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Tebow is an interesting topic to discuss. He does complete 48 percent of his passes. He is currently 32nd in the league in passing yards this season. Tebow has 10 fumbles and lost 4 on the year. If you want to look at running the ball too, Tebow is up there with most anyone you want to compare him to. He won't necessarily get the yards, because he is a quarterback, but he still has 5.8 yards per run.
You said to compare him to Cam Newton, a passer and runner. Cam has 59.6% completions and 3722 yards. Tebow has 48.6% and 1484 yards. But, getting a lot of yards doesn't mean much to me. The important stat to me is that Cam Newton has 17 Touchdowns and 16 Interceptions, with 2 lost fumbles. Tebow has 11 Touchdowns, and only 2 Interceptions, with 4 lost fumbles. Taking care of the ball is the most important thing a team has to do after scoring. Another thing to look at is the weapons a quarterback has. Cam Newton has Steve Smith, Jeremy Shockey, Greg Olsen, and a nice duo of backs in DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, who in total, the 5 have a combined 9 pro bowl appearances and 5 all-pro selestions. Tim Tebow has Eric Decker, Willis McGahee, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Lance Ball. Combined they have 1 pro bowl selection. The Broncos' Defense plays excellently, but there is still only so much that can be done with the names listed there.
The running stats between these two are very similar. Tebow has a 5.8 yard average with 610 yards and 5 Touchdowns, while Cam has 5.3 yard average with 609 yards and 13 Touchdowns.
I will agree with you that the -29 yard sack was entirely his fault and completely stupid, but at that point in the game only something desperate and risky could have won them the game. He has gotten out of situations just as bad before. Look at his first Touchdown against the Patriots on Sunday. Another example is his crazy escape and Touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas against the Vikings. He is smart and can think with his legs. That is something Michael Vick can't do well. Just look at how often he is injured.
Though all of these stats are nice, one thing that Tebow is doing better than almost every other starter this season, winning. I don't care who you are, if you have a 1-4 record and get to 8-5, now 8-6, you are impressive. Looking at the interviews of Tebow's teammates, it shows how much they all respect this guy who has 12 total starts in his career. They all say how he is just different. He gets it done when he needs to, and if Tebow makes the playoffs, I believe that he definitely deserves a pro bowl selection.
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On December 20 2011 04:29 Southlight wrote:
That's a joke article though. The crux of the argument was that the Broncos (namely, Tebow) turned the ball over too much, and the Patriots capitalized, and the Pats rarely lose when they win the turnover battle. Why does Tebow screwing up in one game, when his greatest strength has been ball security, suddenly make it so that he absolutely cannot be a franchise quarterback?
Make note, my jury's still out on him. I have no idea what to think. He's improving (slowly), and he moves the chains better than people give credit for. Will he ever be a Tom Brady type QB? Probably not. But can he be like a Steve McNair? Maybe (he'd have to get good at throwing). But come on, flailing against one of the best defensive masterminds in the league (many QBs falter in their first look at a Belichick defense) and having one of his worst turnover games, compounded by the defense being unable to reel in Brady, and suddenly they need to be making a QB switch? Give me a break.
Keeping it as real as the Redskins' beat writers that bash the Redskins every time they lose three months after pining for a complete rebuild with draft picks and shit. Good lord.
He has 10 fumbles or avg 1.1 per start. ball security is not his greatest strength.
you realize the patriots are the worst pass defense team in the league giving up close to 300 yards per game  .
They as a team did not protect the ball well. and after the first quarter when NE started stacking the box daring them to throw he faltered.
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The Patriots may have the worst pass defense but the Broncos' bread and butter over their success has been their running game. As such, it's highly irrelevant. Would it be great if the Broncos could pass and punish the bad pass defense? Of course. But that's why Tebow isn't a superb quarterback, and why Denver is probably not a legit super bowl contender. In that sense, that statistic is meaningless.
