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I seem to have a hard time sitting down and playing multiple games (10-20+) at a time.
I struggle to maintain a decent streak of wins and seem to lose way more then I win.
Not only that But i tend to lose to the silliest things on ladder, multiple assortments of cheese and stupid mistakes on my part.
I used to think that I had just hit my limit on ladder and that I had stopped improving and that I was maybe even getting worse.
But one thing I noticed, I can play 5-10 games a day taking my time with breaks in between each and can string together these wonderful ladder-runs where I feel unbeatable facing off against high-master's and GM's alike.
Here's what a Win streak looks like when I take my time throughout the day
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H6XFm.jpg)
And here's what a losing streak looks like when i sit down and commit myself to play game after game after game
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RxFfL.jpg)
I want to become the best SC2 player I can be, and from what I hear you have to be able to sit down for hours on end and keep slamming out games. Idk how I can do this if every time I attempt to I can do nothing but lose. I would keep at it anyway but sometimes it can be so de-motivational to watch my ladder rank plummet as I drop 100-200 points on ladder until i decide to cease the mass-gaming and spend the following week slowly working my way up to the top
Does this happen to anyone else?
Any advice? Tips? Words of wisdom?
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I suck at it. Except when my friend's online and he wants to play 2v2. I'm fine with playing with my friend, but when I'm alone, I have trouble... Mostly because I know I'm bad and I don't actually care enough to improve...
BTW, why do you care about points? Find out why and if it's a dumb reason, that might help you mass game.
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Who cares if you're losing? I thought you were playing to get better?
That's the mindset you should be having. As long as you're not on tilt, and as long as there's something worth studying and improving through playing, keep playing.
I think people miss this, but the point of mass laddering(for top players) is to work out the build. You play it to see what problems come up, and then go back at the end of a session to see what you can fix. For most of us who aren't tip top, mass laddering helps improve mechanics, but there comes a point where taking time off to refine a build and improving your macro is more important (better allocation of time) than improving mechanics and decision making.
Also, watch your replays more.
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Why do you go on losing streaks when you play for a long time? Do you get physically tired, or do you lose focus?
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On December 02 2011 11:41 phiinix wrote:
Who cares if you're losing? I thought you were playing to get better?
That's the mindset you should be having. As long as you're not on tilt, and as long as there's something worth studying and improving through playing, keep playing.
I think people miss this, but the point of mass laddering(for top players) is to work out the build. You play it to see what problems come up, and then go back at the end of a session to see what you can fix. For most of us who aren't tip top, mass laddering helps improve mechanics, but there comes a point where taking time off to refine a build and improving your macro is more important (better allocation of time) than improving mechanics and decision making.
Also, watch your replays more.
^ this.
Don't worry about losing 100-200 pts it honestly means nothing, unless your an idiot you will always be improving from playing, win or loss. Mass gaming can almost never hurt unless it's in huge excess or your not taking time to understand why your losing games.
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On December 02 2011 11:41 phiinix wrote:
Who cares if you're losing? I thought you were playing to get better?
That's the mindset you should be having. As long as you're not on tilt, and as long as there's something worth studying and improving through playing, keep playing.
I think people miss this, but the point of mass laddering(for top players) is to work out the build. You play it to see what problems come up, and then go back at the end of a session to see what you can fix. For most of us who aren't tip top, mass laddering helps improve mechanics, but there comes a point where taking time off to refine a build and improving your macro is more important (better allocation of time) than improving mechanics and decision making.
Also, watch your replays more.
I watch my replays alot, being at a higher level on ladder means i lose alot more just because of a small mistake, Like not leaving a stalker at watch tower to see when a terran moves out. Or getting supply blocked right when terran goes for Marine/SCV all-in (2 examples of why I lost today)
Thing is, Sometimes I feel like I'm on tilt, and other times I just feel really unlucky or like im having a bad day (not sure if there is a difference)
On December 02 2011 11:41 Rostam wrote:
Why do you go on losing streaks when you play for a long time? Do you get physically tired, or do you lose focus?
Idk, sometimes it could be fatigue, but I would hope that after the year and half I've spent playing this game, I can play 10 in a row without going on some massive brainfart losing streak
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its prolly a cultural thing. I think if esports was big in Mexico we'd see Korean grade pros soon enough.
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that being said Korean practice model is also pretty bad.
