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Weird mouth movements when playing

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Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 02:58:21
November 29 2011 02:57 GMT
#1
Ugghhhhh. I have so got stop this SOON. I'm about to play a cello piece in front of 500+ people, and upon taking a small video of myself, I realized I make the most absurd mouth movements while playing, ESPECIALLY when shifting. It baffles my mind how I ever developed this habit unnoticed, but I need to break it in 2 weeks. It basically comes down to mouth tension, i just wish it had manifested itself in a less retarded way. Any ideas on how to stop this stupid crap NOW? Obviously if I focus on it, I can stop, but as soon as I'm not paying attention, I'll notice my mouth doing stupid crap again....and i know I won't paying attention to my mouth in front of 500 people................

Edit: can a mod please change the title of this to MOUTH movements?? -_-

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Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
November 29 2011 03:04 GMT
#2
Well on the bright side, if you good people will not care of your mouth movements. They might even think its the sign of a great cello player :O
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 29 2011 03:05 GMT
#3
could you upload a video? maybe it isn't that big of a deal.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
November 29 2011 03:07 GMT
#4
I make weird mouth movements when I play the violin, I don't know why. Don't worry too much about it, people won't notice.
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
November 29 2011 03:08 GMT
#5
The title says moths, and inferred that moths were in some way perturbed by your playing sc2 due to the context of this site. I was terrified. Moths are scary things, god help us when they become sentient.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:17:34
November 29 2011 03:14 GMT
#6
Don't worry about it, if anything I think it will give them something else to remember.

solo starts around 4:20 or so


Or you could do it like her, throw in a smoke screen hahaha so people won't notice that you have weird moth movements only during chord changes

All in all, not playing like a robot and being free and more .. human like really pleases audiences a lot, I know I like to see a performer freely expressing himself rather than one who's stone cold.

Unless you're a classical musician playing with an orchestra.....

In which case no one will notice you anyways hahahaha

Then again it can be a way to get everyone to notice you hahahahaha
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24680 Posts
November 29 2011 03:18 GMT
#7
Fixed multiple spelling errors in the title :/
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
November 29 2011 03:32 GMT
#8
Why did I picture someone drooling on a keyboard when I read the title? Actually, given that is what I pictured, why did I click this blog

On topic: grats on being a cello-baller, who gives a fuck what your mouth looks like.
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ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 29 2011 03:38 GMT
#9
I don't think its a problem, just natural expression. Everyone does it differently, in fact some of the best classical musicians look like they are having a stroke on stage when they play. If anything it just adds to the emotion of the piece you are performing, you shouldn't be so negative about it :p
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Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
November 29 2011 03:41 GMT
#10
On November 29 2011 12:38 ZoW wrote:
I don't think its a problem, just natural expression. Everyone does it differently, in fact some of the best classical musicians look like they are having a stroke on stage when they play. If anything it just adds to the emotion of the piece you are performing, you shouldn't be so negative about it :p

No...seriously, this isn't emotion, this looks like a fish gasping for air. I refuse to upload a video, lol.




And thanks mr. mod for the title edit. I typed it very angrily. :-p
mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
November 29 2011 03:42 GMT
#11
It may just be a new habit. Look up Habit - reversal training. I used it for my Tourettes(Spelling ). It didnt really help to much because thats not going away. Dont worry about people making fun of you cause the way you are though. Being in high school, Ive had to deal with all kinds of stupid fucks.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
November 29 2011 03:46 GMT
#12
Definitely do weird things with my tongue while playing guitar. I don't think its that uncommon to be honest.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 04:03:10
November 29 2011 04:03 GMT
#13
Thought you were talking about while playing video games, this jumped to mind -

Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Colpan
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States196 Posts
November 29 2011 04:12 GMT
#14

This is first thing I thought of
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 29 2011 04:36 GMT
#15
Just play like yoyoma and no one will care about your facial contusions.

You still in 1400s in hon?
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Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
November 29 2011 04:47 GMT
#16
On November 29 2011 13:36 FinestHour wrote:
Just play like yoyoma and no one will care about your facial contusions.

You still in 1400s in hon?

I never was 1400s. 1550 for life.
conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 08:11:03
November 29 2011 05:30 GMT
#17
Without seeing or hearing you play it's impossible to get a full sense of what the issue is, so take this all with a grain of salt and consult with your private lessons teacher if you have one.

Facial twitches like what you're describing in my experience are caused by unnecessary tension, as you said. However the tension is probably not isolated to your mouth or face. Besides fixing silly facial expressions, identifying when and where you tense up is also likely to improve your actual playing. As for solutions, the fix is probably reworking some part of your technique and/or just focusing on keeping yourself from tensing up for at least part of the practice session. What I don’t recommend is simply concentrating on not twitching while you play, which will likely make you tense up more, instead focus on avoiding the tension that causes the twitching in the first place, if that makes sense.

