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I've Found My Weakness [A Ladder Blog]

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 23:10:50
November 01 2011 23:10 GMT
#1
I've been stuck at a certain level of skill for a couple months now-- ever since getting into Master League in mid-August I've been in the same place, right at the bottom. Before, I was a Diamond player playing a mostly Master League players with a few Diamond Leaguers. Now I'm a Master player playing mostly Master League players with a few Diamond Leaguers. I've maintained a similar MMR for basically a month now. U_U

With the start of a season comes new hope, though, so I began playing more seriously again. I decided it was time to put Sc2Gears to work to figure out what was wrong with my play. I felt pretty comfortable with my TvZ, but always felt ill-at-ease in TvP and TvT. What could Sc2Gears' Multi-Replay Analysis and Player Analysis tell me about this situation? As it turns out, it told me a lot. >.>

180 games in Season 3
Winrate Overall: 50%
TvZ: 75%
TvP: 44%
TvT 30%

Basically, my skill level in TvZ specifically is vastly, enormously different than my skill level in my other matchups. Put in perspective, TvZ accounts for half of my ladder victories, with TvP and TvT combined accounting for the other half ._.

My effective skill in my vP and vT matchups is really bad; but due to my high skill at vZ, I'm playing against Protosses and Terrans who are enormously better than I am and basically getting crushed. Heartily. ._.

My TvP isn't hugely bad, 44% is significantly far from 50%. I think what I really really really need to focus my effort on is my 30% winrate TvT. At this point, I might as well proxy 3 rax or some worthless cheese build that has a 40% winrate, just because It'd be massively more effective than what I've got going on now ;_; not that I'd get better by doing so

I'm not even sure I'm that bad at TvP since it might be masked by my unbelievable winrate in TvZ. o_O

Really, though, I want to improve-- I'm not even sure what I'm writing this for, but I never knew I was so flipping bad at TvT ;_;

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 01 2011 23:16 GMT
#2

It happens. i spent season 3 with <10% winrate in TvP Now I'm just barely above 50%, however I wont tell anyone a percent because I feel like it is too small of a sample size for now.

All your matchups will improve even if you only practise 1, atleast at the sup-pro level. I spent a good month practising TvZ and when I got done I felt much better in TvP aswell as TvZ.

If I had to hazard a guess I would say I'm

75% TvT
30% TvP (only had a significant improvement 2 days ago, this is for all of the start of s4)
50% TvZ
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 01 2011 23:17 GMT
#3
Teach me TvZ O.O
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 01 2011 23:19 GMT
#4
On November 02 2011 08:17 Froadac wrote:
Teach me TvZ O.O

I've got a big [G] Strategy post I'm putting together on my TvZ. Soon all shall know the secret.

On November 02 2011 08:16 Thaniri wrote:


If I had to hazard a guess I would say I'm

75% TvT
30% TvP (only had a significant improvement 2 days ago, this is for all of the start of s4)
50% TvZ


Teach me TvT O.O
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 01 2011 23:22 GMT
#5
Lol. I may be terribad, but my tvt is probably my best matchup. Pure bio ftw lol.

TvP is hard when a deathball or max occurs, and TvZ is hard once they get out "ZE UBER COMP"
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
November 01 2011 23:25 GMT
#6
On November 02 2011 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:

TvT 30%


I know right, T imba~

My current win rates after ~80 games on NA:

PvZ: 85%
PvP: 64%
PvT: 50%
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 01 2011 23:44 GMT
#7
Hai, sup how you?

I do rather well in TvT with a slew of strategies. Fast expos mostly. Bio pressure. A safe 1-1-1 marine hellion viking raven open into a siege expand 3 rax pressure. I'm trying to ladder more as I never did before. Season 3 I almost had 1k masters, and was only like... 50 games into the season. I was drawing mid-high masters and grandmasters and with little practice holding my own. I have since got a KR account through leveling a kid, so I am grinding out the games on KR trying to hone some skills. I can make a rep pack of all the TvT games for you, if you'd like. I'm currently only 20 games or so into the season 4 on KR, but I'm top 3 diamond right now (COOLGUYGLASSES) Hoping I can break masters and actually show something for all my hard work.

So, in short, want some help? I'm not saying I'm a super great, but I feel I have a handle on TvT for my level. Send me a message if you'd like. I am also streaming for the 3 people that watch me, lol if you ever want to tune in and talk live or whatever.

Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
November 01 2011 23:46 GMT
#8
On November 02 2011 08:25 Anihc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:

TvT 30%



PvZ: 85%
PvP: 64%
PvT: 50%


Teach me PvZ t.t
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
November 01 2011 23:58 GMT
#9
All my matchups are really balanced. since 9/1/2011
ZvT 51%
ZvZ 54%
ZvP 53%

This might be because I heavily focus on one match up at a time, and then forget how to play the others.

Thanks for telling me about multirep analysis, never knew you could get winrates out of it.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 02 2011 00:07 GMT
#10
On November 02 2011 08:58 Rotodyne wrote:
All my matchups are really balanced. since 9/1/2011
ZvT 51%
ZvZ 54%
ZvP 53%

This might be because I heavily focus on one match up at a time, and then forget how to play the others.

Thanks for telling me about multirep analysis, never knew you could get winrates out of it.


Yeah, Sc2Gears has a lot of cool features that I didn't really know about. I was just using it as a search engine for my replays up until now.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 02 2011 00:11 GMT
#11
Listen to IAmJeffrey, i have played with him, my "auto win if he fast expands" build doesn't work against him even if he fast expands!!!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 02 2011 00:17 GMT
#12
On November 02 2011 08:17 Froadac wrote:
Teach me TvZ O.O


i think my tvz is 10 %, TEACH ME
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 02 2011 01:09 GMT
#13
The secret to TvZ is to win one game then to switch to Protoss and ask how to win PvZ.
Seriously though, TvZ is heavily dependent on decision making in both macro and micro.
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AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 02:26:27
November 02 2011 02:23 GMT
#14
S4
65% TvZ
45% TvP (its actually like 30 cause I won a handful of games just 2 rax FEing and breaking a 1 Gate FE)
50% TvT

Last five months
58% TvZ
44%TvP
46^ TvT

TEACH ME TO TVP PLEASE.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
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