• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:23
CEST 03:23
KST 10:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists11[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers10Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced9Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail0MaNa leaves Team Liquid19
StarCraft 2
General
2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1878 users

Help in Silver?

Blogs > LantisPlay
Post a Reply
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
December 03 2011 10:28 GMT
#1
Hello guys, from my previous blog posts, I've been working very hard on my macro from 3 rax aggression as mentioned in the thread "Accelerated learning for low/mid level terrans"

It's a basic 3 rax stim timing push that I've been using for every game to get me up to Silver from bronze, at silver, it simply just stops working. I've been having trouble with it for every single matchup.

For TvT, the opponent simply goes a bunch of tanks, and turtle deep inside his base, there goes my 3 rax aggression.

TvP, this is the only matchup which the 3 rax works against pretty decently, I have very little problems with TvP, unless the opponent goes for a bunch of cannons and void rays. (Happens pretty often too)

TvZ, opponent just gets a whole bunch of zerglings to nullify my entire army after I pushed out. If I keep the zerg contained, mutas just pop out and rape my entire base, and since the build is heavily marauder based, I got only a handful of marines to counter. If I were to counter attack, it simply destroys my entire army with more zerglings too.


Considering that I'm already in Silver and not Bronze, any other builds/openings that I should be learning other than the 3 rax? I read on a few threads that to establish oneself in Silver league, I gotta learn more macro oriented builds.

I tried learning the reaper expand, but perhaps I'm doing it wrong because my minerals simply just float at 1k+ after I expand without much production.

There's this other FE build from Liquidpedia called the 3 bunker expand, I could pull that off pretty well, but I wonder why is it not commonly used...

The problem for me now is, I don't know how to carry on from the FE or after any openings that I do.

Sorry that I got no replays to post this time, I forgot to save it and when I looked into the folder it wasn't autosaved as well... I'll post up a few replays of my games soon...

I'll be flying overseas from now till 17th Dec though. (I don't think any of you reading my TL blog would care about this)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 11:32:30
December 03 2011 11:31 GMT
#2
First off I'll just say the obvious: you're in silver, just work on macro, then you can a-move and pretty much always win. Don't miss depots, constantly produce units, constantly produce scvs etc...But putting that aside, I know exactly what you mean, here's some advice:

So now you're at a point where you need to know what to do after your 3 rax doesn't kill the opponent outright:

The answer is to take your expansion (which i assume you do) and don't try and press your advantage by going for a killing blow - eg, if it is TvT and your opponent has tanks at the top of his ramp, it's probably not a good idea to run up and try to kill him. Instead, tech toward tanks yourself (or whatever you want) so that when he finally moves out you can crush him.

Essentially, if your opening (in this case, 3 rax) has given you an advantage (in this case, map control and an expansion), then use that advantage to get more ahead - ie, tech and/or take more expansions. Tech is usually the good option here (assuming you're already a base ahead), as for your opponent to push out, they will need tech of their own - ie tanks, banelings/mutas, immortals/collosus. Don't take any big risks, just focus on your macro and keep an eye out for harassment or allins as it is often the only way for your opponent to get back into the game.

Day[9] did a podcast on this actually...
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/zatic/Day90004HOP1WinWithAdvantage.mp3

1. Have a plan (ie what you're teching to, how many bases you want compared to your opponent...)
2. Scout every expansion on the map
3. Don't try to win immediately with a big attack (unless you know you can)
4. Protect yourself from harassment, don't harass (you risk losing your advantage if your harassment gets shut down)

Hope it helps!
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
December 03 2011 11:57 GMT
#3
Thanks for the advice HickleStine! I'll definitely try out what you mentioned above. That was very useful information that you provided.
HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
December 03 2011 12:47 GMT
#4
No problem - I have often felt the same way in my play, and this advice is valid whether you're 3 raxing or doing a midgame timing push or turtling or in the late late game or pretty much anything at all. Glad to be of help!
topschutter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands93 Posts
December 03 2011 14:19 GMT
#5
Like Desrow says, just play more
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
GSL CK #3: Rogue vs SHIN
CranKy Ducklings84
EnkiAlexander 56
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft312
SpeCial 194
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5832
Artosis 666
NaDa 14
LancerX 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever338
canceldota225
NeuroSwarm75
Counter-Strike
taco 490
minikerr1
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1046
Other Games
summit1g11619
tarik_tv5081
Day[9].tv986
C9.Mang0561
shahzam474
Trikslyr186
WinterStarcraft182
JimRising 104
Maynarde93
ViBE58
ROOTCatZ9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1032
Counter-Strike
PGL75
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 76
• Sammyuel 42
• davetesta20
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 27
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4135
• Stunt137
Other Games
• Day9tv986
• Scarra946
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
8h 37m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
9h 37m
CranKy Ducklings
22h 37m
Escore
1d 8h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 9h
OSC
1d 13h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
IPSL
2 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL
3 days
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-14
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.