As a quarterback, Tebow's ball security is top-notch with just two picks - one in the loss to Detroit, and one last week against Chicago. That's across 220 throws, for a pretty damn good throw-pick ratio. Tops in the league actually. Can he secure the ball better as a runner? Yes. His carry-fumble ratio is one of the worst in the league, which is ironic given I believe it was Urlacher who called him a great RB. But many RBs have gotten better at cutting down on fumbles. He probably can too.
Neither of this is particularly astonishing. They're both consistent with what he's displayed all year.
Yet all of a sudden the Broncos (not considered legit SB contenders) lose to the Patriots (considered legit SB contenders), especially against a Belichick defense, and it's because Tebow couldn't keep up with Brady?
Give me a break.
It's like the idiots that skewered Romo for this game three years ago.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122000/2008/REG16/ravens@cowboys#tab=recap
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Again it bears repeating that I don't care much for Tebow; I think the media is over-covering him (as they always do for controversial figures), but that's what the media's job is. I don't think he's a particularly good or even decent QB, although people pointing out that his running has affected defenses has made me have a slightly more open mind about his future prospects.
I do, however, think pointless hipster hate is just as retarded as the media over-coverage (if not moreso), and stupid articles like that one that try to skewer someone over unrelated concepts is just as idiotic. You admit yourself that the team as a whole didn't do well. Yet that's Tebow's fault?
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On December 20 2011 03:46 sermokala wrote:
you're completely ignoring the game plan that they're going with and its genius. having a qb who can burst out at any point and go for a great run is a huge threat that cannot be simply rushed with the front 4 and they must sent an lb or a cb or put pressure and get the tackle for that. he can west coast offence a good drive with his legs alone and the ability for his team to have 4 guys out running routes for a catch and a rb who can be the option in case the coverage is good.
It must be genius since this is the exact type of shit they run in highschool lol
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Who the fuck is Tim Tebows?
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I'm happy he lost yesterday. Getting real tired of hearing him and media preach about god this god that.
Tebow: I would like to thank god for making us lose yesterday, amen.
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i don't like the attention he's getting but hey that's not his fault
i will respect him if he stops running his mouth about religion god etc etc and if he shows that he can pass like an nfl qb.
he doesn't turn the ball over and has a decent amount of touchdowns which is great but imo but tebow doesn't seem like the kinda guy to just carry a team. that's the kinda trait peyton manning and brady have
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So Charlie Pierce is absolutely killing it over at Grantland, he's writing so much now and today he takes on Tim "Teabow" Tebow.
Pierce is absolutely awesome, he's one of America's three great sportswriters, behind Joe Posnanski and Tommy Craggs. And the fact that he's writing for Simmons? Weirdly Awesome.
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I have a feeling the league has an interest in making sure Tebow succeeds so they can bring in the heavily religious Christians. In a short while, the churchs will be showing tebow playing on the screen next to the preacher giving the sermon.
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Sounds like you should hate the media and not Tebow. As a Denver fan for all my life (31 years), it's actually fun to watch Denver games now, knowing that if there is a 1 score deficit in the 4th quarter there is ALWAYS a chance the Tebow team can come back. We never had that with Plummer or Orton or Griese, and were actually going to have it with Cutler until Josh McDouchebag sabotaged the entire goddamn team in 1 season.
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On December 20 2011 05:51 Livelovedie wrote:
I have a feeling the league has an interest in making sure Tebow succeeds so they can bring in the heavily religious Christians. In a short while, the churchs will be showing tebow playing on the screen next to the preacher giving the sermon.
Every player can say what they want in their interview, Tebow is the kind that feels the need to honor his faith first. What's wrong with that? He gets press because he wins games despite public opinion stating he is a failure at the quarterback position, not because he's a christian.
