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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
November 27 2011 12:35 GMT
#21
Aw Navi's reply so sweet
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 27 2011 12:41 GMT
#22
Aw NeverGG. If I had ever spoken to you before I'd say stop feeling down and remember all the people you've met on TL. I guess I'll say that anyway.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
November 27 2011 12:56 GMT
#23
I don't have much to say, being rather inexperienced in social relations, but I think its never too late to break new ground, and while trying to make new friends is terrifying, you should recognise the same qualities which make you interesting online will make you interesting in real life. You are as worthwhile to your friends as they are to you.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 27 2011 13:15 GMT
#24
Come to the GSL finals barcraft and say hi, we met once before and I need foreigner friends here too
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
November 27 2011 13:45 GMT
#25
Fuck man, 27 is when life is at its height. I know! I'm at the same age! I'm making more friends than I ever have before! Everyone is having fun. Too bad we don't live in the same city. I'd have to take you out a few nights. We could hit the dance floor or something. Everyone pretends they're too shy and serious for that shit, but with a few drinks, rolling around with friends, and the when the music starts everyone has a good time.

Forget all this bullshit advice in here about "man up", or worse, people giving you some kind of psychological help. Start small, work your way up, let your circle of friends grow. I got no fucking idea how shit works in Korea, but I'm sure it's pretty universal that if you start going out to dinner with people, grabbing lunch, spontaneous opportunities snowball.

Everyone loves genuine friends. And being one is fucking easy. Help other people out, give them complements, watch their back when they're getting poleaxed. 90% of people love making new friends. Shit, you can even just start off with smiling. Everyone loves having random people smile at them.
Zex.317
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
November 27 2011 15:11 GMT
#26
If you're every feeling like the odd one out I think that there's something to remember. That's that everyone gets to feel like that at some point. Sometimes people don't like to be reminded of that which might be the disinterest in your audience but I've watched enough about stand up comics, and actors to be reminded that even the best, people like George Carlin, Robin Williams, Bill Hick and Steve Martin, would have times where they'd talk to like 10 people in a small room no one would laugh and they'd have to shake off how bad that felt, That's why they talk about "killing" or "getting killed' in a comedian's performance cause when you do well you've conquered a beast but when you do poorly you want to die.

The hardest part is getting back up when things take a turn for the worse but I think you'll be able to do it with a little bit of time. Time heals all wound is a bad cliche but the worst things in my life that make me feel like a bastard for months go away a little bit at a time so that they're now only faded scars that only I remember. Sometimes you just have to give it some time, and maybe some alcohal. Preferably something that doesn't burn on the way down.
Equivalent exchange is the principle of most import
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
November 27 2011 15:35 GMT
#27
I'll buy you a drink and cheer you up once i'm in Seoul ^^
One mussn't feel like that
twitter@RickyMarou
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
November 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#28
I know that being "social" doesn't come easily to you, but keep trying. Stop automatically thinking that they will hate you, maybe those looks of "disgust and confusion" were actually not that - maybe they were just trying to understand what you were saying. Did anyone put you down because of it? Did they tell you that they thought what you did in Seoul was bad? I think you perceive things too negatively

I've hung out with you before, you're fun! You're a bit weird and crazy but so am I and we both make some pretty terrible decisions too (ahem, pizza hut, ahem). But honestly, you're not as unlikable as you make yourself out to be!

<3
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
November 27 2011 16:12 GMT
#29
"At this point in my life (aged 27) I already feel as if the chance to date/have friends has passed. That's kind of weird, right?
" thats not true. I`m 32 and still meet new people who I like to spend my time with. Don`t stop being open and the rest will come naturally.
keep it deep! @zulison
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
November 27 2011 16:17 GMT
#30
I've had this happen to a friend and for her it worked itself out once she got a job working with some people she could respect/trust etc.

For you, the answer seems quite apparent if i'm honest - the foreign eSports scene is growing bigger than ever, the photo threads are always appreciated. Cover some foreign events, meet some of the new people that have joined the scene.

Or don't. But then i'd suggest leaving Korea and getting a job somewhere with colleagues that speak your language and are about your age. If that's teaching or something else, doesn't matter so much. The friend i was talking about has an impressive alma mater yet was more happy at a job that required more or less no qualifications but still attracted people who were a lot smarter than in Uni.

