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Yes LG. You. Please save e-sports by getting the OZ team, including Jaedong.
First of all, you can certainly afford it. With a net-income of 5.8 billion USD last year, sponsoring an e-sports team is pocket change for you. But perhaps more importantly, since your major competitors within South Korea (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom) all have teams, I think you should, as well. At a time like this, by investing in e-sports will certainly improve your corporate image and boost sales.
Wait, you are still not convinced? OK look. Just get OZ, and I will get the LG Thrill 4G from AT&T... I promise >__<
 
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Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays.
It's about business. 
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On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business.
No
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On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business.
did you know,we are talking about Jaedong right,and also OP,instead of LG why not look at Korean air who are rumored to sponsor a team unlike LG.
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On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business.
OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT
Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D:
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On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business. OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D:
I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong.
SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded.
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so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2.
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On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2.
Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular?
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On August 31 2011 18:22 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2. Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular?
BW is sponsored by Samsung and Korea Telecom. SC2 is sponsored by chicken joints. Geez, I hope BW never gets THAT popular.
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On August 31 2011 18:22 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2. Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular?
I know you are not BW bashing,and I'm not denying that teams got disbanded.but the fact is the sponsors pulled out for their own reasons not for the lack of faith in the game themselves.the proscene in the case of viewers is still very strong,and there are already new sponsors really interested in sponsoring these teams for example Korean Air.
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There is a reason TV channels are shutting down and teams are disbanding. Sponsors probably don't want to invest in something that is clearly losing steam.
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On August 31 2011 18:30 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:22 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2. Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular? BW is sponsored by Samsung and Korea Telecom. SC2 is sponsored by chicken joints. Geez, I hope BW never gets THAT popular.
Chicken joints? Pepsi, Intel, Razer, Monster (energy drink) on the top of my head.
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On August 31 2011 18:34 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:30 2Pacalypse- wrote:On August 31 2011 18:22 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2. Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular? BW is sponsored by Samsung and Korea Telecom. SC2 is sponsored by chicken joints. Geez, I hope BW never gets THAT popular. Chicken joints? Pepsi, Intel, Razer, Monster (energy drink) on the top of my head.
uhhhh pepsi sponsors GSL not a team,Intel and Razer are Slayers sponsor(which is the only stable Korean SC2 team) Monster sponsors EG...not even korean.
On August 31 2011 18:31 Bosu wrote:
There is a reason TV channels are shutting down and teams are disbanding. Sponsors probably don't want to invest in something that is clearly losing steam.
do you even know why MBC game is shutting down and how much of a ruckus that news has caused?
there is only one point i'm trying to make darkness,you are wrong and there are sponsors interested in BW,I'm not bashing SC2.
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Don't worry about Jaedong. Some team will pick him up for sure.
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I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.
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On August 31 2011 18:30 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:22 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:19 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what if SC2 is more widely sponsored,he lives in south korea,plays BW and in south korea BW gets better sponsors than SC2. Please don't take it as bashing BW or something as I really like BW. However, we can't deny that a lot of teams are going to be disbanded. How are you going to persuade a sponsor if they hear about this disbanding thing, BW being such an old game and SC2 becoming more popular? BW is sponsored by Samsung and Korea Telecom. SC2 is sponsored by chicken joints. Geez, I hope BW never gets THAT popular.
Hahahahah I lol'd
On topic though, I just hope that all the teams get new sponsors. I don't care who it is!
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On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.
People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz.
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Jaedong, whether you stay in broodwar or switch to sc2, I will always be your fan. But the day you switch to sc2 is the day I squeal like a little girl.
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As I already said, I can't believe there isn't a Korean BW fan millionaire, who would just spend a few millions to sponsor a team. Russian billionaires have their own football clubs, so I guess Korean millionaires could do the same on a smaller scale.
Or they could resort to donation. If I remember correclty, Terror made/makes a lot of money by streaming on afreeca, so I'm sure thousands of fans are willing to donate. Watching BW never cost me a cent, and my other hobbies are less interesting and way more expensive, so I wouldn't mind giving even a few hundreds dollars.
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On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business. OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D: I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong. SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded. On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz.
Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running.
Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals.
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On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.
So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others.
On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Yes, you're.
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On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. Yes, you're.
uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea.
no need to bash him.
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Ok I went into this expecting SC2 vs BW blah blah blah.. and that's what I got...
However rumors about Korean Air to be sponsoring a BW team is news to me. What's the source of the rumor as it actually sounds legitimate knowing their past with BW scene.
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On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him.
