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Well Guys, im back.... not like you know me though.
Played BW competitively for about 4-5 years at a mediocre level (topped out at B+ on iccup soon before SC2 Beta came out), when SC2 came out, feel into a depression that the best game ever made was dying .
Anyway, what have i missed in the patches? strategy? anything i need to know.
Starting in some random platinum division.
When i left SC2 a while ago, TvZ was all about reaper cheesy bullshit.
ZvP seems to be similar ( highly colossus based late game)
and ZvZ was a lot of Baneling/Ling Play / Fast tech to muta / or Hydra Infestor builds
Im a Zerg.
And.... Terran was overpowered as tits, how is the balance now?
and the updated strategies?
***Also - Is there anything new in the form of Chat Channels or anything similar?
Any iccup related things or just the original ladder system they set up?
 
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Proof you were B+ on iccup
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ZvP: Mutas are rising! Most people go mutas nowadays, if not: Roach/corruptor + relatively fast broodlords
ZvT: Baneling landmindes are very nice at the moment. Maybe terran will start to build a raven sometimes? Who knows... Mostly muta/ling/bling while terran goes for marine/tank and few thors or complete mech. Reactor hellion is the standard opening from then, zerg usually go for 15 hatch. 11/11 rax is kinda outdated, it only kills idra!
ZvZ: From what I see on streams its either ling/bling battles or roach vs roach/hydra vs roach/infestor vs roach/muta.
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On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup
as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people
other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.
HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.
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Well TvZ now is often Marine/Tank/Medi, or Mech, Also quite a few 2 Rax SCV all ins especially in the lower leagues. Mech is just a pain in the ass to play against if you ask me, The Terran just expands all over the place with PFs till they are maxed on Tanks/Thors/Hellions.
ZvP nothing has changed really, Except everyone FFEs now and most of the time its a 6gate followup or a 2 Robo Collus build.
ZvZ lots of Ling/Bling wars, 2 Base Mutas into third with the Mapcontrol they provide is quite common, I prefer the ol' Hydra/Roach approach to things. The Muta style is falling out of style from what I've seen recently its most likely a 10/10 Speedling all in, Bane war, or 15 Hatch into Roach/Festor/Hydra. But then again you have to watch out for the 6Pool Drone pull with 2 Spines.
Its pretty well balanced now as you don't have that Reaper bullshit but sometimes you do come across the 5 Rax Reaper build I believe is the name and its quite a pain to deal with.
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On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs. HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.
Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)
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When i left SC2 a while ago, TvZ was all about reaper cheesy bullshit.
ZvP seems to be similar ( highly colossus based late game)
and ZvZ was a lot of Baneling/Ling Play / Fast tech to muta / or Hydra Infestor builds
Im a Zerg.
And.... Terran was overpowered as tits, how is the balance now?
The reaper was nerfed into oblivion months and months ago, TvZ is generally considered the most exciting match up now; the standard is marine/tank/medivac against ling/bling/muta, into hive tech vs ghosts in the late game. I recommend the Leenock v Jjakji GSL Final to see this MU in action.
ZvP was still colossus based for a long time, but then the infestor was buffed and ling infestor became really pretty strong and protoss can no longer just turtle and deathball it. I don't even think there is a standard, there are a few new styles coming out and it's pretty cool. Check out Huk and Hero's PvZ, and probably Stephano for ZvP. At least I think it was him doing cool ZvP stuff...at IPL...anyway can't really think of any other ZvP specialists off the top of my head.
ZvZ I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea :D
As for balance it's looking pretty good. I don't think any race has a right to complain right now.
I'm not gonna list all the patch notes, I'm afraid you'll have to find them yourself. Well actually...SC2 should come up with a list of them when you get the balance patch.
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On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs. HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things. Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)
I use the rule of 3 my friend. Subtract 3 levels when someone states their past pgt or iccup self-over-speculated ranking.
C+ (at best)
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On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs. HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things. Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)
I agree, either he really hates the game or he is lying... I don't see too many high level BW players defining matchups like that.
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On December 13 2011 04:51 Horrde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs. HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things. Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters) I use the rule of 3 my friend. Subtract 3 levels when someone states their past pgt or iccup self-over-speculated ranking. C+ (at best)
lol, that law applies to men saying how many women they have had sex with. And the opposite for women saying how many men they have had sex with.
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Did you ever get that retainer problem solved? Thats what I want to know.
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I remember back when streams starting coming out, Chill would have to question everybody's claim of their rank on iccup. Few people were actually as high as their claimed ranks
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E-sports...it was ruined...