Meh, i dunno. You're good at writing, you're good at photography, you're established in Korea. Every foreign organization should be drooling over the opportunity of having you do coverage. No offense to CSN but professional is not the word i'd use to describe their content and they still get by. If you wanted to i'm sure you'd be able to as well.
TheLOLas
Profile Joined May 2011
United States646 Posts
November 27 2011 16:26 GMT
#31
I completely agree with you on everything. I have very few real life friends and of them I only like about 2. I would also like to submit that this is why the internet is so fantastic. It is a great meeting ground for people with similar interests and ideas. That is why you would be accepted here on TL and not in a room full of your piers.
xY
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada19 Posts
November 27 2011 16:49 GMT
#32
Hey! You sound like you're having a tough time. I don't have much to offer you but you should always feel confident in yourself; no one wants to be around someone who accepts their isolation. Just go out and stop worrying too much. There's people that can accept you and there's always those that won't. Don't be bummed out just because a particular group of people because there's much more in the world than just them.

tl;dr Just do what you love and be proud of it.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 16:56:59
November 27 2011 16:51 GMT
#33
Didn't I already give you advice before?

Sounds like you didn't use it and just procrastinated about it instead. ._.

Anyway, I'll be sure to give you a ring when my travel plans to Korea get sorted out.

This whole you against the world mentality has got to stop eventually. Everyone has their own quirks and you are no different me lady.

On November 28 2011 00:57 lilsusie wrote:
Stop automatically thinking that they will hate you, maybe those looks of "disgust and confusion" were actually not that.


Decent advice,

Improv can be a great tool in these scenarios. Stop yourself from self-criticism; stop projecting images onto others. Instead try telling yourself, "Yes, let's!" You'll soon find yourself having more opportunities.

ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
November 28 2011 02:32 GMT
#34
I think it's just something you have to push through. I'm not exactly the smoothest socializer myself, two things I've found:
1. A lot of it is over-thinking/paranoia, people don't really spend that much attention and time effort judging you.
2. Some awkwardness is natural. Even among good friends, there are weird quirks and clashing personalities. At the start, there is nothing else but initial judgements and awkwardness, but as you push through and build on the positives they become proportionally less significant.

You obviously have a lot to offer, based off how much you've connected on and impacted TL. Not all relations will work, but don't doubt yourself
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
November 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#35
as someone said before, change is almost 100% about conditioning yourself, just like when working a muscle. when you go to the gym and you try to bench 100 lbs on the first day, you'll likely get crushed (unless you got a chest like AHNOLD). if you really struggle with approaching strangers (i can relate), then consider that to be your 100 lbs. bench press. try something a little easier and work your way up to that long awaited goal of not only talking to a stranger, but making them into a friend.

you say you lost contact with your old friends, but have you tried contacting them at all recently? they might not approach you first, but does that mean that they don't want to hear from you? i mean, if you don't contact them, and they don't contact you, who's to say that you're both not in the same boat?

what i'm basically saying is to break out of your comfort zone, even if its a teeny tiny bit. i'm sure you will often be surprised how different the outcome will be compared to the way you imagined it. confidence isn't something that you are or aren't born with. all you have to do is be aware that you're struggling with it and take the appropriate steps toward change.

i'm in a similar boat, so i know where you're coming from. this is all stuff that i've forced myself to think about in the past and as of late, because i also feel out of place most of the time.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
November 28 2011 07:56 GMT
#36
Thanks for all the advice and comments. I had a chat via skype to a friend who lifted my spirits. I'm working out a list of goals right now, and have decided to go to Barcraft Seoul on the 3rd to have another crack at socializing. I'll reply to the pms I got tonight. I'll also reply to the questions people left after work.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 08:35:59
November 28 2011 08:24 GMT
#37
On November 27 2011 18:41 NeverGG wrote:
Something which happened recently made me feel quite isolated. I stood up in front of a couple of hundred strangers (around the same age as me give or take a few years either way.) to speak about a personal experience of mine in SK. I mentioned how eSports has helped me to connect and communicate with others (even though I lack social skills and have no self-esteem at all.) Instead of people accepting this I noticed looks of disgust and/or confusion from the others in the audience (especially my fellow women.) Instead of sitting down feeling happy to have shared it only reminded me that since I backed away from my old group of friends a couple of years back I've felt like I am some kind of hermit.