Is Korea the world? I don't think so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales
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On August 31 2011 19:40 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him. Is Korea the world? I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales
again what the fuck is your point?Why are you going on and on about the world when we are talking about just korea.
What i'm saying,Korean Air has expressed interest in sponsoring a BW team.
What you are saying,Korean air helped SC2's sales...
HOW ARE THESE 2 RELATED?
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On August 31 2011 19:40 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him. Is Korea the world? I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales
This thread is specifically about Korea. What point are you trying to make ?
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Darkness GTFO. You have successfully derailed this thread since your second post here.... and the last few BW threads have became some pointless sc2/bw fanboy wars.... ughhhh....
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On August 31 2011 19:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
What i'm saying,Korean Air has expressed interest in sponsoring a BW team.
uhhh... would you please give a link? (if you remember one, of course)
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On August 31 2011 20:10 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
What i'm saying,Korean Air has expressed interest in sponsoring a BW team. uhhh... would you please give a link? (if you remember one, of course)
Nothing more than rumors, likely made up by community members themselves, a communal pat on each other's back to give hope in situations that seem too grim to comprehend otherwise.
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On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. Yes, you're.
I like how you yourself turn it into a BW v SC2 discussion with numerous first page posts riling people up and then take a big shit on Quasar.
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On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. Yes, you're.
Actually no, it's all because of you trying to compare bw to sc2 in Korea when you don't really know their relative popularity
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God do these people never read interviews? I translated a Stork Twitter Q&A a week or two ago and he certainly said BW > SC2 in popularity / exposure / size in Korea, while acknowledging that outside Korea SC2 > BW.
Back on topic, LG seems like one of the more popular names to be mentioned as potential sponsor here because they're well-known through their electronic products and such. In Korea though, instead of corporate giants sponsoring a progaming team, I think it's more feasible for IT-based mid-to-large sized companies to give a shot at sponsoring a progaming team. Off the top of my head, Naver and Daum are two leading Korean portal/search/email sites that also have expanded their services to internet shopping and such - and it would make sense for them to pick up a team. They could then legitimately advertise progaming on their sites (attract more young people, increase site traffic), and sell progaming merchandise as well. We also know that Daum sponsored an OSL before (with GGPlay winning it!) so they're no newcomers to this business.
DaumOz. Doesn't sound too terrible. NaverOz. Not bad either. I hope KeSPA extends the deadline for finding sponsors and try to get a serious offer from either (or both) of these Korean internet giants.
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On August 31 2011 19:40 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him. Is Korea the world? I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales
What does this matter when the topic on hand is professional BW, which only exists within South Korea?
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LG is also sponsoring SC2 tournaments.. Just saying LG Cinema 3D during GSl World Tournament, and now the China thing if I'm not mistaken =(
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I'm not sure if I can see the LG logo on a SC jacket for some reason...it might make me giggle a bit.
Successful derailing of the thread due to obviously not well thought-out polarizing generalization, complete. Exciting.
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On August 31 2011 21:53 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:40 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him. Is Korea the world? I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales What does this matter when the topic on hand is professional BW, which only exists within South Korea?
A point I wish more people would be aware of.
Any discussion about the BW industry is inevitably a discussion about Korea only because the professional scene only exists in Korea.
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On August 31 2011 23:05 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 21:53 koreasilver wrote:On August 31 2011 19:40 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 19:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 31 2011 19:25 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:(BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. So this thread turned into BW isn't doing well (true) and SC2 is nothing special (false) because of people like Quasar and others. On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
This is ridiculous. Yes, you're. uhh SC2 is nothing special in korea,which is true and BW only cares about korea. no need to bash him. Is Korea the world? I don't think so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft_II#Sales What does this matter when the topic on hand is professional BW, which only exists within South Korea? A point I wish more people would be aware of. Any discussion about the BW industry is inevitably a discussion about Korea only because the professional scene only exists in Korea.
Because people that are new to the BW scene, never looked at BW, or just don't give a shit about BW, don't care. Or they just don't know.
Honestly, if you're introduced to TL from Starcraft 2, and SC2 is what you "learned" as Esports, then BW is going to look pathetic and crappy. Nobody plays it (aside from superomgawesome Korean pros) and it's so small and underpopulated and old when you compare it to the worldwide, shiny and new, super popular SC2.
True story: I always loved Samsung monitors (work in the professional A/V industry) and thought they looked awesome, but never wanted to spend the money ot get them over panasonic, sharp, w/e.
I own 5 Samsung computer monitors and two televisions in support of KHAN - LG should totally pick up one of the teams. :D
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Jaedong to Khan.
Then we have SKT1/KT/Khan clashes for the titles, which will spark the competition and eventually bring back that has been lost during this crysis time.