A disclaimer: tackling underlying technical issues before a performance is not a good idea. Focusing on reducing nerves and tension and on staying loose and relaxed is fine, but if you decide the problem is partly caused by your bow arm or whatever don’t try to fix that until after the performance.

I also think you need to come to terms with the fact that this is probably not a problem you’re going to solve completely by the day of the performance, but rather something you will sort out over the long term. Furthermore since tension increases with stress and nerves the problem is likely to be worse during the performance than during a normal practice session. Honestly I wouldn’t freak out too much though: 1) it's probably not nearly as big a deal as you think it is, even if it looks a little silly, and 2) regardless of the venue if the audience is going to be as large as 500, it’s unlikely that more than a fraction of them will have a good view of your face anyways. Aside from making sure you have the piece down completely, I would recommend you continue focusing on not letting yourself tense up during practice. Two weeks of that and you should see some progress. It would be particularly helpful for you to perform for friends and family or whatever as much as you can before the big day.

Best of luck with your performance. Out of curiosity, what piece are you playing?
Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
November 29 2011 07:34 GMT
#18
If in all your years of playing Cello, you have never noticed, or no one has ever mentioned, that you twitch while playing your instrument, I doubt a single person will even notice when you're on stage. It sounds like you're nervous about the performance, and are hyperfocusing on something rather insignificant.
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 12:55:17
November 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#19
On November 29 2011 14:30 conTAgi0n wrote:
Without seeing or hearing you play it's impossible to get a full sense of what the issue is, so take this all with a grain of salt and consult with your private lessons teacher if you have one.

Facial twitches like what you're describing in my experience are caused by unnecessary tension, as you said. However the tension is probably not isolated to your mouth or face. Besides fixing silly facial expressions, identifying when and where you tense up is also likely to improve your actual playing. As for solutions, the fix is probably reworking some part of your technique and/or just focusing on keeping yourself from tensing up for at least part of the practice session. What I don’t recommend is simply concentrating on not twitching while you play, which will likely make you tense up more, instead focus on avoiding the tension that causes the twitching in the first place, if that makes sense.

A disclaimer: tackling underlying technical issues before a performance is not a good idea. Focusing on reducing nerves and tension and on staying loose and relaxed is fine, but if you decide the problem is partly caused by your bow arm or whatever don’t try to fix that until after the performance.

I also think you need to come to terms with the fact that this is probably not a problem you’re going to solve completely by the day of the performance, but rather something you will sort out over the long term. Furthermore since tension increases with stress and nerves the problem is likely to be worse during the performance than during a normal practice session. Honestly I wouldn’t freak out too much though: 1) it's probably not nearly as big a deal as you think it is, even if it looks a little silly, and 2) regardless of the venue if the audience is going to be as large as 500, it’s unlikely that more than a fraction of them will have a good view of your face anyways. Aside from making sure you have the piece down completely, I would recommend you continue focusing on not letting yourself tense up during practice. Two weeks of that and you should see some progress. It would be particularly helpful for you to perform for friends and family or whatever as much as you can before the big day.

Best of luck with your performance. Out of curiosity, what piece are you playing?

The piece I'm playing in two weeks is not difficult at all, it's just an opener for a Christmas program at a church, it's "The First Noel", and is a trio with a piano and violin. A couple weeks after that, however, I'm playing the Boccherini cello sonata duet in C for a recital, although not in front of 500 people, lol. I'm a bit more worried about that tbh, as although obviously I've practiced that a lot more, there are a lot of weird shifts and thumb position in there, and that is what really makes me tense up.

What you are saying is undoubtably correct, I know when i just focus on being incredibly relaxed and peaceful, I have zero problems with it, and don't have to focus on it specifically. I know I also play much better, hit my shifts/etc when playing relaxed. But everyone knows that playing relaxed(or at least appearing to) is one of the harder musical "techniques" to master, especially in front of people. I've played piano in front of people many times, so crowds/audiences aren't too intimidating to me, but this will be my first time playing cello in front of that many people, so I'm probably over-analyzing. But I'll probably bury my face in my cello/music, and let the violinist/pianist carry the emotion part. :-p

On November 29 2011 16:34 Sporadic44 wrote:
If in all your years of playing Cello, you have never noticed, or no one has ever mentioned, that you twitch while playing your instrument, I doubt a single person will even notice when you're on stage. It sounds like you're nervous about the performance, and are hyperfocusing on something rather insignificant.



I've only been playing for a year and a half, and not "professionally" in a any sense of the word, I just randomly decided to get one and start taking lessons a year and a half ago, and enjoy it so much i haven't quit yet, and probably never will. I've put too much money into it to just quit now, and it's still too fun. And it's not a twitch, I'm basically making a really tensed up duckface. -_-
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