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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 18:13:00
November 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#41
Disagree with most of what you wrote. For what I agree with, I then disagree with how you wrote it.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
November 30 2011 18:13 GMT
#42
I am reasonably confident that the Korean BW phenomenon, still an ongoing and beautiful thing will never ever be repeated. Ever.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
November 30 2011 18:31 GMT
#43
Man that King of Kong documentary creeps me out. Sad to say, but I bet my view of competitive arcade gaming is how a lot of people view our "esport". It looks like a bunch of old men with too much passion and not enough common sense. Hypocritically I think thats how some of us folks are with SC2, at least we got money in the game though.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 18:38:34
November 30 2011 18:37 GMT
#44
Oh god, after the first page, I was a little scared there for my fellow BW fans, I thought we had devolved into nodding our heads at any tripe that even briefly mentioned "how bad SC2 is". Page 2 saved my faith.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2011 18:40 GMT
#45
On December 01 2011 02:18 Kralic wrote:
Show nested quote +
What ever happened to fun gaming?


That is probably the best question/statement in this blog.

A lot of people are too worried about getting on a team and being pro, instead of just playing the game for fun.


Amen my brothers and sisters.

>:D
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
November 30 2011 18:55 GMT
#46
1. Commercial time can be saved with re-runs after the commercials. Think live stream with a delay as long as the commercial(s) have pushed back the live game. Thus, eSports can and should be broadcast on major television networks.

2. Video games are becoming more casual, and more people are accepting of them as a hobby. Hobbies have potential for extreme competition. The casual factor is evidenced by the Nintendo Wii, things like the Xbox's Kinect, and, relative to Brood War, SC2. This draws in a larger audience simply because of the accessibility. Even though SC2 will never see skill gaps as high as that between Flash and MVP, the increased accessibility is a plus for eSports because games like SC2 can become catalysts for increased viewership and corporate broadcasting, giving other games like BW a better chance to hit the mainstream.
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
November 30 2011 19:04 GMT
#47
Like someone once said: 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars.
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
November 30 2011 19:04 GMT
#48
Complete nonsense as are all of these herp derp let me tell you guys about ESPORTS threads.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
November 30 2011 19:09 GMT
#49
Decent blog. Meh
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 30 2011 19:13 GMT
#50
On December 01 2011 03:12 Archvil3 wrote:
Just let the anger out man, it makes things easier. When you go down make sure you go down kicking and screaming, let everyone know that you fought till the very end. BW got less then 12 months left so make sure you are heard plenty before then.

Out of the ashes of a once great eSport a new king will be crowned. Yes it is going happen and no amount of arguing, kicking, screaming and crying will stop it. I could post a fine wall of text with wellwritten arguments like you did brave one, but how about I just end it with "Time will prove you wrong"

I guess you're just kind of hoping that no one will remember you posted this in 12 months. I say you volunteer yourself for a ban if you're wrong. That would show some form of confidence in your otherwise bland and meaningless prediction.
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
November 30 2011 19:22 GMT
#51
There are some good points in here, but I feel like your argument was compromised by how much you appear to loathe SC2. Its come out sounding like the rant of a digruntled BW fan, rather than a serious consideration of SC2 as an esport.

You make it sound like SC2 is barely scrapping by as some kind of low quality, forced entertainment when really its growth feels a lot more organic and natural. You contend that SC2 should be happy with how far it is as a mediocore game, but I would argue that the SC2 scene will grow even further in the coming years. Whlie SC2 may not be as pure and perfect in form as BW, what really matters for it to grow as an esport is how much it is embraced by the community. And the community seems to be loving it right now.
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
November 30 2011 19:42 GMT
#52
eSports =/= sports

You're entire article now breaks down. Also I get the impression that you don't like SC2. Now stop pretending like your own opinion is shared by everyone.
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 19:42:39
November 30 2011 19:42 GMT
#53
On December 01 2011 03:12 Chill wrote:
Disagree with most of what you wrote. For what I agree with, I then disagree with how you wrote it.


This is exactly how I feel about this blog post. Instead of actually showing us some valid, unbiased criticism that is debatable and productive, you are making it easy on yourself by injecting an overdose of subjective negativity. Ridiculing everything that you don't like and declaring that the reason why SC2 is not an eSport makes for a poor argument to "prove your point".

Please refrain from posting such things in the blog section. If you are frustrated, alright I understand, but don't drag everyone else with you. My advice is to keep to yourself if you are unable to contribute to the Teamliquid blog section.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 19:50:10
November 30 2011 19:46 GMT
#54
On December 01 2011 04:42 Masayume wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 03:12 Chill wrote:
Disagree with most of what you wrote. For what I agree with, I then disagree with how you wrote it.


