On November 12 2011 04:03 Kamais_Ookin wrote: Why do people work in the hellish reserves as teachers in the first place? Can someone explain please I'm really confused. Just go be a teacher in a normal school.
There's an overabundance of teachers, and not nearly enough teaching jobs for them all, so they might just be taking whatever they can get.
iirc you also get a pay bump from the government for working on reserves, I don't know if it's the same in the provinces but I've read that government workers in Inuit communities get a pretty sizable raise. Could just be because they are desperate for people to work in fucking frigid cold 365 days a year :/
Hello Mifan, I've been living in northern Alberta for most of my life (I'm 21 now), and you bring up a very sad truth. I remember in grade 9 I moved from a very lovely little town in Alberta to one with a much higher population of native people, that's not to say it wasn't a lovely town as a direct factor, just generally this town was in a much worse state. The school I attended was K all the way to 12 I will never forget my first day there. The teachers all had an air of hopeless resignation. When the teacher would leave the room to photocopy, or anything like that half the class would just pack up and leave it was insane. Not to mention people playing cards in the corner all day, people sitting on top of the desks, and paper airplanes constantly flying through the air.
My 2nd day there we had a substitute teacher for gym and he thought it would be a good idea to play dodge ball. Now the school had no money and there were no dodge balls so it was played with volleyballs. We had a certain individual in my class who obviously should be in grade 12 by now but was held back 3 times, anyway this guy was huge and he hit the sub in the face (the teacher wasn't even playing) broke his glasses and gave him a bloody nose. You guessed it no punishment.
Now I have a part-time job (in addition to being a baker) working at a Sports Stadium which happens to hire a lot of native people considering it doesn't require so much as a high school diploma. Some of them continue to dysfunction even in the workplace, but a lot are finally growing up supporting themselves and going back to school or going to college. It is sad that they often do not have the support and family stability when they are young, and even more so does my heart go out to the teachers who have to deal with the struggle emanating from the home. But I believe many do realize the value of hard work and education at a later point in their lives.
This of course is all drawn from experiences outside of reserves. I am in a degree ignorant as to what happens inside, but it is certain that it is almost a whole 'nother world. At this point there is almost a self fulfilling prophecy affect in that they are treated (this is a little harsh but I lacked any other analogy) like children, being pampered and given what they ask for when they throw a tantrum. So they never grow up or are delayed in growing up. Things have to change there are better ways to pay tribute to their culture, than establishing reserves and giving them completely nonsensical things like discounted cigarettes. In our current times though nobody wants to focus on an issue like this. It is nearly political suicide to open up this can of worms. So it stagnates and becomes worse and worse.
I didn't mean to go of on a rant like this, but your post really caught my attention and I felt like I had something to add. In summary outside of reserves a lot of native people mature (I am in no way saying Native people are less mature than anyone else, everybody has to mature sometime regardless of race) go back to school, and then raise beautiful families. Yet inside the reserves that is the only life they know it is the norm and not many make it out into what one might call "the real world." It is sad but true, and ultimately there is not much if anything at all in the way of changing the situation. My heart goes out to you my friend, I hope you can find a way out of there and lead a more positive life.
lol, I'm a teacher too and there's no way in hell I would work on a reserve or in a northern community. You can make pretty serious money up there very quickly, but the conditions are unreal. Go to UK/NZ/AUS if you want to teach and can't get a job in Canada. I got three calls this morning and I only began expressing interest on Tuesday. They're pretty desparate.
On November 12 2011 05:39 ChiffonAngel wrote: ITT: White Imperialists frustrated that the people they oppress don't want to live their life the "white way".
It's not even so much about that as that they've been segregated for years. There are plenty of native people who have been quite successful in this country, but living on a reserve is literally poisonous to having any chance at life. The closest comparison I can draw is to being in a poor (really poor) neighbourhood in the US, where there is next to no chance of getting out of poverty due to the way the school and social support system is set up.