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On December 20 2011 04:38 Rkie wrote: Tebow is an interesting topic to discuss. He does complete 48 percent of his passes. He is currently 32nd in the league in passing yards this season. Tebow has 10 fumbles and lost 4 on the year. If you want to look at running the ball too, Tebow is up there with most anyone you want to compare him to. He won't necessarily get the yards, because he is a quarterback, but he still has 5.8 yards per run. You said to compare him to Cam Newton, a passer and runner. Cam has 59.6% completions and 3722 yards. Tebow has 48.6% and 1484 yards. But, getting a lot of yards doesn't mean much to me. The important stat to me is that Cam Newton has 17 Touchdowns and 16 Interceptions, with 2 lost fumbles. Tebow has 11 Touchdowns, and only 2 Interceptions, with 4 lost fumbles. Taking care of the ball is the most important thing a team has to do after scoring. Another thing to look at is the weapons a quarterback has. Cam Newton has Steve Smith, Jeremy Shockey, Greg Olsen, and a nice duo of backs in DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, who in total, the 5 have a combined 9 pro bowl appearances and 5 all-pro selestions. Tim Tebow has Eric Decker, Willis McGahee, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Lance Ball. Combined they have 1 pro bowl selection. The Broncos' Defense plays excellently, but there is still only so much that can be done with the names listed there. The running stats between these two are very similar. Tebow has a 5.8 yard average with 610 yards and 5 Touchdowns, while Cam has 5.3 yard average with 609 yards and 13 Touchdowns. I will agree with you that the -29 yard sack was entirely his fault and completely stupid, but at that point in the game only something desperate and risky could have won them the game. He has gotten out of situations just as bad before. Look at his first Touchdown against the Patriots on Sunday. Another example is his crazy escape and Touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas against the Vikings. He is smart and can think with his legs. That is something Michael Vick can't do well. Just look at how often he is injured. Though all of these stats are nice, one thing that Tebow is doing better than almost every other starter this season, winning. I don't care who you are, if you have a 1-4 record and get to 8-5, now 8-6, you are impressive. Looking at the interviews of Tebow's teammates, it shows how much they all respect this guy who has 12 total starts in his career. They all say how he is just different. He gets it done when he needs to, and if Tebow makes the playoffs, I believe that he definitely deserves a pro bowl selection. Tim TebowCam Newton
I brought out the Cam comparison because I also was a doubter on him as a NFL qb. To be honest I envisioned him as a Jamarcus Russell type bust lol. I was way off on this one.
Taking care of the ball is important. I feel that can be taught over time to a young qb. Cam will obviously have more int's because his coaches believe he can make all of the throws a QB in the NFL needs to make. It will be interesting to see how he does next year assuming they take off more of the leash. The Broncos coaching staff is not convinced giving their run run run mentality thus far.
You bring up another interesting comment/angle in regards to the surrounding cast. Steve Smith last year was horrendous. He all but seemed done. Jimmy Clausen and Matt Moore damn near killed him it seemed. This year with Cam he is on pace for one of his best years. Olsen is a good tight end, not too hot on Shockey; he seems to be overrated to me personally.
Now for Denver you had one of the top10 wr's in the league last year in Brandon Lloyd who wanted out as soon as they made the "switch". I believe Carolina does have more weapons in terms of wr's and te's. And I dont see that ever changing because what good receivers wants to waste away their career on a team that cannot get them the ball? Denver is going to need some luck in the draft or hope he learns how to throw better.
Extending the play; its a love hate relationship lol. I see this alot with Ben as qb. When it works its great when it doesnt it can be ugly. His high ankle sprain against Cleveland is a perfect example of the bad. Had he thrown it away when he first escaped the rush he wouldnt be in a boot. Tonights game which is hugely important and essentially a must win for a 1st round bye is going to be that more tough. Its a tough tough call on how essential it is to being a good qb. Sometimes you need to just give up the play.
At the end of the day winning is truly what matters, and when the losses start coming it will be interesting to see the backlash he gets if any at all. Or if people start making excuses. Denver is fortunate to have good veteran leaders on their team that will not publicly trash a teammate. I can't recall Champ or Brian ever saying anything negative.
