EPTaccording to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all.
seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here.
F*** you, GEMA. Grooveshark pulls out of Germany?! - Page 3
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aendi
Germany43 Posts
according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all. seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:57 aendi wrote: well, according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all. seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here. Thanks for the article, that takes everything into a different perspective. At least in this situation, because GEMA is still a shady "organisation", or however you want to call it. Let's see how, or if, groovesharks responds to this. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. | ||
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote: LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then? Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. | ||
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max1337
Germany51 Posts
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote: I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote: No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote: Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote: Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA. | ||
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Coopa826
Germany161 Posts
I found this one today: http://schibum.blogspot.com/2012/01/grooveshark-in-deutschland-nutzen.html boycott gema now. dont let that happen. if they take away our music we will find ways to get it back. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:37 Zocat wrote: Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA. As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem. It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying roalyties or make other agreements with the record labels. | ||
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missefficiency
Germany105 Posts
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
so i read this with only 1 crying eye. maybe you should check last.fm now. its almost the same. its comparing the music you listen and recommends more music related to that. not sure if you can build playlists without getting a pro-account (what means to pay), but its still a quite nice tool and i found lot of new music there. otherwise, well good old winamp ^^ there is also a online-radio-feature, but might take some time to find a good station (never used that, so im not sure) | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:44 Coopa826 wrote: HI GERMAN FRIENDS I found this one today: http://schibum.blogspot.com/2012/01/grooveshark-in-deutschland-nutzen.html boycott gema now. dont let that happen. if they take away our music we will find ways to get it back. Please tell me, how does one boycott GEMA?  Why do you think it's your or our music? Because you like listening to it? For free? | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:53 werynais wrote: As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem. It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying royalties or make other agreements with the record labelslyt. Thats the whole point. This is what the GEMA is there for. It was GEMAs job to make sure that Grooveshark does pay money so artists get their fair share, but they demanded such a high amount of money that Grooveshark decided it's not profitable to do this. | ||
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