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SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 01:29:51
October 01 2011 18:54 GMT
#1
A lot of people seem to have trouble with PvP (that is to say Post versus Post). I know Torte has already written… a novella on the subject, but I thought that a very short guide might help people a bit more, just in case you’re in a rush.

Now, admittedly, it’s my worst matchup, but I thought I might be able to offer a little help. You see, the problem with PvP is always one of intelligence; you can’t know what your opponent will do next. In PvB (Post versus Blog), you’re always going to know roughly where your opponent is coming and something of his style before you reply, and let’s face it, PvLR has been broken for longer than I care to discuss; better to avoid engagement and just macro up a high post count so that when you do engage you’re already a force to be reckoned with.

Post with me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcqxiKcxuww


Now, the question for many of us when it comes to PvP is going to be,

If everyone is arguing from roughly the same position, how do I distinguish myself?


This is a reasonable question, and I’ll answer it with an analogy.

Equipment:

I’ll often see a photograph and think, “Wow, this is a great photo, you must have an amazing camera.” The logic is simple, inarguable, unerring in its truth. When I see a post that’s very well written, I don’t think, “Wow, a fine point, well argued.” Nobody thinks that. I straight away think,

Wow, this is fantastic. Look at that use of prepositions, the sparseness of those adjectives. This man must have a majestic keyboard.


So I put some time into it, I thought; what kinds of keyboards do progamers use? What mice do they use? Are they mechanical? Can you have a mechanical mouse? Would that be too steampunk? So I took my search to TL in an effort to unravel the mysteries. I searched and this is what I found…

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There are 500 of these…


I simply must have an impressive keyboard for myself; that’s what will help my posting. So I searched and searched until I found the keyboard that suited me best. I have a man’s hands, and so no piffling little Das Keyboard affair would suit me, I’d need something bigger. Something monstrous. In the end, I settled for, the Crayola EZ Type. It’s a hefty beast, but well worth the investment. This isn’t a keyboard you “get used to,” it’s a keyboard that will bend your hands to fit its grotesque form and make you a better poster for it.

Shindigs once told me that the ideal for a proposter would be to:

Post fast. Die Young. Leave a good looking blog.


…but as time goes by, I’m starting to think that maybe I need to slow down- get my priorities in order. Maybe I need a bulky, slow keyboard so I can avoid burnout?

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When it physically hurts to type, you can’t post one-liners to get yourself banned. Plus: Dig them custom keycaps.


Now, I’m no fool. I know that people are going to demand replays so that they can understand what I’m getting at, I can handle that. Indeed, the video above shows the means by which I post with my own Crayola keyboard.

Now, you may already have noticed that this post (or this video, if I take the time to edit it) boasts a fair few spelling mistakes. I’m still getting used to the spacing of the keys on the keyboard itself (or the Bloggermax4000 Pro as I like to call it). It’s not an easy task, but these are the trials we put ourselves through in the name of our craft. My hands are in a state of constant agony, my postcount is in real danger of falling below one a day, but my average post quality has tripled. Coincidence? I think not.

It also comes with its own mouse, something that Das Keyboard has yet to boast. The mouse is filled, absolutely packed with flashing LEDs. There is a tiny island floating in it. Whenever I am tempted to rage-reply, I stare at the tiny island and I am calmed… one day though, it might not be enough, and you might see something written in my name appended with “user was banned for this post.”

Until then I remain, as ever, yours,
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Huge thanks to my sponsors:

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(Can't remember who first made the "little blog factory" joke, but I loved it)



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This entire post has been a shoutout to boesthius



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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 18:58:48
October 01 2011 18:56 GMT
#2
Youtube vid. got blocked ):

I post fast and quick. I get the generic message in that can't get any replies, but follows the regular order of other posts. It's contributory, it falls in line and no one notices the influx of my posts until its too late and I'm in every thread.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 01 2011 18:59 GMT
#3
So, where's the coaching part?
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4011 Posts
October 01 2011 19:03 GMT
#4
On October 02 2011 03:56 Torte de Lini wrote:
Youtube vid. got blocked ):


That would happen the one time I spend time actually syncing the video up the with sound T_T
Moderator@SirJolt
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
October 01 2011 19:11 GMT
#5
such an attention whore...
beep boop
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
October 01 2011 19:47 GMT
#6
I don't think I'm ready to get into PvP but I would still like that keyboard.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 01 2011 19:48 GMT
#7
Perhaps we should engage in some friendly bouts of PvP, sometime?

I know a lot of people like to cheese or go all-in much too early, but on the contrary, I enjoy a straight-up style that relies heavily on mechanics and a superior thread sense. As the meta of posting evolves, I feel that my style will grow in strength and retain relevancy while other, inferior, styles will die out and become forgotten.

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+1 if you get the parody
you gotta dance
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
October 01 2011 20:05 GMT
#8
that keyboard is willlld
great blog! (of course). 5/5
get rich or die mining
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 01 2011 21:49 GMT
#9
OP has such a ridiculous advantage in PvB, apologize for posting in this forum.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 01 2011 23:06 GMT
#10
oh god plz ban for balance whine there is NOTHING WRONG WITH PvLR I SWEAR TO GOD.


Coming in Lr3, you must destroy destructible debris in order to post!



우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 02 2011 00:38 GMT
#11
Lol, Probe1 is in denial. Stats for the last few months clearly show that the balance of PvLR is so skewed it's not even funny. I avoid that match-up completely it's so broken.
you gotta dance
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
October 02 2011 00:50 GMT
#12
--- Nuked ---
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 02 2011 01:17 GMT
#13
OP needs a higher post count, doesn't understand metagame
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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