On November 12 2011 05:39 ChiffonAngel wrote: ITT: White Imperialists frustrated that the people they oppress don't want to live their life the "white way".
On November 12 2011 05:39 ChiffonAngel wrote: ITT: White Imperialists frustrated that the people they oppress don't want to live their life the "white way".
Wait a second here chiffon. I know you probably have good intentions butseriously??? You think that it is a problem with white imperialists being frustrated about a different lifestyle choice? Given the OP and the other posters who have witnessed similar circumstances you really want to tellme that rape, violence, drugs, and complete dependence on handouts is a traditional and cultural way of life?? That is absolute garbage. I even agree with you to a point in that I think that the current system is very lacking, but in today's world we need to worry first about children whose lives are destroyed before they have a chance to grow up. My mom taught in an inner city high school in the usa when I was a kid and tells similar stories about the state of families and kids. Please think about the kids first, because any kid put in a good situation can succeed regardless of race or culture, but they can't if they never have the support.
Please don't feed the troll. It's a zero content inflammatory post consisting of a single sweeping generalization. I don't think he's looking for a series of essays telling him how wrong he is.
On November 12 2011 08:31 TimmyMac wrote: It's not even so much about that as that they've been segregated for years. There are plenty of native people who have been quite successful in this country, but living on a reserve is literally poisonous to having any chance at life. The closest comparison I can draw is to being in a poor (really poor) neighbourhood in the US, where there is next to no chance of getting out of poverty due to the way the school and social support system is set up.
On November 12 2011 08:42 warhawk224 wrote: Wait a second here chiffon. I know you probably have good intentions butseriously??? You think that it is a problem with white imperialists being frustrated about a different lifestyle choice? Given the OP and the other posters who have witnessed similar circumstances you really want to tellme that rape, violence, drugs, and complete dependence on handouts is a traditional and cultural way of life?? That is absolute garbage. I even agree with you to a point in that I think that the current system is very lacking, but in today's world we need to worry first about children whose lives are destroyed before they have a chance to grow up. My mom taught in an inner city high school in the usa when I was a kid and tells similar stories about the state of families and kids. Please think about the kids first, because any kid put in a good situation can succeed regardless of race or culture, but they can't if they never have the support.
Yes, there is a problem with white imperialists being frustrated about a different lifestyle choice to the point that they not only try to replace the pre-existing culture, but also appropriate that culture for profit. Those things listed are not a traditional and cultural way of life, they are a result of their culture and way of life being forcibly denied them. *MY* tribe's culture was about raping and pillaging. I descend from the Comanche tribes of Texas. I am close to the depression and suicidal tendencies prevalent in native americans. No, my family predecessors have not faired well being torn between trying to hold onto their culture and deciding for themselves how they wish (or don't wish) to adapt to "modern society." As far as I know, there are less than 5 people left in the entire world who speak my tribe's language and that pisses me off. Yes, I have gained from living in American society. I have medicine and I have access to the internet, but I have lost contact and connection with my ancestry and that has affected me in many ways such as doing poorly in school (like any other non-white minority). I am part of a generation that can only watch helplessly as the last remnants of my cultural heritage fade away. My last living "close" relative won't tell me about the culture of the tribe I came from due to her imposed conversion of catholicism. So yeah, I'm bitter about that.
I say all this to give some insight into the other side of the coin. Is education bad? I don't think so personally, but education enforced by the representation of the people who is systemically destroying your ancestory is a completely different matter. These people are powerless and hopeless to maintain their culture in the face of an overwhelming force bent on eradication through assimilation. Such is history and life. On the other hand, something to consider and keep in mind while you (royal "you" as in not a single person being addressed, but a collective) are judging them.
They should live life the same way everyone else in the country does. I don't think they should not have to pay taxes, etc. Start moving people off reserves and getting them into main stream society. If they want to continue to learn about their ancestry, then go for it, the same way everyone else does it. Sink or swim, like the rest of society. It's time to take the baby rattle away.