For those citing SC2, go to somewhere else because no one cares about it when the subject is BW. So just get out.
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On September 01 2011 00:18 fabiano wrote:
Jaedong to Khan.
Then we have SKT1/KT/Khan clashes for the titles, which will spark the competition and eventually bring back that has been lost during this crysis time.
For those citing SC2, go to somewhere else because no one cares about it when the subject is BW. So just get out.
Haha I was once warned for speaking in such a manner, but I guess no moderator can take away the truth about the real inner attitude of BW fans towards the ones bringing SC2 trashtalk onto these forums... 
NO not Jaedong to KHAN pls. If I could pick a team where Jaedong should go (regardless of all contract/salary issues, just to imagine), I'd pick STX, because it wouldn't kill the balance in the proscene. Plus STX is losing Kal, I'm almost sure he gets signed into ACE.
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I wish people who have no idea what's going on would quit dropping in from the sc2 forum to tell us that BW is "dying". I won't make comparisons, because other people have already done that in this thread... but all of the three sponsors that are pulling out aren't doing it because they're jumping off a sinking ship. Sadly with the economy the way it is it's unlikely that three new sponsors will step in, but it's likely that we'll get one new sponsor, maybe for a combined Oz/MBC/WeMade team? A team with Jaedong, Baby, Sea, Killer, Jaehoon, and Mind should be really good... and more competition at the top for SKT/KT/CJ will be a good thing. I hope there isn't another team dissolution draft... because the best players would probably be snatched up by KT/SKT anyway.
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A combined team would be great, WeMade Fox had a solid roster, but lacked more on the motivation side. If you can combine the pillars of all three teams into one with a great coaching staff the team could compete day in day out. Jaedong, Baby, Wooki, Roro, Sea, Tyson would be a nice lineup already. Hopefully a corporation or a rich person jumps on the prospect of combining the three teams.
It would be nice if the Proleague teams had more stores for international fans to buy gear from. I would have loved to buy a WeMade Fox Jacket. The revenue could help fund the team(do what football/soccer teams do and change the kit every year).
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On September 01 2011 00:23 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 00:18 fabiano wrote:
Jaedong to Khan.
Then we have SKT1/KT/Khan clashes for the titles, which will spark the competition and eventually bring back that has been lost during this crysis time.
For those citing SC2, go to somewhere else because no one cares about it when the subject is BW. So just get out. Haha I was once warned for speaking in such a manner, but I guess no moderator can take away the truth about the real inner attitude of BW fans towards the ones bringing SC2 trashtalk onto these forums... NO not Jaedong to KHAN pls. If I could pick a team where Jaedong should go (regardless of all contract/salary issues, just to imagine), I'd pick STX, because it wouldn't kill the balance in the proscene. Plus STX is losing Kal, I'm almost sure he gets signed into ACE. User was warned for this post
Jesus Christ.
This thread is definitively about Brood War. It's got nothing to do with SC2. So his comment makes sense here.
Your comment was a crazy rant to someone who posted on topic. Do not post these little shots about moderators in passing. If you want to contest your warning, PM me directly instead of twisting the reason for your warning.
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Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team.
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Do you still watch BW progaming, Chill? :D
I really like the idea of JD in Khan since I'm a huge fan of both Khan and JD, and it would make things really interesting in the top with KT, SKT CJ (Effort ftw) and Samsung duking it out. But more than that I like the idea of a new team forming with the players from Fox, Oz and MBC. That would be one hell of a team. Hope they can find a sponsor for that! ^__^
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On September 01 2011 01:13 Holgerius wrote:
Do you still watch BW progaming, Chill? :D
I don't stay up for it. If it's on when I'm up, I watch it. I only end up seeing 2-3 matches per month these days. Last games I saw were Jangbi vs Flash (aka Nada vs Foru ^^).
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On September 01 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team.
yeah apparently if they don't find sponsors for all three teams they are going to create a "dream team" off them and sell them as one team with like the top players,vets(so anytime and midas stay) and a couple of rookies while the rest get drafted or something.
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On September 01 2011 01:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team. yeah apparently if they don't find sponsors for all three teams they are going to create a "dream team" off them and sell them as one team with like the top players,vets(so anytime and midas stay) and a couple of rookies while the rest get drafted or something.
That's really not that bad of a situation. Condense the talent and trim the fat
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At the minimum there will be 8 teams (same as pro-baseball in Korea) for next season's PL, so just stay positive and wait for the outcome of the sponsor negotiations.
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Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before.  Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.
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On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Why can't someone wish for something without you shooting them down.