What you happened to you during your speech is two things combined.

First is It's partially in your head. Due to having lacking self-esteem as you stated you automatically only see/assume the worst. This is the biggest perpetually defeating quality of people severely lacking confidence in my opinion. Due to it it's very hard for them ever to end up being in a situation or them doing something that really gives them a sense of accomplishment, a job well done, or progress made. Much like you gathering the courage to step up in front of a bunch of people and speak about a passion of yours that is unknown to most despite you being anti-social. It should have been a positive day but your mind made it negative. If anything the looks could have possibly been true, for reasons I'll state in the next reason, but they were at least mostly in your head. Due to this instead of building positive re-enforcement for doing something that was somewhat brave for you, you end up feeling down and end up here on TL blogs. That's why it takes a major influential person/people to dig someone like this out of the rut of lacking confidence, because they simply can't do it on their own (hopefully TL.netters are helping you though).

Now I'm assuming here because you gave limited information on what you said, but I'll assume you mentioned or implied that you struggle socializing etc. and that e-sports has helped you try to bridge the gap of not being able to connect to people in your speech. It's people's natural reaction to simply not give a fuck when they see someone socially awkward. Now if your speech talked about some illness you conquered, or injury, or fucked up past with emotional trauma and how e-sports got you back in the groove then people might have respected it. But when it's just blandish "I have trouble connecting and this helped me," you really can't expect good reactions. The super nice people will think "awww poor thing," the assholes will think "oh god what a loser," and most people will just think "zzzz boring..."

So while I think it was in your head somewhat, at the same time it was probably partially true (if my assumptions about your speech are true that is).

All the replies so far in this thread are 100% true and you know them all to be true. Sometimes for some people it's just really hard to dig yourself out of a hole even if you know exactly how.

The best things you can do is exercise to feel better about yourself and your looks, and continually put yourself in situations where you are forced to socialize with people. Try to take a different approach though. Fight your needy habits and never attempt to prove or legitimize yourself to people. Just keep conversations simple, be happy, attempt to relate to people but don't force it, and try to never let people brushing you off bother you because they simply do not matter.

Remember, all it takes is finding and becoming active friends with one person that understands you and will actually make time for you (talking about someone IRL, online friends can help but you need them IRL). Once you have that one person it will be so much easier to meet more and more people and grow your social confidence.

For now you have to do the annoying part of digging yourself out of the bottom of the hole, and that is forcing yourself into these social situations and bracing yourself for all the negative things your subconscious is going to throw your way during these situations. It's hard to get confidence going but when you do it will grow exponentially.
why so 진지해?
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
November 28 2011 08:27 GMT
#38
Don't know if it will help but of the few times I met you in Korea, never had I felt that you were weird or awkward at all.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
November 28 2011 20:48 GMT
#39
If the TL community ever achieves just one thing... if all it ever does is finally solve your chronic self-esteem issues, I will deem it a resounding success.

Honestly, hun, for as long as I've been a part of this site (relatively not that long, to be fair), I've seen you contribute great things and show everyone how much of a genuinely good person you are.

The problem rests in your ability to share that with others in person. And that, quite frankly, is rooted in your self-esteem problems.

I honestly don't know what hasn't been said on the matter over the years. Everyone's offered all sorts of advice on the issue. I can't imagine what else there is to say in terms of helping you feel better about yourself, but at some point it has to come from within.

You need to feel that you're damned worth knowing. If so many people on the internet can see it from just a glimpse of what you provide us, what makes you think you personally can't? If that means meeting more people from TL or of like-mind from the internet to help you realize that, then so be it. Going to Barcraft is a great idea, but I urge you to go into it with the most positive mindset you can.

I genuinely can't wait for the day where TL gets to see a more self-assured NeverGG. She deserves it.
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Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
November 28 2011 21:03 GMT
#40
I think you're gong to have to change the way you think about situations. I"m a psychology student and a lot of the behaviors you are describing are similar to a mild case of depression. Without knowing more about your situation I'd just reccomend as rekrul stated above trying to view situations more optimistically. This is a big step and a very hard cognitive aspect to accomplish, but you can do it slowly with some determination.
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