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We killed eSports, finally.
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his iccup rank has absolutely NOTHING to do with the blog post so idk why its the focus of the comments
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On December 13 2011 05:29 Rice wrote:
his iccup rank has absolutely NOTHING to do with the blog post so idk why its the focus of the comments
haha, yet my eyes immediately come to focus on that gigantic "B" when i first open the page and even now.
it honestly can't be helped, that's just how selective reading/writing works. you lack some sort of meat to what you're writing, and the reader makes up the rest.
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well I sure haven't missed you.
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Well guys, this blog pretty much became about my legitimate iccup rank than about SC2 Strategy... which is fine....
I got B+ on my account Meatpost[AoV] - Cant remember which season - record was like 120-70.
Unfortunately, that account was banned along with the proof. If you knew me, you know im not lying.
Also, got B (60-10) season after that, on G4i.MeyvN, which again was banned.
You guys can call me a liar, but if you knew me, you know im not lying
Had mediocre skills, but was way to BM to keep my accounts back in the day
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On December 13 2011 05:14 Kralic wrote:
Did you ever get that retainer problem solved? Thats what I want to know.
Roommates parents paid $345 in full,
Was actually awesome, dog tore apart my old retainer and got a brand new one for free
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I dont know if you kept up with the gsl's at all but you should check out nestea vs sc game 5 from the may gsl. Its a match i think everyone should watch cause its fucking amazing lol. Hope you get back into the flow sir <3
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You're not really missing that much imo.
Things are finally getting interesting, like REALLY interesting. Timings are starting to get figured out, micro is improving, and the game is starting to have a consistent shape. That being said, we have HoTS on the horizon, so that'll all go out the window soon anyway.
I've pretty much fully switched back to BW at this point. SC2 game-play still doesn't quite do it for me. I'd be interested to hear what you think about it after a week or two of games.
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On December 13 2011 06:02 Kimaker wrote:
You're not really missing that much imo.
Things are finally getting interesting, like REALLY interesting. Timings are starting to get figured out, micro is improving, and the game is starting to have a consistent shape. That being said, we have HoTS on the horizon, so that'll all go out the window soon anyway.
I've pretty much fully switched back to BW at this point. SC2 game-play still doesn't quite do it for me. I'd be interested to hear what you think about it after a week or two of games.
Nothing will ever be as great as BW.
Having said that, i played the Beta of SC2, bought the game when it released, but didnt really like it at first.
Basically, because it didnt measure up to the legendary BW. But nothing will 
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On December 13 2011 06:06 DeeeJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:02 Kimaker wrote:
You're not really missing that much imo.
Things are finally getting interesting, like REALLY interesting. Timings are starting to get figured out, micro is improving, and the game is starting to have a consistent shape. That being said, we have HoTS on the horizon, so that'll all go out the window soon anyway.
I've pretty much fully switched back to BW at this point. SC2 game-play still doesn't quite do it for me. I'd be interested to hear what you think about it after a week or two of games.
Nothing will ever be as great as BW. Having said that, i played the Beta of SC2, bought the game when it released, but didnt really like it at first. Basically, because it didnt measure up to the legendary BW. But nothing will
You can like sc2 for that it is or not but like you said nothing will measure up to BW in terms of RTS ever again/
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On December 13 2011 05:52 DeeeJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 05:14 Kralic wrote:
Did you ever get that retainer problem solved? Thats what I want to know. Roommates parents paid $345 in full, Was actually awesome, dog tore apart my old retainer and got a brand new one for free
Yay! That was sure an expensive retainer o_O
Anyways, you would still be Masters League so if you want to learn, get on ladder and win in straight up games and die to timings and cheese. You should be good really fast.
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I remember you from BW. You use to be insanely bad mannered to anyone that beat you on iccup. I dont mean just a little rude, I mean full out douchebag everytime you lost a game. Hopefully you've matured over the year 
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On December 13 2011 07:00 DeeeJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:57 eXigent. wrote:I remember you from BW. You use to be insanely Bad mannered to anyone that beat you on iccup. I dont mean just a little rude, I mean full out douchebag everytime you lost a game. Hopefully you've matured over the year Yes, That was me  Did you happen to take a win from me?
