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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
September 08 2011 12:50 GMT
#1
To briefly introduce myself, I'm Salivanth, aspiring Brotoss. I'm currently at the tip-top of gold, ranked 1 in my division and defeating Platinums more often than not, eagerly awaiting promotion.

I find in SC2 that I generally have solid matchups, and sucky matchups. These matchups are liable to change on a day to day basis, as I improve and face opponents with better macro and micro than I've ever learnt to face. I love it, constantly facing new challenges and overcoming them is one of the reasons I love SC2. I love seeing myself improve: For example, my APM is now 60-65, when it used to never go above 50 just a week or two ago.

Today's wall was PvP. There are just so many things to fight: 4-Gate, Blink all-in, Immortal push...I seriously considered switching to Terran after about my fourth straight loss to a 1-base push. Then I did some thinking, and realised something about myself. I don't have a problem with being all-ined every game. I have a problem with LOSING to all-ins every game! So I decided to knuckle down and learn to defend them.

I ended up looking up the Robo Twilight build and studying the guide, and mapping out a bit more of a build. I chose Geiko's 3-Gate, into a 32 Robo for DT's if I know they aren't 4-gating (Which should be obvious as a DT build must take a fast second gas) and then making 2 more probes and cutting probes. This is a new experience for me, being able to cut probes and focus on pure units at exactly 24 probes, and it's definitely improved my play, as I've managed to beat 4 out of my last 5 PvP's (And I would have won the fifth if I had remembered I had a Robo to make Immortals out of :/) Simply not making enough units from the 7:00 mark up until I expanded was causing my losses, this I know now. Being able to, in a Zerg-esque manner, focus solely on unit production for a couple of minutes has plugged this weakness.

So now I'm at one of those magical times where all my matchups seem solid. I give it two days, tops, before I hit another wall. My guess is people actually dropping me in PvT. They basically never do, and so I almost always win it. And then I'll learn to overcome that obstacle, and move on. Hopefully the obstacle doesn't pop up before I hit Platinum!

Well, thanks for reading my stream of consciousness. I didn't think anyone would want to read it, before I remembered the amount of time I waste reading blogs that I'm only minimally interested in anyway

Until next time!

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<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
September 08 2011 15:14 GMT
#2
I know you love learning new builds, but you can just learn how to 4-gate properly and not have to worry about PvP until high masters on SEA...
the throws never bothered me anyway
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
September 09 2011 00:03 GMT
#3
Probably, but I'm pretty bad at 4-gating and 4-gating just gets worse and worse every patch. I'm betting by patch 1.5 you'll need a Nexus per 3 Gates on the field I should learn to 4-gate competently though, stop me losing every PvP on Tal'Darim Altar...
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
September 09 2011 00:53 GMT
#4
On September 09 2011 00:14 peidongyang wrote:
I know you love learning new builds, but you can just learn how to 4-gate properly and not have to worry about PvP until high masters on SEA...

Works on NA, but by the time you get to plat on SEA players are quite decent at holding this kind of thing.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
September 09 2011 01:08 GMT
#5
Really? Wow. I can certainly say without a shadow of a doubt that if anybody executed a 4-gate against me properly, at the correct timing, I would die. My build is designed to hold off a 4-gate, but it only works using relative timings. I might be 20 seconds delayed, but so is my opponent, so I can hold his 4-gate off. I love being 4-gated with this build, leads to awesome micro battles, and I'm learning to micro at quite a fast rate.

I really should spend a couple hours in YABOT 4-gating constantly and get the timings down pat so I can win on Tal'Darim, however.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
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