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I used to hate on him, too. I'm proud he's done so well and that's all I will say
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On December 20 2011 04:50 Southlight wrote:The Patriots may have the worst pass defense but the Broncos' bread and butter over their success has been their running game. As such, it's highly irrelevant. Would it be great if the Broncos could pass and punish the bad pass defense? Of course. But that's why Tebow isn't a superb quarterback, and why Denver is probably not a legit super bowl contender. In that sense, that statistic is meaningless. As a quarterback, Tebow's ball security is top-notch with just two picks - one in the loss to Detroit, and one last week against Chicago. That's across 220 throws, for a pretty damn good throw-pick ratio. Tops in the league actually. Can he secure the ball better as a runner? Yes. His carry-fumble ratio is one of the worst in the league, which is ironic given I believe it was Urlacher who called him a great RB. But many RBs have gotten better at cutting down on fumbles. He probably can too. Neither of this is particularly astonishing. They're both consistent with what he's displayed all year. Yet all of a sudden the Broncos (not considered legit SB contenders) lose to the Patriots (considered legit SB contenders), especially against a Belichick defense, and it's because Tebow couldn't keep up with Brady? Give me a break. It's like the idiots that skewered Romo for this game three years ago. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122000/2008/REG16/ravens@cowboys#tab=recapEdit: Again it bears repeating that I don't care much for Tebow; I think the media is over-covering him (as they always do for controversial figures), but that's what the media's job is. I don't think he's a particularly good or even decent QB, although people pointing out that his running has affected defenses has made me have a slightly more open mind about his future prospects. I do, however, think pointless hipster hate is just as retarded as the media over-coverage (if not moreso), and stupid articles like that one that try to skewer someone over unrelated concepts is just as idiotic. You admit yourself that the team as a whole didn't do well. Yet that's Tebow's fault?
Urlacher was dogging his qb skills post game.
See I think the media's job is to bring stories that aren't in the limelight and expose them. Not repeatedly rehash the same old same old. But I suppose this is more status quo this day and age.
See the problem I have is the fact it seems he is only responsible when they when and not responsible when they lose. Last week it was made out that he kicked a 59 yard field goal lol...Its like there is not middle ground with him and that is what makes it maddening to me. Like I get annoyed when the announcers drool over Tom Brady, but I can agree that he actually is a really good qb.
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On December 20 2011 06:16 tehemperorer wrote:
Sounds like you should hate the media and not Tebow. As a Denver fan for all my life (31 years), it's actually fun to watch Denver games now, knowing that if there is a 1 score deficit in the 4th quarter there is ALWAYS a chance the Tebow team can come back. We never had that with Plummer or Orton or Griese, and were actually going to have it with Cutler until Josh McDouchebag sabotaged the entire goddamn team in 1 season.
Yea McDaniel's screwed you guys over big time in his tenure. The hype wagon makes him a very easy target to dislike. Media in general is a travesty. The main issue is their bias can possibly become the only opinion people some people can get to see and then you got people thinking unreasonable things.
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On December 20 2011 04:38 Rkie wrote: Tebow is an interesting topic to discuss. He does complete 48 percent of his passes. He is currently 32nd in the league in passing yards this season. Tebow has 10 fumbles and lost 4 on the year. If you want to look at running the ball too, Tebow is up there with most anyone you want to compare him to. He won't necessarily get the yards, because he is a quarterback, but he still has 5.8 yards per run. You said to compare him to Cam Newton, a passer and runner. Cam has 59.6% completions and 3722 yards. Tebow has 48.6% and 1484 yards. But, getting a lot of yards doesn't mean much to me. The important stat to me is that Cam Newton has 17 Touchdowns and 16 Interceptions, with 2 lost fumbles. Tebow has 11 Touchdowns, and only 2 Interceptions, with 4 lost fumbles. Taking care of the ball is the most important thing a team has to do after scoring. Another thing to look at is the weapons a quarterback has. Cam Newton has Steve Smith, Jeremy Shockey, Greg Olsen, and a nice duo of backs in DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, who in total, the 5 have a combined 9 pro bowl appearances and 5 all-pro selestions. Tim Tebow has Eric Decker, Willis McGahee, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Lance Ball. Combined they