I thought about everything that has happened. In the beginning I always thought it was the kids but in reality it is the administration at the school who is failing. There is absolutely zero consequences to the kids actions and they keep giving them second chances like there is no tomorrow. If a kid threatens to kill a teacher(joke or not) the the kid should be suspended or expelled immediately. Yet what do they do here? The principal doesn't even give a shit, at most it would just be something like "you shouldn't be saying things like that". However, when a kid threatens to kill him/herself(joke or not), we have to notify the cops and child services...
I agree with VersusVersus that
they are treated (this is a little harsh but I lacked any other analogy) like children, being pampered and given what they ask for when they throw a tantrum. So they never grow up or are delayed in growing up
Whenever a kid is wrong regardless of age, the school does not punish, the administration does not want to deal with parents because they are afraid of parents' complaints. When parents' complain about something, the administration sugarcoats everything and changes their story. We just had a staff meeting today and one of the outcome was to deny students going for washroom breaks during class. Unless the kids have some kind of medical issue then they shouldn't be going to washroom at all. They have a break and that's what it's for. However, once this reaches the parents, they will complain and then the principal will change her mind again. Whenever we make rules here, they are just for show only, they never follow any rules here that's why degenerate kids get away with everything.
The only way to fix things here is to have an iron fist approach to everything, can't let anybody get away with anything and if something happens, make an example out of that person, period. The natives need to be taught a lesson, they are taking everything for granted, enjoying so much benefits from the government. Yet, what do they do everyday? Sniffing gas, doing oxy, weed, drink alcohol based hand sanitizer, go around make babies to collect welfare and child tax benefits. There is absolutely nothing positive here. They should be fucking ashamed of themselves, and to balance the budget of the country, cut all the fucken welfare to natives. If I was the prime ministry, I would pass a new law requiring at least a secondary school diploma and a drug test if you want to collect welfare. Unless, of course you have legitimate mental retardation and can't study.
I agree that some natives realize later in life what they did wrong and try to change it but the majority just don't give a fuck. Free money from the government, great! What's more disturbing is that there is one family here that has 3 FASD kids, 3 brothers all have fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. If you made the mistake the first time, how can you do it again and again and fuck up all your kids like that?
People have asked me in the thread that why I chose to come here, I had to choice because there is just way too many fucken teachers in Canada. There is a huge decline in enrollment in the cities and the only job opportunities are in the northern reserves because nobody wants to come up here to teach. I have heard some funny stories today that years ago the teachers here were required to do a lot of things for the locals like digging graves because the natives would be too "emotionally hurt" after a death to do anything... you gotta be fucken joking me... They are just lazy to the fucken bone and want to do nothing everyday. Might as well ask us to wipe your asses and brush your teeth for you. There is a lack of responsibility and accountability on any reserve, they want to take the easy way out and they want to take advantage of nice people who wish to teach up there.
May I suggest giving up teaching for a bit and doing tutoring instead? The pay's pretty nice (afaik in calgary standard rate is $40~$50 an hour). It won't take long to get students, even if you don't really have that much experience.
Actually in alberta all the natives are pretty good (the ones I've met ofc). Some of them are just like you described but in the schools they're never as bad as you paint them to be where you are
On November 12 2011 11:49 LonelyIslands wrote: They should live life the same way everyone else in the country does. I don't think they should not have to pay taxes, etc. Start moving people off reserves and getting them into main stream society. If they want to continue to learn about their ancestry, then go for it, the same way everyone else does it. Sink or swim, like the rest of society. It's time to take the baby rattle away.
