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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:59 Shockk wrote: Because that's not what this is about. Seriously, don't comment if you didn't bother to read and understand the problem at hand, especially if you're adding nothing but a snide remark. so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:15 TylerThaCreator wrote: so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free? What is your point? Is television wrong? Is radio wrong? O_o Please don't start useless discussions if you don't actually have a valid point to make. Streaming services are no different from radios, televisions etc when it comes to the way of making money: The streaming service creates income through advertisment/subs and pays money to a given associtation/institution that represents the artists. Everywhere, this works. But not with GEMA. I don't mean to offend anybody but streaming services are in no way a bad thing for artists. I would even go that far to say that they are WAY better than radio stations and television, not only for the consumer. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
I didn't knew the state of music streaming was so bad in Germany, i use to always complain about how it sucks in France but poor germans, you have my support! | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
 Is this related to the internation IP/copyright movement? | ||
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aendi
Germany43 Posts
did anyone try this "simfy" that they recommend before and can give their opinion? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
I remember being around when the local clubs at my city organized and sat together to find out who pays how much money towards the GEMA and it turned out... they made COMPLETELY different agreements with everyone basicly resulting in too high rates all over the place. Not to mention most of their profit goes to the people who sell the most records, NOT towards the people who are being played the most. <3 GEMA. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Sad for Germany. Is this related to the internation IP/copyright movement? There's no sign pointing towards that. GEMA simply wants more money; maybe Grooveshark waited until today to raise awareness but I'm not sure. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
GEMA is not the main problem here. | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/docdgimmdejoiemdafcgeodchlbllgac fuu gema | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:36 werynais wrote: Wait ... you guys haven't realized that Grooveshark is not exactly legal? haha GEMA is not the main problem here. Streaming is legal in Germany! GEMA is actually the main problem "here", because this is not about Grooveshark in the U.S., which is a different topic. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
They ruin the entire music business. People that organize events have to pay large sums so all the smyll music festivals in my region have disappeared, and the prices for the ones that are left are just not reasonable. And now this. Seriously, everybody should sign anti-gema petitions now. That's just idiocy. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:39 KeksX wrote: Streaming is legal in Germany! GEMA is actually the main problem "here", because this is not about Grooveshark in the U.S., which is a different topic. Dude please stop spreading your bullshit and educate yourself. GEMA is the main problem right now, but GS will not exist like it is now for much longer. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:42 werynais wrote: Dude please stop spreading your bullshit and educate yourself. GEMA is the main problem right now, but GS will not exist like it is now for much longer. What kind of bullshit am I spreading exactly? I said that Grooveshark in the U.S. is a different topic and has nothing to do with what happened there. | ||
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Matsumoto
Germany493 Posts
i did put so much effort into my playlists and now grooveshark for us germans is gone. youtube is not an alternative because guess what, we cant watch music videos there because of Gema i personally have no problem with paying for my music but i tested 3 different websites with a monthly subscription fee and always unsuscripted after one day because of 15 artists that i looked for (mainly asian) they did not have one single track of any of them. seriously i dont know where to listen to my music anymore also i cant use any proxy nonsene because i have to use the university internet in the dorm i live right now | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:15 TylerThaCreator wrote: so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free? The point is that the german GEMA is charging ridiculous fees for their services. They'll go up to 10 cents for a single view of a Youtube video, where similar organizations in other countries are doing a great job by charging about a thousandth of that. While we're at it, every german citizen has to pay (this is madantory) the GEZ fee, which is support for public broadcasting. Fun fact, you have to do so regardless of whether or not you're actually using their services; you don't even need a device capable of receiving anything. It's no tax, but has to be paid, and they'll frequently visit people suspected of not paying and usually win every court battle when someone is brave enough to attack this ridiculous practice. We're already paying for radio, TV and Internet services, (even if we're not using them), and we're cut off from streaming and video services because our dear GEMA has outlandish ideads about proper fees. I don't see droves of american, british, french or other artists going bankrupt over the abuse of video and streaming services, but apparently it's a huge deal in Germany for no other reason than a weird part of our beaurocracy wanting to collect as much money as possible. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Coopa826
Germany161 Posts
Equality? Freedom? Sounds cool but unfortunatly we dont have those in germany. And im being serious here. Youtube Grooveshark Deezer.com Pandora Radio Just to name a few of them. I dont want to exaggerate here ... BUT: THIS IS RACISM IN ITS FULL FORM. BECAUSE I WAS BORN IN GERMANY, I CANT LISTEN TO WHAT AMERICANS, FRENCH AND BRITISH PEOPLE AND RUSSIANS DO. WTF IS THIS. that is not fair. im going to write a very angry letter to the responsibles for this. this cant be happening. USA is in panic because of sopa ... u know what? all of this is happening in germany right now and nobody is doing anything about it. THX GERMANY. I ♥ U -.-" EDIT: just to give all of you "non-germans" a little impression how things work here: I have to pay a fee called GEZ because I .. .... COULD POTENTIALLY USE TV AND INTERNET .... and therefore i pay. I dont even have a tv but what am i supposed to do against it? if i dont pay they come and take away everything i have. W.T.F | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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BeWat3r
Germany182 Posts
I really liked grooveshark because it was so easy to use and had such a nice design. | ||
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