• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:21
CEST 21:21
KST 04:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)68ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9117 users

Been Gone for a Year - What have i missed? (SC2)

Blogs > DeeeJ
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
DeeeJ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:08:16
December 12 2011 19:22 GMT
#1
Well Guys, im back.... not like you know me though.


Played BW competitively for about 4-5 years at a mediocre level (topped out at B+ on iccup soon before SC2 Beta came out), when SC2 came out, feel into a depression that the best game ever made was dying .


Anyway, what have i missed in the patches? strategy? anything i need to know.
Starting in some random platinum division.

When i left SC2 a while ago, TvZ was all about reaper cheesy bullshit.

ZvP seems to be similar ( highly colossus based late game)

and ZvZ was a lot of Baneling/Ling Play / Fast tech to muta / or Hydra Infestor builds

Im a Zerg.



And.... Terran was overpowered as tits, how is the balance now?
and the updated strategies?

***Also - Is there anything new in the form of Chat Channels or anything similar?

Any iccup related things or just the original ladder system they set up?




*
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
December 12 2011 19:23 GMT
#2
Proof you were B+ on iccup
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
December 12 2011 19:26 GMT
#3
ZvP: Mutas are rising! Most people go mutas nowadays, if not: Roach/corruptor + relatively fast broodlords
ZvT: Baneling landmindes are very nice at the moment. Maybe terran will start to build a raven sometimes? Who knows... Mostly muta/ling/bling while terran goes for marine/tank and few thors or complete mech. Reactor hellion is the standard opening from then, zerg usually go for 15 hatch. 11/11 rax is kinda outdated, it only kills idra!
ZvZ: From what I see on streams its either ling/bling battles or roach vs roach/hydra vs roach/infestor vs roach/muta.
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
December 12 2011 19:28 GMT
#4
On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup


as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people

other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.

HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
-Dustin-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States718 Posts
December 12 2011 19:29 GMT
#5
Well TvZ now is often Marine/Tank/Medi, or Mech, Also quite a few 2 Rax SCV all ins especially in the lower leagues. Mech is just a pain in the ass to play against if you ask me, The Terran just expands all over the place with PFs till they are maxed on Tanks/Thors/Hellions.

ZvP nothing has changed really, Except everyone FFEs now and most of the time its a 6gate followup or a 2 Robo Collus build.

ZvZ lots of Ling/Bling wars, 2 Base Mutas into third with the Mapcontrol they provide is quite common, I prefer the ol' Hydra/Roach approach to things. The Muta style is falling out of style from what I've seen recently its most likely a 10/10 Speedling all in, Bane war, or 15 Hatch into Roach/Festor/Hydra. But then again you have to watch out for the 6Pool Drone pull with 2 Spines.

Its pretty well balanced now as you don't have that Reaper bullshit but sometimes you do come across the 5 Rax Reaper build I believe is the name and its quite a pain to deal with.
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
December 12 2011 19:30 GMT
#6
On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup


as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people

other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.

HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.



Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 12 2011 19:44 GMT
#7
When i left SC2 a while ago, TvZ was all about reaper cheesy bullshit.

ZvP seems to be similar ( highly colossus based late game)

and ZvZ was a lot of Baneling/Ling Play / Fast tech to muta / or Hydra Infestor builds

Im a Zerg.



And.... Terran was overpowered as tits, how is the balance now?


The reaper was nerfed into oblivion months and months ago, TvZ is generally considered the most exciting match up now; the standard is marine/tank/medivac against ling/bling/muta, into hive tech vs ghosts in the late game. I recommend the Leenock v Jjakji GSL Final to see this MU in action.

ZvP was still colossus based for a long time, but then the infestor was buffed and ling infestor became really pretty strong and protoss can no longer just turtle and deathball it. I don't even think there is a standard, there are a few new styles coming out and it's pretty cool. Check out Huk and Hero's PvZ, and probably Stephano for ZvP. At least I think it was him doing cool ZvP stuff...at IPL...anyway can't really think of any other ZvP specialists off the top of my head.

ZvZ I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea :D

As for balance it's looking pretty good. I don't think any race has a right to complain right now.

I'm not gonna list all the patch notes, I'm afraid you'll have to find them yourself. Well actually...SC2 should come up with a list of them when you get the balance patch.
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
December 12 2011 19:51 GMT
#8
On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup


as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people

other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.

HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.



Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)


I use the rule of 3 my friend. Subtract 3 levels when someone states their past pgt or iccup self-over-speculated ranking.

