pro gamers they might not have the luxury of becoming fully adjusted in time.

This chart in particular makes my brain hurt. That's what I mean by complicated.
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Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

January 27 2012 23:33 GMT

#95

Very awesome, will bookmark this!

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

January 27 2012 23:53 GMT

#96

What, blue light exposure at night should be avoided? Oh TeamLiquid, my beloveder TeamLiquid, what should I do?

Silentness

United States2821 Posts

January 28 2012 00:09 GMT

#97

I am flying from Korea to Texas next week so I will definitely be using this info.

MrSandman

Australia188 Posts

January 28 2012 00:26 GMT

#98

On January 28 2012 08:53 blubbdavid wrote:
What, blue light exposure at night should be avoided? Oh TeamLiquid, my beloveder TeamLiquid, what should I do?

Go to the dark side! You can use the dark interface though blue light isn't necessarily coming from a blue screen. Screens are backlit in white light.

shaaw

Spain97 Posts

January 28 2012 01:00 GMT

#99

Really nice post, i will give it a deeper read tomorrow ^^

ArchDC

Malaysia1996 Posts

January 28 2012 01:48 GMT

#100

What's REALLY fascinating is the UBERMAN SLEEP CYCLE.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/15/103358/720

I wish there were more real scientific data around it. Imagine if everyone has an extra 8 hours everyday? Imagine living your 20s or 30s with double the amount of time you have now? If I wasn't in my 30s and a bit risk-averse I would definitely give this a try.