• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:55
CEST 09:55
KST 16:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1832 users

Help in Silver?

Blogs > LantisPlay
Post a Reply
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
December 03 2011 10:28 GMT
#1
Hello guys, from my previous blog posts, I've been working very hard on my macro from 3 rax aggression as mentioned in the thread "Accelerated learning for low/mid level terrans"

It's a basic 3 rax stim timing push that I've been using for every game to get me up to Silver from bronze, at silver, it simply just stops working. I've been having trouble with it for every single matchup.

For TvT, the opponent simply goes a bunch of tanks, and turtle deep inside his base, there goes my 3 rax aggression.

TvP, this is the only matchup which the 3 rax works against pretty decently, I have very little problems with TvP, unless the opponent goes for a bunch of cannons and void rays. (Happens pretty often too)

TvZ, opponent just gets a whole bunch of zerglings to nullify my entire army after I pushed out. If I keep the zerg contained, mutas just pop out and rape my entire base, and since the build is heavily marauder based, I got only a handful of marines to counter. If I were to counter attack, it simply destroys my entire army with more zerglings too.


Considering that I'm already in Silver and not Bronze, any other builds/openings that I should be learning other than the 3 rax? I read on a few threads that to establish oneself in Silver league, I gotta learn more macro oriented builds.

I tried learning the reaper expand, but perhaps I'm doing it wrong because my minerals simply just float at 1k+ after I expand without much production.

There's this other FE build from Liquidpedia called the 3 bunker expand, I could pull that off pretty well, but I wonder why is it not commonly used...

The problem for me now is, I don't know how to carry on from the FE or after any openings that I do.

Sorry that I got no replays to post this time, I forgot to save it and when I looked into the folder it wasn't autosaved as well... I'll post up a few replays of my games soon...

I'll be flying overseas from now till 17th Dec though. (I don't think any of you reading my TL blog would care about this)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 11:32:30
December 03 2011 11:31 GMT
#2
First off I'll just say the obvious: you're in silver, just work on macro, then you can a-move and pretty much always win. Don't miss depots, constantly produce units, constantly produce scvs etc...But putting that aside, I know exactly what you mean, here's some advice:

So now you're at a point where you need to know what to do after your 3 rax doesn't kill the opponent outright:

The answer is to take your expansion (which i assume you do) and don't try and press your advantage by going for a killing blow - eg, if it is TvT and your opponent has tanks at the top of his ramp, it's probably not a good idea to run up and try to kill him. Instead, tech toward tanks yourself (or whatever you want) so that when he finally moves out you can crush him.

Essentially, if your opening (in this case, 3 rax) has given you an advantage (in this case, map control and an expansion), then use that advantage to get more ahead - ie, tech and/or take more expansions. Tech is usually the good option here (assuming you're already a base ahead), as for your opponent to push out, they will need tech of their own - ie tanks, banelings/mutas, immortals/collosus. Don't take any big risks, just focus on your macro and keep an eye out for harassment or allins as it is often the only way for your opponent to get back into the game.

Day[9] did a podcast on this actually...
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/zatic/Day90004HOP1WinWithAdvantage.mp3

1. Have a plan (ie what you're teching to, how many bases you want compared to your opponent...)
2. Scout every expansion on the map
3. Don't try to win immediately with a big attack (unless you know you can)
4. Protect yourself from harassment, don't harass (you risk losing your advantage if your harassment gets shut down)

Hope it helps!
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
December 03 2011 11:57 GMT
#3
Thanks for the advice HickleStine! I'll definitely try out what you mentioned above. That was very useful information that you provided.
HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
December 03 2011 12:47 GMT
#4
No problem - I have often felt the same way in my play, and this advice is valid whether you're 3 raxing or doing a midgame timing push or turtling or in the late late game or pretty much anything at all. Glad to be of help!
topschutter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands93 Posts
December 03 2011 14:19 GMT
#5
Like Desrow says, just play more
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech69
OGKoka 10
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 1290
actioN 917
PianO 185
Leta 163
Dewaltoss 67
soO 66
Sharp 49
Noble 42
Sacsri 16
NaDa 13
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm138
XcaliburYe85
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K717
allub175
olofmeister1
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King34
Other Games
ceh9396
C9.Mang0331
XaKoH 181
SortOf116
Pyrionflax86
Trikslyr23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick440
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 33
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1184
• Stunt485
• HappyZerGling132
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
3h 5m
OSC
11h 5m
RSL Revival
1d 2h
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
1d 5h
RSL Revival
2 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.