Not a single person in any serious sport whos routine would consist of 12 hours of the same shit a day.
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You know I have no experience in this department, but I'll suggest this. Try playing a comfortable amount of games, and take breaks as usual, but slowly decrease the time between breaks. Unless you absolutely love the game, you won't be able to sit down with it for a long, long time. Someone who didn't love Skyrim wouldn't have clocked 52 hours played on release weekend, and I think that someone who doesn't love SC2 and laddering won't be able to clock 3+ productive hours in a day.
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stop cheesing me on ladder and play to get better
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Ya, Smurf cheeses more than Pride.
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"No gg, no skill" -WhiteRa
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Just learn to not care about ladder. Not caring about ladder is a great first step. Remember, you are trying to get good via the ladder, not win. Heck, Nestea used to GG whenever his queens had more than 50 energy, and look at his injects now! After that, learn to use your builds until you can do them in your sleep. Getting supply blocked isn't something that should happen, ever. In between ladder games, look at your replays, find the mistakes and then prioritize on not making them next game. After all, you don't play to win, you play to get better. Also try to find stuff that isn't a mistake so much as a beneficial action that you should have done. Stuff like unit retention, or a better surround. Most importantly, stay comfy. Don't push yourself too hard. Even the pros know they need to take breaks or fall into massive slumps.
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alright im in the same exact dilemma as you're in so i'll just give you my 2 cents about it
when you go on those losing streaks just stop, you're definitely on tilt. it's not productive to play, even if you might feel otherwise. trust me on this. just give it a break, play something else or use another account. you'll be ready to play another time.
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On December 02 2011 14:32 TylerThaCreator wrote:
alright im in the same exact dilemma as you're in so i'll just give you my 2 cents about it
when you go on those losing streaks just stop, you're definitely on tilt. it's not productive to play, even if you might feel otherwise. trust me on this. just give it a break, play something else or use another account. you'll be ready to play another time.
no. fuck your rank and just keep on playing. being afraid of "tilting" is called ladder fear.
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I totally get what you mean. If I play for more than an hour or something I seriously just start going super downhill.
But don't worry about it man, just look at Stephano. Guy says he doesn't ever play more than 3-4 hours a day since he starts to lose if he does.
I think I feel very much like you. Btw, played you recently on ladder, I was VPSuppy  GG you deserved that win ^^
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When you think about it, it'll just bother you more. There's a reason not to look at a match history. Even if you're aware that you've lost x-amount of games, just keep playing. Ladder is meant to be climbed up, or down. If you're on tilt, just watch replays or find a practice partner, keep being productive, but don't be discouraged even after you know you were in a rut.
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Yea, i suppose I've gotten as far as I have by sucking it up and ignoring ladder rank and i should continue to do the same. I was just wondering if anyone else was effected so negatively by spamming out so many games at once.
Special thanks to Luckyfool and Suppy, always nice to have Ladder rivals show some positive support. Thanks to my friends who posted here as well.
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On December 02 2011 16:10 chingchong99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 14:32 TylerThaCreator wrote:
alright im in the same exact dilemma as you're in so i'll just give you my 2 cents about it
when you go on those losing streaks just stop, you're definitely on tilt. it's not productive to play, even if you might feel otherwise. trust me on this. just give it a break, play something else or use another account. you'll be ready to play another time. no. fuck your rank and just keep on playing. being afraid of "tilting" is called ladder fear.
I think there's a difference between ladder fear and not playing because you know you will not be productive. Massing games without a plan to improve is stupid; it's why some people can get to gm off a couple games a day and others mass thousands and aren't anywhere close.
If you're overly tired or upset, how much do you really think you're going to learn from your games. Chances are that your losses are from being dumb and making mechanical errors that would not normally occur. How are you going to learn from those games?
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I think it has to do with your tilting actually, see you play a bunch of games and go on a winning streak.
Once you feel like your losing too many games, you tilt yourself, much like Idra can do. Becoming a better player isn't about winning game after game, but improving your strats and mechanics. If you stop doing massive ladder runs and spend time with practise partners improving on what you are losing against, I don't think you will still have this problem. I find I go like winning 9 out of 10 games for a while and than get on a losing streak whether its due to mental fatigue or whatever, you just need to pace yourself, actually improve on the things that you need work on, and you will become the best player you can be,
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