C+ (at best)
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 12 2011 20:09 GMT
#9
On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup


as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people

other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.

HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.



Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)


I agree, either he really hates the game or he is lying... I don't see too many high level BW players defining matchups like that.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 12 2011 20:10 GMT
#10
On December 13 2011 04:51 Horrde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 04:30 Pawsom wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:28 MisterD wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:23 Pawsom wrote:
Proof you were B+ on iccup


as you can see, the community has grown by quite a few idiots unfriendly people

other than that, well nothing too major. bunch of tourneys, ever growing viewer counts, business as usual pretty much, tons of "IM DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE IM 11 YEARS OLD AND 1ST PLACE IN BRONZE AND WANT TO BECOME PRO" blogs.

HOTS unit previews are out from last blizzcon, some BW pro teams disbanded. thats probably the most significant things.



Sorry, but the way he attempts to some-up a matchup in 3-4 words(that were hardly correct to begin with), and then asks for advice like it will be that simple, makes me really doubt he was ever B+ (which is really good, comparable to top masters)


I use the rule of 3 my friend. Subtract 3 levels when someone states their past pgt or iccup self-over-speculated ranking.

C+ (at best)


lol, that law applies to men saying how many women they have had sex with. And the opposite for women saying how many men they have had sex with.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
December 12 2011 20:14 GMT
#11
Did you ever get that retainer problem solved? Thats what I want to know.
Brood War forever!
atombombforpeace
Profile Joined December 2008
United States408 Posts
December 12 2011 20:21 GMT
#12
I remember back when streams starting coming out, Chill would have to question everybody's claim of their rank on iccup. Few people were actually as high as their claimed ranks
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
December 12 2011 20:22 GMT
#13
E-sports...it was ruined...
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
December 12 2011 20:28 GMT
#14
We killed eSports, finally.
Thank God and gunrun.
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
December 12 2011 20:29 GMT
#15
his iccup rank has absolutely NOTHING to do with the blog post so idk why its the focus of the comments
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 20:32:53
December 12 2011 20:32 GMT
#16
On December 13 2011 05:29 Rice wrote:
his iccup rank has absolutely NOTHING to do with the blog post so idk why its the focus of the comments



haha, yet my eyes immediately come to focus on that gigantic "B" when i first open the page and even now.
it honestly can't be helped, that's just how selective reading/writing works. you lack some sort of meat to what you're writing, and the reader makes up the rest.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 12 2011 20:39 GMT
#17
well I sure haven't missed you.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
DeeeJ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 20:54:04
December 12 2011 20:52 GMT
#18
Well guys, this blog pretty much became about my legitimate iccup rank than about SC2 Strategy... which is fine....

I got B+ on my account Meatpost[AoV] - Cant remember which season - record was like 120-70.

Unfortunately, that account was banned along with the proof. If you knew me, you know im not lying.

Also, got B (60-10) season after that, on G4i.MeyvN, which again was banned.

You guys can call me a liar, but if you knew me, you know im not lying



Had mediocre skills, but was way to BM to keep my accounts back in the day
DeeeJ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States65 Posts
December 12 2011 20:52 GMT
#19
On December 13 2011 05:14 Kralic wrote:
Did you ever get that retainer problem solved? Thats what I want to know.



Roommates parents paid $345 in full,


Was actually awesome, dog tore apart my old retainer and got a brand new one for free
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 12 2011 21:01 GMT
#20
I dont know if you kept up with the gsl's at all but you should check out nestea vs sc game 5 from the may gsl. Its a match i think everyone should watch cause its fucking amazing lol. Hope you get back into the flow sir <3
Greed leads to just about all losses.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#120
RotterdaM1267
IndyStarCraft 188
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1267
mouzHeroMarine 411
IndyStarCraft 188
EmSc Tv 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11672
firebathero 118
Dewaltoss 109
GoRush 11
Dota 2
420jenkins207
League of Legends
JimRising 512
Counter-Strike
fl0m2162
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2716
Liquid`Hasu345
Other Games
FrodaN2184
shahzam393
ArmadaUGS151
Trikslyr52
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream6239
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 537
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
angryscii 6
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 17
• blackmanpl 17
• FirePhoenix7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV306
League of Legends
• Nemesis4399
• Scarra1138
Other Games
• Shiphtur403
Upcoming Events
Douyu Cup 2020
9h 39m
Maestros of the Game
17h 9m
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
18h 39m
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 9h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 18h
Online Event
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
Bombastic Starleague
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
OSC
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Bombastic Starleague
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.