On December 17 2011 16:14 Lexpar wrote: This post makes me sad. I only got into BW during the SC2 announcement resurgence around 2008.I was to young to get into BW much before that anyway. It just makes me sad to think about all the names I never really appreciated because I was too young. I totally get Bisu, Jaedong, Flash- but ask me to describe a savior or boxer championship match to you and I'l give you a blank look. I just wish i'd been born a few years earlier so I could of really appreciated it. BW was clearly the greatest esport- probably will be for a very long time. I wish I could have experienced it. That and Beatlemania.
Why couldn't you? I only got into BW in 2010 and atm I'm enjoying the SPL but whenever it's not enough I go back and browse the older VODs. This game is not only about watching the game live and rooting for your favorite (although thanks to TL this is no problem either - spoiler free VODs), you still get to enjoy the game itself. Go watch Hiya vs Boxer and tell me it's a waste of time.
It's like the old movies. You may have been too young back then, but you still get to enjoy them now. And trust me, it's worth it.
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
I don't know what the heck you're smoking.
I was in to the cs source pro scene and I frequently tuned in to dj wheat casting in most cs source matches and they were good , the switch from fps commentating to rts commentating is quite weird and I don't think he can cast something such as bw which requires lots of good history and knowledge about the game . Being a fan of the game just doesn't give you immediate credibility to become a bw caster .
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
I don't know what the heck you're smoking.
Like I said whenever BW is mentioned it's always in terms of things that happened years ago. Aside from talking about the recent osl finals for about 10 minutes on sotg there's been zero mention of current BW events. It's no wonder people are saying the game dead when everyone in the community spotlight is acting like it already is.
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
I don't know what the heck you're smoking.
Like I said whenever BW is mentioned it's always in terms of things that happened years ago. Aside from talking about the recent osl finals for about 10 minutes on sotg there's been zero mention of current BW events. It's no wonder people are saying the game dead when everyone in the community spotlight is acting like it already is.
I think the thing is everyone in the foreign scene has already moved on to SC2 and don't really follow the BW anymore, so they don't talk about it anymore.
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
I don't know what the heck you're smoking.
Like I said whenever BW is mentioned it's always in terms of things that happened years ago. Aside from talking about the recent osl finals for about 10 minutes on sotg there's been zero mention of current BW events. It's no wonder people are saying the game dead when everyone in the community spotlight is acting like it already is.
I think the thing is everyone in the foreign scene has already moved on to SC2 and don't really follow the BW anymore, so they don't talk about it anymore.
This conflicts with the fact that SC2 people have been caught on camera at BW events and that everyone on sotg had seen the recent OSL finals despite never mentioning it before.
On December 16 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote: tbh I don't think Blizz's stance on BW changed the community on anything. Most people came because of SC2, and what Blizz did with BW, and you suggesting they broadcast in english, probably wouldn't do much because people wouldn't have heard of the english broadcast until they got into SC2 anyway. Even now people in SC2 know about BW and don't care, not because they parrot the Blizzard line but because it's not "their game".
There might not be a direct influence but there's definitely an indirect one. Consider the following:
-Tasteless mentioned EVO during a GSL finals and brings up whatever PS3 games he's currently playing during other casts -When Day9 went to Korea he went to a Jaedong game rather than the GSTL finals. -Popular community figures stream themselves playing games like Amnesia and Skyrim -DJWheat and Slasher are always begging people to care about Quake -Rotterdam cast Warcraft 3 at WCG and encouraged people to show continued interest in it
Clearly these people have no problem talking about non-Starcraft games, so why is it that they never mention BW tournaments or events? Obviously it's because even if Dustin Browder says it's ok Blizzard doesn't actually want people to care about BW. Why do you think Tasteless has never once mentioned that he was still doing BW games for Arirang? He mentions his t-shit website and that documentary all the time so he's obviously not holding back on self-promotion.
Clearly there's a top-down information blockade at work, starting with Blizzard and working its way down to the community. Wasn't the whole point of JP's twitter experiment the other day to demonstrate how one person can distribute a message to hundreds of thousands?
IIRC, Tasteless is no longer commentating BW. The ones shown on Arirang are just a rebroadcast of old GOM BW matches that he did with Jason Lee.
Also Artosis and Tasteless talk a lot about BW strategies and BW players on cast.
Day9, Tyler, Artosis, and Incontrol CONSTANTLY talk about BW on Sotg.
Wheat, Slasher and Rotterdam don't really come from BW backgrounds how do you expect them to talk so much about it? Wheat casted some BW games but he never really got into the pro-scene because it was entirely based in Korea, and he never really got into the Korean BW scene.
I don't know what the heck you're smoking.
Like I said whenever BW is mentioned it's always in terms of things that happened years ago. Aside from talking about the recent osl finals for about 10 minutes on sotg there's been zero mention of current BW events. It's no wonder people are saying the game dead when everyone in the community spotlight is acting like it already is.
I think the thing is everyone in the foreign scene has already moved on to SC2 and don't really follow the BW anymore, so they don't talk about it anymore.
This conflicts with the fact that SC2 people have been caught on camera at BW events and that everyone on sotg had seen the recent OSL finals despite never mentioning it before.
Its funny because i watched SC2 finals today. Artosis and Tasteless casting and despite already knowing that SC2 casting is like 90% hype as opposed to commentary, it was still sad hearing these two in particular who actually knew BW intimately say stuff like. Artosis: OMG this is the most amazing comeback in my 14 years of Starcraft! Tasteless: This is the greatest game ever played in all of eSports. BW simply doesn't exist anymore. These guy do know better but it simply isn't in their "economic" interest to recognise BW.
5/5 for not having pictures of old men(thank god) but -1 for talking about Blizzard. 4/5 Seriously though, I hope I wasn't the only one expecting pics of Old men and a bunch of Mods with jokes coming in to save the thread.
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