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On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business. OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D: I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong. SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded. Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz. Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running. Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals.
You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.
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On September 01 2011 02:06 Holgerius wrote:Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before. Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.
Fewer new players in the draft but the Mystarleague and Rookie League numbers have been very good. Draft numbers are low because of the all the pessimism. And low draft numbers in turn generate even more pessimism.
Teams also need to be more efficiently managed, unlike Wemade Fox. I hope this is a wake-up call for the other teams. What would also be good is more competitions for amateurs and semi-pros. Competitions like Mystarleague and RL keep the interest alive amongst aspiring pros.
Regarding MBCGame... There are other, non-BW related factors behind their closing. Some of that is company politics.
This is a real test for BW but if it can survive this, there will be many many more years of pro-BW to come.
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On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:
You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.
I am using wiki (lol) to back up what I'm going to say - but the same reason Samsung has a proteam? Samsung is a huge international company as well, and they've got a team.
"LG Corp. (Korean: LG 법인) is the second-largest South Korean conglomerate company following Samsung, and it is headquartered in the LG Twin Towers in Yeouido-dong, Yeongdeungpo-gu, Seoul."
It's not like LG wouldn't benefit from having a team as well, to rival Samsung.
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On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business. OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D: I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong. SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded. On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz. Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running. Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals. You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.
BW is on primetime TV. SC2 is on random internet streams.
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On September 01 2011 02:06 Holgerius wrote:Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before. Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.
If we do get a merger of the three disbanding teams, I'm sure they'll get a sponsor with their solid roster. There's potential for a lot of star power, excluding Jaedong since he's already the driving force. And a team like that could easily contend for the championship every season. Also, OGN will be the single channel airing these games, so we should get quality matches every week.
In turn, this increased competition among Proleague will surely stimulate excitement. Hopefully it would bring in more and more aspiring rookies that could one day become the next Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, etc.
Maybe there might never be any more expansions to the 8 teams, but with a revival of rookies, the teams could last a lot longer and provide more competition in the long run so that there wouldn't be any more disbandings in the future.
/optimism
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On September 01 2011 02:43 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays. It's about business. OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D: I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong. SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded. On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).
This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this. People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz. Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running. Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals. You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country. BW is on primetime TV. SC2 is on random internet streams.
This is a pretty big point, lol.
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First and foremost, LG is not an international company, but a Korean one. And I doubt that the LG CEO's know about the foreign SC2 scene or are interested in it. BW is a visible industry in Korea.
Oh, and what that guy above me with the beer icon said.
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On August 31 2011 18:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Yes LG. You. Please save e-sports by getting the OZ team, including Jaedong.
First of all, you can certainly afford it. With a net-income of 5.8 billion USD last year, sponsoring an e-sports team is pocket change for you. But perhaps more importantly, since your major competitors within South Korea (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom) all have teams, I think you should, as well. At a time like this, by investing in e-sports will certainly improve your corporate image and boost sales.
Wait, you are still not convinced? OK look. Just get OZ, and I will get the LG Thrill 4G from AT&T... I promise >__<
Maybe I am not a first, but will LG read this post?
As for OZ/MBC/Fox - for me it is enough, if kespa will create a dream team with best players of OZ/MBC/Fox, for example jae, killer, hiya, anytime, baby, mind, shine, jaehoon, sea.
As you know, CJ team is not bad, and now it contains from players of hite, estro and old CJ.
P.S. Yes - I am OZ fan, and 70% of my BW movie is about OZ.
P.S.2. Maybe we need to show my "bw forever" movie to kespa and LG, and they will close all BW proscene forever? Just kidding
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No matter what happens to OZ I'm sure he will get multiple offers and there won't be any problem. Top players like him will obviously wait until the new game has been figured out a bit more so they can actually use their incredible decision making(esp in JD's case). In any case OZ or not, Jaedong hwaiting!
BTW
to sc2 forum people: BW is still dominating Korea, and with a reason. It's strategy level is high above what we currently have in sc2. It is the solid concept our new game is built upon and the peak we hope to reach some day.
to bw forum people: I am still watching BW every day and love the game that I grew up with, but I cannot understand the recent tone of the bw forum. What is up with the 'hipster nerd' syndrome? You sound like these old people who don't accept the use of computers, smartphones and ..all new technology. The game is still named StarCraft , despite units and mechanics the basics of economy are the same and that drives strategy.
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Honestly though, LG is already one of the most recognized companies on Korea so it would not benefit them in a business sense to sponsor a Korean BW team than an international SC2 team. Having said that, they aren't mutually exclusive and I hope that they or another company do pick up at least some of the remaining MBC/FOX/Oz players and make a new team, although it certainly doesn't have to be LG of course. In fact, LG hasn't show any interest in BW recently and their recent forays into esports have consisted of a couple meagre attempts to popularize their 3D displays and even these attempts have been relative failures or so it seems.
