• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:02
CEST 02:02
KST 09:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
Travel Agencies vs Online Booking Platforms The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1268 users

I've Found My Weakness [A Ladder Blog]

Blogs > Blazinghand
Post a Reply
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 23:10:50
November 01 2011 23:10 GMT
#1
I've been stuck at a certain level of skill for a couple months now-- ever since getting into Master League in mid-August I've been in the same place, right at the bottom. Before, I was a Diamond player playing a mostly Master League players with a few Diamond Leaguers. Now I'm a Master player playing mostly Master League players with a few Diamond Leaguers. I've maintained a similar MMR for basically a month now. U_U

With the start of a season comes new hope, though, so I began playing more seriously again. I decided it was time to put Sc2Gears to work to figure out what was wrong with my play. I felt pretty comfortable with my TvZ, but always felt ill-at-ease in TvP and TvT. What could Sc2Gears' Multi-Replay Analysis and Player Analysis tell me about this situation? As it turns out, it told me a lot. >.>

180 games in Season 3
Winrate Overall: 50%
TvZ: 75%
TvP: 44%
TvT 30%

Basically, my skill level in TvZ specifically is vastly, enormously different than my skill level in my other matchups. Put in perspective, TvZ accounts for half of my ladder victories, with TvP and TvT combined accounting for the other half ._.

My effective skill in my vP and vT matchups is really bad; but due to my high skill at vZ, I'm playing against Protosses and Terrans who are enormously better than I am and basically getting crushed. Heartily. ._.

My TvP isn't hugely bad, 44% is significantly far from 50%. I think what I really really really need to focus my effort on is my 30% winrate TvT. At this point, I might as well proxy 3 rax or some worthless cheese build that has a 40% winrate, just because It'd be massively more effective than what I've got going on now ;_; not that I'd get better by doing so

I'm not even sure I'm that bad at TvP since it might be masked by my unbelievable winrate in TvZ. o_O

Really, though, I want to improve-- I'm not even sure what I'm writing this for, but I never knew I was so flipping bad at TvT ;_;

***
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 01 2011 23:16 GMT
#2

It happens. i spent season 3 with <10% winrate in TvP Now I'm just barely above 50%, however I wont tell anyone a percent because I feel like it is too small of a sample size for now.

All your matchups will improve even if you only practise 1, atleast at the sup-pro level. I spent a good month practising TvZ and when I got done I felt much better in TvP aswell as TvZ.

If I had to hazard a guess I would say I'm

75% TvT
30% TvP (only had a significant improvement 2 days ago, this is for all of the start of s4)
50% TvZ
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 01 2011 23:17 GMT
#3
Teach me TvZ O.O
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 01 2011 23:19 GMT
#4
On November 02 2011 08:17 Froadac wrote:
Teach me TvZ O.O

I've got a big [G] Strategy post I'm putting together on my TvZ. Soon all shall know the secret.

On November 02 2011 08:16 Thaniri wrote:


If I had to hazard a guess I would say I'm

75% TvT
30% TvP (only had a significant improvement 2 days ago, this is for all of the start of s4)
50% TvZ


Teach me TvT O.O
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 01 2011 23:22 GMT
#5
Lol. I may be terribad, but my tvt is probably my best matchup. Pure bio ftw lol.

TvP is hard when a deathball or max occurs, and TvZ is hard once they get out "ZE UBER COMP"
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
November 01 2011 23:25 GMT
#6
On November 02 2011 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:

TvT 30%


I know right, T imba~

My current win rates after ~80 games on NA:

PvZ: 85%
PvP: 64%
PvT: 50%
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 01 2011 23:44 GMT
#7
Hai, sup how you?

I do rather well in TvT with a slew of strategies. Fast expos mostly. Bio pressure. A safe 1-1-1 marine hellion viking raven open into a siege expand 3 rax pressure. I'm trying to ladder more as I never did before. Season 3 I almost had 1k masters, and was only like... 50 games into the season. I was drawing mid-high masters and grandmasters and with little practice holding my own. I have since got a KR account through leveling a kid, so I am grinding out the games on KR trying to hone some skills. I can make a rep pack of all the TvT games for you, if you'd like. I'm currently only 20 games or so into the season 4 on KR, but I'm top 3 diamond right now (COOLGUYGLASSES) Hoping I can break masters and actually show something for all my hard work.

So, in short, want some help? I'm not saying I'm a super great, but I feel I have a handle on TvT for my level. Send me a message if you'd like. I am also streaming for the 3 people that watch me, lol if you ever want to tune in and talk live or whatever.

Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
November 01 2011 23:46 GMT
#8
On November 02 2011 08:25 Anihc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:

TvT 30%



PvZ: 85%
PvP: 64%
PvT: 50%


Teach me PvZ t.t
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
November 01 2011 23:58 GMT
#9
All my matchups are really balanced. since 9/1/2011
ZvT 51%
ZvZ 54%
ZvP 53%

This might be because I heavily focus on one match up at a time, and then forget how to play the others.

Thanks for telling me about multirep analysis, never knew you could get winrates out of it.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 02 2011 00:07 GMT
#10
On November 02 2011 08:58 Rotodyne wrote:
All my matchups are really balanced. since 9/1/2011
ZvT 51%
ZvZ 54%
ZvP 53%

This might be because I heavily focus on one match up at a time, and then forget how to play the others.

Thanks for telling me about multirep analysis, never knew you could get winrates out of it.


Yeah, Sc2Gears has a lot of cool features that I didn't really know about. I was just using it as a search engine for my replays up until now.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 02 2011 00:11 GMT
#11
Listen to IAmJeffrey, i have played with him, my "auto win if he fast expands" build doesn't work against him even if he fast expands!!!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 02 2011 00:17 GMT
#12
On November 02 2011 08:17 Froadac wrote:
Teach me TvZ O.O


i think my tvz is 10 %, TEACH ME
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 02 2011 01:09 GMT
#13
The secret to TvZ is to win one game then to switch to Protoss and ask how to win PvZ.
Seriously though, TvZ is heavily dependent on decision making in both macro and micro.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 02:26:27
November 02 2011 02:23 GMT
#14
S4
65% TvZ
45% TvP (its actually like 30 cause I won a handful of games just 2 rax FEing and breaking a 1 Gate FE)
50% TvT

Last five months
58% TvZ
44%TvP
46^ TvT

TEACH ME TO TVP PLEASE.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
CranKy Ducklings14
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft339
SpeCial 125
CosmosSc2 102
Ketroc 57
JuggernautJason38
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 4034
Artosis 672
Dota 2
monkeys_forever503
NeuroSwarm167
League of Legends
JimRising 524
Other Games
gofns17635
summit1g15756
tarik_tv13324
Liquid`RaSZi3511
FrodaN1673
Pyrionflax155
UpATreeSC37
fpsfer 2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1393
BasetradeTV103
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 62
• musti20045 34
• davetesta20
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1310
• Scarra1022
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 59m
Wardi Open
11h 59m
Monday Night Weeklies
15h 59m
Replay Cast
23h 59m
The PondCast
1d 9h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 10h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Flash vs Soma
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Patches Events
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.