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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
November 07 2011 05:33 GMT
#21
To put it more simple, there is a huge difference between:
-Wanting to hit someone so badly because you're pissed (cheesed for the fiftieth time on sc2 ladder?)
-Playing Q3 or watching a brutal movie to calm down
-Going out and looking for a place where someone else get's beat up
-Going out, taking a random person with you, dragging them into your apartement and beating the crap out of them.
-Film the whole thing and put it on the interweb for money.

Same line goes for "attracted to children" -> "consuming cp" -> "actively moving to molest/'scout'" -> "commiting a childrape" -> "distributing a childrape"
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
November 07 2011 05:33 GMT
#22
[B]
2) You're potentially supporting it by "showing" people that there is a demand

- Nomatter HOW small, whether you are providing ad income on a forum (reddit?), or if you accidently seeded 1MB of a file, or if you just made the click-counter go up by 1 hit, you are actively supporting whatever you downloaded and telling people out there - "hey, there's demand, go make more and maybe someone will buy it".

Does this make you a contributor to child abuse? Should you care? Does, for instance, second-hand smoke from your cigarette make you a child abuser? Does buying Levi's jeans and other USA companies make you a child abuser (link)? Does bringing your child up under a particular religion (compared to no religion, or compared to a different religion) make you a child abuser? Does paying your taxes make you a child abuser (war etc)?

Again, food for thought on generating perspective around these issues.

The pest part with this logic is that you might as well argue that everyoe thats has every made a donation to the roman-catholic church has made a contribution and enabled sexual abuse of children by indirectly supporting it. The argument is flawed.

People are going to hate and pedophiles are a very easy target since nobody is going to take their side in any issue.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 05:50:26
November 07 2011 05:46 GMT
#23
On November 07 2011 14:24 r.Evo wrote:
Your "1)" is pretty much solved by the actual definition. To quote wiki it is "typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest"

Also if you get to the psychological basis there is a difference between "Pedophilia" (0-10), "Hebephilia" (11-14) and "Ephebophilia" (15-19)


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Are you trying to justify sexual impulse towards children by making these ridiculous analogies? My vote is on you being a sick bastard that is having a hard time facing the fact that there is something wrong with your brain.


Yes, I do get that this is a very, very thin ice topic. However, please take a deep breath and consider these facts:
-Sexual impulse towards children (or animals, your mother or your grandpa for all that I care) is not "wrong" itself. It's an impulse. If you're a human being you will have impulses which indicate to rip someone elses throat out and shove a knife up his ass (hint, that's what your impulse towards the OP sounds like. Does that make me call you a sick fucker? No.).
-Acting on your impulses is a whole different story.

-The possibility to find close examples to your original impulse within a legal environment is, among people who actually care about the psychology behind it, often considered the best possible "treatment". There is a thin line between desensitizing and satisfying. Desensitizing is what happens a lot of the time when people are being isolated and get some kind of "material" about their original input. Satisfying is what happens when you (dingding) are confronted with your impulse in a socially accepted way.


For a brief time I used to do some workshops on an entirely different matter with a psychologist who is specialized in bringing out testimonies by pedophiles who actually did rape/molest children and assisting convicted ones during their prison time and we had quite some talks about that exact topic. In his opinion the people who actually DO commit those crimes are, emotionally, cornered between their "impulse", social (or rather emotional) isolation and their sense of what's actually right or wrong. Here's the trick: The more they isolate themselves from societies standards, the more likely they're going to act on their impulse.

Once this kind of "spiral" starts, no one cares about punishment anymore. It doesn't matter if they get sentenced for life or killed. There's just the initial impulse left and the thin string that keeps them from committing the crime (the knowledge that it's wrong) keeps getting thinner and thinner. THAT is where the real danger lies.



What I meant by "The possibility to find close examples to your original impulse within a legal environment" considering childporn would actually be (don't laugh, things like that exists e.g. in Japan) stuff like e.g. a brothel with legal girls who look as if they're not legal yet or lolicon. By giving people who have such impulses or conditions the possibility to legally get some kind of substitute you keep them socially integrated and the bond that says "This is my society, I know that my impulses are off the chart but, hey, this is not all of it but it's enough for me" gets stronger and people are less likely to commit actual crimes.


tl;dr:
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Anyway, if someone is attracted to children and can't do anything about it he or she needs help, not isolation.



1) no, because "primary" does not mean "exclusive", does it.

2) well, i am talking as vaguely as possible with regards to "particular ages" because i only wanted to condense and explain those reasons that Viewing CP/underage models is considdered wrong. i did not want to go into ages of consent, that topic has been done and dusted a thousand times. for the sake of simplicity, we are talking about anything illegal

3) hrm dont think you were replying directly to me here, but yes in actual fact we are talking about impulses, or we might aswell be. if a pedo looks at CP then he has potentially just as much "impulse" as a pedo who doesnt, or one who gets his kicks in other ways.

the issue is that these people (pedos) are considered "a risk" as soon as they are identified. if you have the "impulse" but control it in some fashion, then are you still not a "risk" if you were to , for example, get depressed or drunk and lose control over your impulse? (i talk a bit about that).

i know it is not against the law to have an impulse, but if we were ever to consider "viewing free images of CP" as a victimless crime (assume that it is for now, or some alternative of it, such as simply admitting you're a pedo) then should it still be illegal and punishable/should action against it/the person be taken? see i am a great philosopher

if, for example, a person admitted he was a pedo, should it be necessary by law for us to lock that person away? (many will say yes, others will say therapy, some will say leave him alone)

4) yeah i absolutely agree with how you describe this


edit: sorry if im confusing you/the other way round, its late here
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Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
November 07 2011 12:43 GMT
#24
I think a lot of the assumption of exclusively liking children is because a lot of people probably exclusively like a certain type of person themselves.

I for example had only thought of them as liking only children. But then I myself like girls who are about 5ft8-5ft10, have a narrow build (small shoulders is a bit of a must), brown hair, and a big enough bum. It's pretty specific. And because it's not uncommon I ignore other girls who I guess would like within my range but I find less attractive.

But then I what if those girls that I like all had the minds of children, weren't sexually mature and (as an obvious result of having childs minds) weren't interested in sex at all? I wouldn't download illegal images of them being raped or forced to do things with each other. I'd just go for blondes, that's fine.

But then there must be some genetic element to this. Admittedly there is going to be a large influence on it from upbringing and experience etc, but there will be some genetic element to it. Do we want to be selecting against this? This is what prison has been doing for the last few hundred years, it's been the mechanism for natural selection against aggressive people. People have become much less aggressive because of this, there's been a few essays and studies on this.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
November 07 2011 18:29 GMT
#25
Man this is one touchy subject... It's particularly dangerous as well whenever this subject comes into discussion in real life and being men it really gives off bad vibes.

This is one of the few things that I am completely narrow minded about and will refuse to listen to reason. I don't know, I simply can't do it, pity me or praise me but I just cannot condone pedophilia in anyway. Even if the person in question is suffering from it, tough.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 07 2011 19:00 GMT
#26
nice use of wordplay in the title, otherwise I have nothing to contribute that has not been said already
:)
TI121
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
November 07 2011 19:00 GMT
#27
Strongly disagrees with 3/.
Who gets to decide what is obscene and what is not ?


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Why would urination porn (you quote it as obscene) be any worse than a facial ?
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