have 1 pro bowl selection. The Broncos' Defense plays excellently, but there is still only so much that can be done with the names listed there. The running stats between these two are very similar. Tebow has a 5.8 yard average with 610 yards and 5 Touchdowns, while Cam has 5.3 yard average with 609 yards and 13 Touchdowns. I will agree with you that the -29 yard sack was entirely his fault and completely stupid, but at that point in the game only something desperate and risky could have won them the game. He has gotten out of situations just as bad before. Look at his first Touchdown against the Patriots on Sunday. Another example is his crazy escape and Touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas against the Vikings. He is smart and can think with his legs. That is something Michael Vick can't do well. Just look at how often he is injured. Though all of these stats are nice, one thing that Tebow is doing better than almost every other starter this season, winning. I don't care who you are, if you have a 1-4 record and get to 8-5, now 8-6, you are impressive. Looking at the interviews of Tebow's teammates, it shows how much they all respect this guy who has 12 total starts in his career. They all say how he is just different. He gets it done when he needs to, and if Tebow makes the playoffs, I believe that he definitely deserves a pro bowl selection. Tim TebowCam Newton
How can you sit and say yards don't matter?? It's absolutely relevant to what everyone's talking about and it was apparent yesterday: Against good teams who are either good on D or strong offenses, the Broncos will be in trouble because they can only play one gimmicky brand of football. They get in a hole like they did vs the Pats--done. Some defensive squad comes in and puts the clamp on the run and forces Tebow to pass: done. The only reason this wasn't more apparent thus far is the D was playing bonkers
Cam, every bit as good of a runner as Tebow, throws for a full 140 yds/game more than Tim, and he's a rookie who came in without a real offseason. He is a multi dimensional threat. TD:INT tends to vary year to year, and on top of that, he is playing with a shitty D that is injured to boot, so they've been playing behind on top of everything. That is a recipe for lots of turnovers. But a QB like him gives you the ability to be dynamic on offense, which would have possibly bailed a club when they get into trouble like the Broncos did yesetrday
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As a casual NFL fan (just watch the Sunday night games but don't keep up with any news) he's a gimmick. I personally love seeing QB's run with the ball though or at least have the ability to, like Vick or even Roethlisberger to an extent, and dislike QB's like Eli Manning. Get's boring seeing Rodgers make most of his passes and every drive resulting in a TD. I'd much rather see a struggle but maybe that's because I don't support any one team as well.
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On December 20 2011 07:01 Full.tilt wrote:
As a casual NFL fan (just watch the Sunday night games but don't keep up with any news) he's a gimmick. I personally love seeing QB's run with the ball though or at least have the ability to, like Vick or even Roethlisberger to an extent, and dislike QB's like Eli Manning. Get's boring seeing Rodgers make most of his passes and every drive resulting in a TD. I'd much rather see a struggle but maybe that's because I don't support any one team as well.
ya know rodgers is one of the best running qb's in the league, as least when it comes to escaping pressure and extending the play. I think someone more like Tom Brady is the type of person who ONLY drops back and throws.
But on topic, the tebow buzz is kind of annoying but the guy is 7-2 when NO ONE believed he would be good, so it's not really surprising that people are talking about it
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Teabow is all hype
It will all fizzle out soon.
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On December 20 2011 07:23 zOula... wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:01 Full.tilt wrote:
As a casual NFL fan (just watch the Sunday night games but don't keep up with any news) he's a gimmick. I personally love seeing QB's run with the ball though or at least have the ability to, like Vick or even Roethlisberger to an extent, and dislike QB's like Eli Manning. Get's boring seeing Rodgers make most of his passes and every drive resulting in a TD. I'd much rather see a struggle but maybe that's because I don't support any one team as well. ya know rodgers is one of the best running qb's in the league, as least when it comes to escaping pressure and extending the play. I think someone more like Tom Brady is the type of person who ONLY drops back and throws. But on topic, the tebow buzz is kind of annoying but the guy is 7-2 when NO ONE believed he would be good, so it's not really surprising that people are talking about it
Quarterbacks don't win games, teams do.
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