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Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
November 30 2011 17:27 GMT
#21
Started with some promise, ended with a bunch of shit.

3/5 for the effort though
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 30 2011 17:29 GMT
#22
You make BW fans look bad.

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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 17:33:14
November 30 2011 17:32 GMT
#23
Let me add one more thing.

Setting the anti-SC2 bias aside, one of the main points of this blog (that the eSports scene is being driven from the top-down by business interests and isn't growing organically like the Korean BW scene did) is not a new one. What is new is that the OP is criticizing the model for being successful.
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 30 2011 17:33 GMT
#24
So you don't like sc2?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
November 30 2011 17:33 GMT
#25
On December 01 2011 02:29 Megaliskuu wrote:
You make BW fans look bad.


Yeah....
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 30 2011 17:35 GMT
#26
hi mmp.

I suspect this would've been better-received without all the "SC2 sucks" stuff... but you asked for it hehe. Or maybe you wrote that to filter out all the mindless fanboys who would just rage and leave before finishing the read? (Some SC2 fanboys did manage to finish the blog though!)

I guess I agree with your assessment that SC2 is still an eGame. A shiny, not-bad game with a lot of time and money invested into it (and I don't think you should just automatically discount that!), which makes it seem really popular and awesome (and maybe some think it is), but... it's a game. On the other hand, I'm not sure BW is that much more of a sport; match-fixing can occur as long as there's money being bet on the side.

And I agree somewhat with your main (?) point: that the concept of "eSports" is really just a (nearly) empty battle-cry to rally behind. It's good for game and competitive gamers to get bolder and try to become more mainstream; if they don't try, it's never going to happen! But I think a lot of people have some sort of (mis)conception that whatever game they're playing is the whole world and the most mainstream and nothing bad will ever happen to it, blah blah blah. Even BW is in its last breath; not sure SC2 can last much longer (after all the expansions are released) without the artificial support it's getting now...

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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 17:42:16
November 30 2011 17:39 GMT
#27
Good blog, even though i disagree with some of the points you made there are several good ideas in there.
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kammeyer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States275 Posts
November 30 2011 17:43 GMT
#28
Too many swooping generalizations to be a good blog.
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
November 30 2011 17:45 GMT
#29
On December 01 2011 01:45 mmp wrote:
Most of all, a real sport does not have a steering committee to shuffle the rules of the game on a monthly basis. Sports do not release expansion packs.


I'm not quite sure what you're going for here, since it certainly sounded like you considered BW an e-sport but not SC2. You remember that it took many balance patches and expansion pack to make SC1 the game it is, right? For that matter, you call chess a sport, but even chess is the (admittedly very long-standing) last game in a chain of related games lost to mists of history. Of course the rules of games change over time, that's true of ANY sport. Tennis is a sport, and has been around since the mid-late 19th century, but there wasn't a tie-breaker rule until the 70s... With a video game that change just happens very quickly at the beginning before things stabilize.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
November 30 2011 17:51 GMT
#30
5/5. You sir are a great and noble man.

Sports do not release expansion packs. Sports do not come with "intellectual property" restrictions and license agreements dictating how you may play and whom you may play with. Sports do not tolerate lag.


This a million times.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
November 30 2011 17:55 GMT
#31
On December 01 2011 01:45 mmp wrote:
Warning! Long meandering rant ahead!
[rest of OP]


I think this covers it?? Spare your breath, fair TLers, the hot air quota has been attained.
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
November 30 2011 17:56 GMT
#32
On December 01 2011 02:26 SenorChang wrote:
There are lots of things I don't enjoy but I don't make threads about them to belittle them and convince other people that they shouldn't like it either.

1/5 for the blog and quoting this because SenorChang basically covers my exact feelings reading this.
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Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
November 30 2011 17:56 GMT
#33
On December 01 2011 02:27 Battleaxe wrote:
Started with some promise, ended with a bunch of shit.

3/5 for the effort though


Pretty much this. There were some good points but they were buried in a pile of crap. I love it when random people in the internet tell me that I am in fact not having fun watching Starcraft, Im just pretending. Glad I can now drop my act and admit that this game is terrible and Ive been actually suffering the whole time Ive been watching/playing it, you saw right trough me. Right.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
November 30 2011 18:00 GMT
#34
noes, how dare you talk about sc2 like that
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D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
November 30 2011 18:00 GMT
#35
I dont like this blog at all. It makes pretty much all bad, very pessimistic.
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DtorR
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia171 Posts
November 30 2011 18:02 GMT
#36
After reading your rant, are you secretly screaming out to everyone involved in gaming to get a life? If you don't enjoy watching/playing a game or sport then that is fine just don't belittle fans of the game. However you do give some good points worth thinking about.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 18:05:14
November 30 2011 18:03 GMT
#37
I agree with a lot of your points about forced culture and entertainment platform etc but every game that became a sport went through periods where stuff was changed a lot and everyone sucked. Some guy didn't just write down the rules for Futbol perfectly the first time, for example.
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thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 18:07:01
November 30 2011 18:06 GMT
#38
Fixed it for you:
On December 01 2011 01:45 mmp wrote:
Warning! Long meaningless rant ahead!

You posted this 10 years early. Starcraft 2 is not hurting anything because it's still in it's infancy, it is trying to discover itself by doing so many different things and you are treating it as an adult. Waaaay to early man, cya in 10 years.
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Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
November 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#39
Just let the anger out man, it makes things easier. When you go down make sure you go down kicking and screaming, let everyone know that you fought till the very end. BW got less then 12 months left so make sure you are heard plenty before then.

Out of the ashes of a once great eSport a new king will be crowned. Yes it is going happen and no amount of arguing, kicking, screaming and crying will stop it. I could post a fine wall of text with wellwritten arguments like you did brave one, but how about I just end it with "Time will prove you wrong"
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
November 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#40
lolololllooollolololololol

User was warned for this post
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