Good idea but you are missing the point here. They CANNOT be integrated into society because the way they are. They have no manners, no discipline and have bad attitudes. The natives kids who go to school in the cities always get kicked out and sent back to reserves because they can't function in a proper society. If you read what I said before, you will know that they get no consequences on reserves and act in anyway they wish. When they move to the city, the teachers run on iron fist there and won't put up with their degenerate shit and they expelled them right away. Kids here often tell me their drug stories in the city because that's what they do there once they get to the city. There is even more room for their delinquent behaviours. I watched the 5th estate on CBC the other weekend, they talked about natives kids going to school in the city. People commit suicides and drink/do drugs everyday. They are not using the opportunity to pursue their dreams to make a difference in their lives. Again, everything is taken for granted.
ok so now that i've been polite and have been safely deemed as "civilized" by capitalists and "civilization's peek peers" that judge these things .. can i be real for a moment?
ok so lets sum up.. "someone" who"s ancestors destroyed a whole culture / virtually wiped it off the map / someone has now a frustration towards the smidgen left of that culture that has not "been wiped out" ?
you make nice points obviously "wow progress" "wow they treat themselves as animals we should do something about it?".. but.. but you end up saying "but why wont they integrate?" "we must act strongly and make them understand that they have to be "civilized!"
On November 12 2011 12:13 mifan wrote: The only way to fix things here is to have an iron fist approach to everything, can't let anybody get away with anything and if something happens, make an example out of that person, period. The natives need to be taught a lesson.../
??? you cannot even see your own "indoctrination" .. this is very very sad indeed.
ok lets put it back in the right order:
capitalism is bad.. civilization is bad and progress is at most subjective .. never REQUIRED!
you invoke how they are NOW.. but never mention that WE made it so!
you call them children? (i mean when they are 20 30 whatever) just like the slavers called their slaves and you do this probably without noticing it i guess?
i"m a 45 frog, when i was 8 i was in the united states of murica.. in their public system.. there i read about all the people the americans wiped out to call their piece of land "america" (in books that were not in the school library i might add, not in the classes i got) ... now we are 30+ years later and i am sitting down reading this thread.
i am appalled by this reading, hence me typing this message 'in reeeesponse".
you want a solution to what? to imperialism"s way of thinking? because you for sure are not going to do it this way?
you seem affected by the idea that people would be in this state after a century of being WILLFULLY pushed into that situation? you are weird! even if i sense your "goodness" i can't help but think you need an adjustment :/
YOU are the problem, not them! (as it was said earlier, YOU is the royal YOU not you individually but the YOU that houses 90% of people on earth)
capitalism is happy it destroyed all other "options' than itself, now it is destroying our planet .; the ship we are ALL on..
and NO the "good" by-products of imperialism / capitalism are not worth it.. they never were!
sorry if i seem a little rattled but i am rattled so that's that.
so .. ranting is frowned upon in "civilizedland" so i'll refrain from more, i'll just add this:
.. get your government (if indeed you still cling to the idea that you have any power at all as a citizen of your "nation" to make anything constructive happen going forward.. from "your" government) .. try to get YOUR government to give them back what they owe these "aborigines" ..? instead of continuing their legacy of stepping on anything different and particularly people they have tried to get killed for centuries! (and failed to do so up until now but damn close call if you ask me)..
first they wont do it, second they will put you in jail for saying/asking it and third you will discover just how much YOU are the same as them, YOU ARE THEM! (i am them too dude it is fine <3 trust me)
i was going to pick out certain of your turn of phrases to make you look in the mirror more but i can't bring myself to do that.. because you seem to genuinely care,
also i'd have to insult/bait/flame other posters in this thread who seem unashamedly to want the grand C's work to be done by now and for those remnants of the real human beings to be wiped out and i don't want to do that because i will become the issue and this "conversation" warrants more respect than that!
tldr: nothing wrong with "aborigines" that were not killed please don't finish them off when you vote!
Edit follow up: "the pitbull age" (about latinoes in murica ; this is obviously not stricto senso the same "topic" but please allow the curiosity you are obviously capable of to make you watch it (the whole thing should still be on netflix or some pirate platform you are used to), it could resonate and become relevant to this "conversation" / thread if you do) interview of leguizamo
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