This is exactly how I feel about this blog post. Instead of actually showing us some valid, unbiased criticism that is debatable and productive, you are making it easy on yourself by injecting an overdose of subjective negativity. Ridiculing everything that you don't like and declaring that the reason why SC2 is not an eSport makes for a poor argument to "prove your point".

Please refrain from posting such things in the blog section. If you are frustrated, alright I understand, but don't drag everyone else with you. My advice is to keep to yourself if you are unable to contribute to the Teamliquid blog section.

lol wtf I don't agree with the points he is trying to make but he is contributing a hell of a lot more than most people who write here and who are you to tell him to not voice his opinion?
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Sgonzo
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 19:47:27
November 30 2011 19:46 GMT
#55
sound like a hater, you do know that everything you mentioned there can be play as competitively as the players make it, the reason why most things are popular these days is marketing anyways so this post was very un-enlightening just another person herp derping the games i like better then yours XD are cry cry. had enough of these type of blogs stop hating do something positive for eSports bro
When Keepin It Real Goes Wrong
wilsonreis
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil97 Posts
November 30 2011 19:47 GMT
#56
On December 01 2011 02:13 JDub wrote:
Okay, I am going to disagree with your ridiculous arguments/statements 1 at a time.


As it quite often comes out, this is an urge we should all learn to contain.
Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
November 30 2011 19:55 GMT
#57
Wow that documentary was incredible! :D
Masayume
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands208 Posts
November 30 2011 19:57 GMT
#58
On December 01 2011 04:46 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 04:42 Masayume wrote:
On December 01 2011 03:12 Chill wrote:
Disagree with most of what you wrote. For what I agree with, I then disagree with how you wrote it.


This is exactly how I feel about this blog post. Instead of actually showing us some valid, unbiased criticism that is debatable and productive, you are making it easy on yourself by injecting an overdose of subjective negativity. Ridiculing everything that you don't like and declaring that the reason why SC2 is not an eSport makes for a poor argument to "prove your point".

Please refrain from posting such things in the blog section. If you are frustrated, alright I understand, but don't drag everyone else with you. My advice is to keep to yourself if you are unable to contribute to the Teamliquid blog section.

lol wtf I don't agree with the points he is trying to make but he is contributing a hell of a lot more than most people who write here and who are you to tell him to not write here?


Is it really too much to ask for slightly more mature posts? Yes he does contribute more than the average person, but he does so in a way that invokes flame wars and all the sorts. I am merely stating that it's better to post this article without all the subjective negative comments that ridicule things that other people care about deeply. And if he can't do that, it would be better if he didn't post.

Please read my post again and consider for a moment. It is better to try and encourage more constructive posts, then to just flame at him or letting these posts become the standard. This is my opinion and of course yours may differ. But as of late the posts on the forum and the blog section just seem to degrade in quality more and more. It should be more about constructive, positive posts. I might have worded it a bit ambiguous in my previous post though, my apologies.
Balance. Enjoy the process instead of focusing on musts.
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
November 30 2011 19:58 GMT
#59
Ah, more SC2 bashing using personal opinion as evidence of fact. Except 10 times longer than usual.

You just insulted StarCraft 2, American football, and stock car racing (presumably NASCAR) in your post as somehow not legitimate. I won't pretend to like the latter two, but I know both draw millions of fans who know way more about the sports than I do, many of whom are intelligent and can tell you exactly why they like to watch these sports and how much skill is required. Your ignorance to fact isn't a reason why these sports aren't legitimate.
Logic is Overrated
Sgonzo
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada202 Posts
November 30 2011 20:00 GMT
#60
On December 01 2011 02:07 Carapas wrote:
I don't think golf has the WOW factor you're talking about... 99% of the time it's just meh, then it's spectacular when the guy makes a hole in 1. Overall I thought that your comprehension of sport was pretty low and why did you felt the urge to give us your opinion when no one obviously care...


^ agree it seemed to me that you already were not that interested in most sports aswell, stock car racing cannot be compared to rally car racing because they're basic skills needed are completely different, stock cars are all about pacing and passing, rally cars you ahve to pay attention more or less to your route and the terrain and being able to navigate the difficult terrain and having working car rather then ensuring that your pitting at right times or conserving gas properly....... overall you make comparisons betweeen things that cant be compared, maybe do two leagues of the same sport but then all the pro leagues have good skill in their respective countries..... if there isnt the skill base there they dont have a pro league simple
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