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I hate to say things before they're confirmed.
But rumors (complete rumors) among some fomos users: Cho Hyun Min, who works at Korean Air/Jin Air (and helped sponsoring the Korean Air Season 1/2), is looking into merging 3 teams, don't know which company will actually sponsor it.
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On September 05 2011 23:42 tyCe wrote:
Honestly though, LG is already one of the most recognized companies on Korea so it would not benefit them in a business sense to sponsor a Korean BW team than an international SC2 team.
i dunno about that...
companies pay millions of dollars to put their name on a stadium in the US, and we already know their names.
samsung is practically royalty in korea also.
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On September 06 2011 02:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
I hate to say things before they're confirmed.
But rumors (complete rumors) among some fomos users: Cho Hyun Min, who works at Korean Air/Jin Air (and helped sponsoring the Korean Air Season 1/2), is looking into merging 3 teams, don't know which company will actually sponsor it.
So there's no official news yet on whether there are sponsorship negotiations going on?
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On August 31 2011 18:31 Bosu wrote:
There is a reason TV channels are shutting down and teams are disbanding. Sponsors probably don't want to invest in something that is clearly losing steam.
It's not that BW is losing steam, it's that they see Music/K-pop as more popular than ESPORTs
Also, on progamers switching....
You may want to see JD/Flash/Bisu whoever switch.
But I don't want to see JD lose his double pronged mutalisk assault to some lucky thor shots.
I don't want to see Flash lose half his bio ball to some lucky burrowed banelings.
I don't want to see Bisu's army evaporate in 5 seconds due to some lucky EMPs.
I don't want to see Stork's brilliance be stuffed into a box known as a colossus.
I don't want to see Effort conjure up a brilliant economic mind game, only to have it melted away by some lucky hellion drop.
I don't want to see Violet 4 gate every game.
I don't want to see ForGG.... do whatever the hell ForGG does...
I could go on, but the thing is, I don't believe SC2 actually gives progamers a fair chance to explicitly show their skills.
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Eh? Mutas dying to thor shots isn't much different to them dying to irradiate. Burrowed banelings are worse than stop lurkers, etc. etc. etc.
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On September 06 2011 08:41 Nazza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 18:31 Bosu wrote:
There is a reason TV channels are shutting down and teams are disbanding. Sponsors probably don't want to invest in something that is clearly losing steam. It's not that BW is losing steam, it's that they see Music/K-pop as more popular than ESPORTs Also, on progamers switching.... You may want to see JD/Flash/Bisu whoever switch. But I don't want to see JD lose his double pronged mutalisk assault to some lucky thor shots. I don't want to see Flash lose half his bio ball to some lucky burrowed banelings. I don't want to see Bisu's army evaporate in 5 seconds due to some lucky EMPs. I don't want to see Stork's brilliance be stuffed into a box known as a colossus. I don't want to see Effort conjure up a brilliant economic mind game, only to have it melted away by some lucky hellion drop. I don't want to see Violet 4 gate every game. I don't want to see ForGG.... do whatever the hell ForGG does... I could go on, but the thing is, I don't believe SC2 actually gives progamers a fair chance to explicitly show their skills.
A lot of these are actually being fixed in the next patch. (I hope.)
Also, this assumes that they'd all be playing the same race. Hahaha.
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On September 06 2011 06:58 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 23:42 tyCe wrote:
Honestly though, LG is already one of the most recognized companies on Korea so it would not benefit them in a business sense to sponsor a Korean BW team than an international SC2 team. i dunno about that... companies pay millions of dollars to put their name on a stadium in the US, and we already know their names. samsung is practically royalty in korea also.
Both LG and Samsung (삼성 or Samseong) are Korean companies so yes it makes perfect sense for LG to sponsor a Korean BW team if they choose to.
I guess I'm pretty much proof that it works too. When choosing a new monitor years ago I paid extra for Samsung just because:
- They make good products.
- They sponsor a BW team.
And I'm not even Korean!
I also have a Samsung TV and DVD player.
Honestly, if Samsung didn't have Samsung Khan I would have most likely bought some random brand Taiwanese monitor that was just as good and probably cheaper. I like to think that buying Samsung supports BW though
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lg have had the opportunity in the past 6 years to buy a progaming team (plus, toona, soul, kor, go, pos were all available back then). if they didn't do it back then, there's a reason why they're not going to do it now.
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