Not me personally, but I saw plenty of replays/friends play you lol ^^. I was in AoV as a low end user (c/c+) used the ID Dracula. Anyway, you definitely were talented at BW so SC2 should come relatively easy for you. Goodluck~
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On December 13 2011 05:52 DeeeJ wrote:Well guys, this blog pretty much became about my legitimate iccup rank than about SC2 Strategy... which is fine.... I got B+ on my account Meatpost[AoV] - Cant remember which season - record was like 120-70. Unfortunately, that account was banned along with the proof. If you knew me, you know im not lying. Also, got B (60-10) season after that, on G4i.MeyvN, which again was banned. You guys can call me a liar, but if you knew me, you know im not lying Had mediocre skills, but was way to BM to keep my accounts back in the day
OMG I remember you! I was InHale[AoV], I can back his claim at B+, he was on my team.
<3<3<3<3
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Not me personally, but I saw plenty of replays/friends play you lol ^^. I was in AoV as a low end user (c/c+) used the ID Dracula. Anyway, you definitely were talented at BW so SC2 should come relatively easy for you. Goodluck~
Thanks man,
Hoping for the same . Gonna try to get into SC2 like i was in BW
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On December 13 2011 07:12 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 05:52 DeeeJ wrote:Well guys, this blog pretty much became about my legitimate iccup rank than about SC2 Strategy... which is fine.... I got B+ on my account Meatpost[AoV] - Cant remember which season - record was like 120-70. Unfortunately, that account was banned along with the proof. If you knew me, you know im not lying. Also, got B (60-10) season after that, on G4i.MeyvN, which again was banned. You guys can call me a liar, but if you knew me, you know im not lying Had mediocre skills, but was way to BM to keep my accounts back in the day OMG I remember you! I was InHale[AoV], I can back his claim at B+, he was on my team. <3<3<3<3
Awesome you guys are still playing, <3
Any of the other AoV guys around on SC2?
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If you were BM in BW because of the way in which you lost, I can't imagine how bad it must be in this game due to the fact that you can die from some really dumb shit...
Anyways, you're probably just best off watching a few high level VODs from each matchup and then just playing. If you really apply yourself to this game, you could probably get high masters without too much effort, and even into Grandmasters if you ladder a lot. B+ is no joke.
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Thanks for the posts guys, didnt want in depth strategy analysis... just basic, since ill learn primarily what has changed from playing the game.
And so far... not much,
Started in Platinum last night, finished up in some random Diamond League.
How does Masters and GM Work?
if anyone would be so awesome
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Well Masters you just get into by gaining points ie:just win, Grandmasters 200 people that are high masters get in at the start of a new season and have to play to keep their bonus pool low otherwise they get kicked from the league.
This thread is the exact amounts needed for promotions.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285744
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On December 14 2011 02:39 -Dustin- wrote:Well Masters you just get into by gaining points ie:just win, Grandmasters 200 people that are high masters get in at the start of a new season and have to play to keep their bonus pool low otherwise they get kicked from the league. This thread is the exact amounts needed for promotions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285744
So, does that mean, you cant get promoted to GM in the same season, it happens next season?
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On December 13 2011 07:24 DeeeJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:12 GreEny K wrote:On December 13 2011 05:52 DeeeJ wrote:Well guys, this blog pretty much became about my legitimate iccup rank than about SC2 Strategy... which is fine.... I got B+ on my account Meatpost[AoV] - Cant remember which season - record was like 120-70. Unfortunately, that account was banned along with the proof. If you knew me, you know im not lying. Also, got B (60-10) season after that, on G4i.MeyvN, which again was banned. You guys can call me a liar, but if you knew me, you know im not lying Had mediocre skills, but was way to BM to keep my accounts back in the day OMG I remember you! I was InHale[AoV], I can back his claim at B+, he was on my team. <3<3<3<3 Awesome you guys are still playing, <3 Any of the other AoV guys around on SC2?
Yeah, if you remember SpiritOf[AovV] he's a pretty good protoss now. Ray[AoV] is now Baxter and he's a solid Zerg, not sure if you remember hOpe[AoV] but hes a sick protoss now, when he practices. I think that's it for SC2 people, the BW team is still around though.
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On December 14 2011 02:53 DeeeJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:39 -Dustin- wrote:Well Masters you just get into by gaining points ie:just win, Grandmasters 200 people that are high masters get in at the start of a new season and have to play to keep their bonus pool low otherwise they get kicked from the league. This thread is the exact amounts needed for promotions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285744 So, does that mean, you cant get promoted to GM in the same season, it happens next season?
If there is an opening then yes you can. They let people play for a few days before they open up the promotions for GM to let people get high on ladder and see who to promote. If there are slots open, and your MMR is high enough, then you will be promoted. You don't have to wait until next season, that was only the season GM first came out.
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