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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 31 2011 08:28 GMT
#41
Different countries, different layouts.
The picture you posted looks like a scandinavian, though there are probably different variations for denmark, sweden, norway, finland and whatever else country is in that region.

Take a look at this and see how many variations there are actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout

Keyboard producers will try to save costs by using the same layout for all keyboards, going by the layout that would fit their biggest customer base.
For example if 50% of the customers use layout A, 10% layout B, 20% layout C and 20 layout D, they produce a lot of layout A and adapt it to other languages by just printing different letters on the keys and changing what signal the key sends.

You can get used to any layout when you use it regularly or you can just pick a different model/vendor.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 10:45:36
August 31 2011 10:43 GMT
#42
On August 31 2011 15:16 susySquark wrote:
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On August 31 2011 15:00 Jibba wrote:
On August 31 2011 11:00 FinBenton wrote:
6Gv2 has normal, bigger backspace. The huge enter is also fine, I actually love it

Yeah but the 6gv2 also has the stupid \ key where / should be, and the SS key is relatively useless. There's a thousand better ways they could've implemented the media keys.

SS fucked up on the layout of the 6gv2 and 7g. For that matter, Razer fucked up on the Blackwidow's as well. I ended up popping off all the macro keys, so the keyboard would feel right.


DUDE thats the other thing, I actually use my Windows key for shortcuts like Win+D, Win+R, Win+M, and for the start menu. Can the SS key work as a windows key?

Nope, gotta hit it on the other side of the keyboard. :/

And the only real use out if it are the media buttons, except BW has the same thing without a custom key. I've ditched my 6gv2 for a Blackwidow (with macro keys ripped off.) Das and Filco obviously make better, more intelligently designed products, but the costs are so much higher. The Blackwidow was $60 last week.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 11:10:58
August 31 2011 11:05 GMT
#43
Strictly talking about sizes of enter/backspace/shift/etc, i.e. not about the mapping of any sort of characters, I have to say I feel the EU/ISO layout is superior to the US/ANSI one. It has large enter + large backspace, but a smaller left shift.

UK ISO (one of many EU ISOs):
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US ANSI:
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Never seen an enter key like in the OP before tbh, I can see why people think it's silly though.
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tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
August 31 2011 12:31 GMT
#44
My keyboard has a giant enter key like the OP along with a small backspace, honestly i think its just a matter or what you get used to. i touch type and never mis-hit my backspace key, also, when my right thumb rests just below spacebar my pinky all but rests just over the enter key and i dont need to really bend it or anything, i just bash it down in that general direction haha, i think if i switched keyboards it'd take quite some time before i stopped hitting the backslash key instead of enter
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 31 2011 12:34 GMT
#45
I have an HP laptop and there is an extra row of keys on the left.
I had to disable the calculator one which was right beside control because it kept opening during games.
Also this makes it harder to find keys from the left edge of the keyboard and the left shift is really small.
I would love a classic keyboard
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 31 2011 13:12 GMT
#46
On August 31 2011 20:05 Carnac wrote:
Strictly talking about sizes of enter/backspace/shift/etc, i.e. not about the mapping of any sort of characters, I have to say I feel the EU/ISO layout is superior to the US/ANSI one. It has large enter + large backspace, but a smaller left shift.

UK ISO (one of many EU ISOs):
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US ANSI:
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Never seen an enter key like in the OP before tbh, I can see why people think it's silly though.


The big enter and small backspace seem to be from the taiwanese/korean layout:

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It would make sense for a manufacturer to adapt the US layout to this layout if most of the customers are from taiwan/korea or other asian regions with the same layout.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
August 31 2011 16:41 GMT
#47
I would go crazy with a "normal"-sized enter key. Backspace...meh, not as important. It's somewhat hard to miss, since it's right above the oversized enter key.

Slightly offtopic: I was typing on my laptop and a girl I know leans over and says "You type in a funny way". I'm like "Wtf, no I'm not..." to which she answers: "Yes you do, you use that key above enter." Turns out, she never used that key. Ever. Delete all the way.
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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
August 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#48
Its all marketing. They want the steelseries to be your first gaming keyboard.

Then you'll get used to their way and only prefer that, hahahaha
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
August 31 2011 18:21 GMT
#49
On August 31 2011 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
I have it worse. I just bought a gaming laptop. The bottom left most key is not ctrl, it is function, and it has an extra backslash key between alt and space. For a gaming laptop, there aren't many games I can play with it.


same thing for me. I just remapped capslock to control lol.
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susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
August 31 2011 18:48 GMT
#50
On August 31 2011 19:43 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 15:16 susySquark wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:00 Jibba wrote:
On August 31 2011 11:00 FinBenton wrote:
6Gv2 has normal, bigger backspace. The huge enter is also fine, I actually love it

Yeah but the 6gv2 also has the stupid \ key where / should be, and the SS key is relatively useless. There's a thousand better ways they could've implemented the media keys.

SS fucked up on the layout of the 6gv2 and 7g. For that matter, Razer fucked up on the Blackwidow's as well. I ended up popping off all the macro keys, so the keyboard would feel right.


DUDE thats the other thing, I actually use my Windows key for shortcuts like Win+D, Win+R, Win+M, and for the start menu. Can the SS key work as a windows key?

Nope, gotta hit it on the other side of the keyboard. :/

And the only real use out if it are the media buttons, except BW has the same thing without a custom key. I've ditched my 6gv2 for a Blackwidow (with macro keys ripped off.) Das and Filco obviously make better, more intelligently designed products, but the costs are so much higher. The Blackwidow was $60 last week.


Whelp so much for that. I guess it's going to be a filcos for me.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 19:25:42
August 31 2011 19:24 GMT
#51
The Logitech keyboard I use has large enter, backspace, and delete keys and moves insert next to print screen 8)

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