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Why do keyboard makers do this??

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susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 02:10:23
August 31 2011 01:35 GMT
#1
Shopping for a new mechanical keyboard, just curiously poking around, when I come across some products that a lot of people and pros here use, like the Steelseries keyboards. Now, things like switch type, price, connector type, etc are the usual criteria that come to mind when shopping for keyboards. What SHOULDN'T be a deciding factor, is the layout of the damn ENTER and BACKSPACE key. Who the heck decided to have one of these

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I mean, does anyone actually LIKE having a tiny ass backspace key? Does the enter key really need to be that big, so as to dislocate the " | \ " key? I mean, if you have to have an enter key that large, how the fuck are you using the rest of the keys?

I'd love to buy a keyboard from Steelseires, but fact is, while they have great switches, are priced competitively, etc., they do NOT stock a keyboard that has this layout:
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Its not because english keyboards are like that. Logitech keyboards have the desired layout. Adesso makes one with the one I like. Razer's is the right way (but more expensive). I'm just saying, Steelseries sponsors a lot of nice programers/teams and it'd be nice if I could support them. So why do they make stupid keyboards? I ask again,

Does anyone ACTUALLY LIKE having a small backspace? If not, why is steelseries making it that way?

Poll: Enter/backspace layout

Regular Enter / Long Backspace (109)
 
58%

Oversize Enter / Long Backspace (46)
 
25%

Oversize Enter / Small Backspace (30)
 
16%

Regular Enter / Small Backspace (2)
 
1%

187 total votes

Your vote: Enter/backspace layout

(Vote): Oversize Enter / Long Backspace
(Vote): Oversize Enter / Small Backspace
(Vote): Regular Enter / Long Backspace
(Vote): Regular Enter / Small Backspace



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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
August 31 2011 01:37 GMT
#2
just out of curiosity... what is the advantage of a mechanical keyboard?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
August 31 2011 01:40 GMT
#3
my keyboard has a huge enter key and a huge backspace, wouldnt have it any other way.
Where there's smoke, there's me
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
August 31 2011 01:42 GMT
#4
I think a lot of foreign keyboard layouts have the large enter key. If you look at that image it has several non-English characters on it, so I would wager that traditionally keyboards in those languages had that setup, and people adjusted to it and now feel most comfortable with it.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
August 31 2011 01:43 GMT
#5
My maurader keyboard has the regular sized enter and backspace keys, and its downright amazing! How many other keyboards can blink any color you want when your base is under attack
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 31 2011 01:44 GMT
#6
I have it worse. I just bought a gaming laptop. The bottom left most key is not ctrl, it is function, and it has an extra backslash key between alt and space. For a gaming laptop, there aren't many games I can play with it.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
August 31 2011 01:44 GMT
#7
get a das keyboard. excellent layout, and decently made mechanical switches
d=(^_^)z
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
August 31 2011 01:44 GMT
#8
that's because US keyboard layouts are like that.
this is how it is in germany (notice how long the backspace key is^^)
http://www.beautyspion.de/spionneu/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dialekt-tastatur-hessen.jpg
Bababooey
Profile Joined May 2011
19 Posts
August 31 2011 01:45 GMT
#9
On August 31 2011 10:37 puppykiller wrote:
just out of curiosity... what is the advantage of a mechanical keyboard?


One is that the tactile sensation is really awesome. Here's a link for further reading:
http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 01:48:44
August 31 2011 01:46 GMT
#10
On August 31 2011 10:42 Ingenol wrote:
I think a lot of foreign keyboard layouts have the large enter key. If you look at that image it has several non-English characters on it, so I would wager that traditionally keyboards in those languages had that setup, and people adjusted to it and now feel most comfortable with it.


I cant think of how someone could miss their enter key so bad as to necessitate that large of one. It's simply a waste of space... and not to mention the small, hard to reach, backspace key. I mess up way too often while typing for that small little thing to be effective. I'd be typing \'s all day instead of erasing mistakes.



On August 31 2011 10:44 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
that's because US keyboard layouts are like that.
this is how it is in germany (notice how long the backspace key is^^)
http://www.beautyspion.de/spionneu/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dialekt-tastatur-hessen.jpg



Its not because english keyboards are like that. Logitech keyboards have the desired layout. Adesso makes one with the one I like. Razer's is the right way (but more expensive). I'm just saying, Steelseries sponsors a lot of nice programers/teams and it'd be nice if I could support them. So why do they make stupid keyboards? I ask again,

Does anyone ACTUALLY LIKE having a small backspace? If not, why is steelseries making it that way?
asdfjh
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada230 Posts
August 31 2011 01:51 GMT
#11
Well I don't like the big enter. But I don't see the problem with a small backspace -- you only use it when you make mistakes typing or something.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
August 31 2011 01:53 GMT
#12
The other interesting thing is that according to the Steelseries website the 7G has the truncated backspace, but the 6GV2 and the "Shift" do not.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 01:56:56
August 31 2011 01:55 GMT
#13
On August 31 2011 10:51 asdfjh wrote:
Well I don't like the big enter. But I don't see the problem with a small backspace -- you only use it when you make mistakes typing or something.


I type at around 120 WPM and often make mistakes. And I often change my mind about what I'm writing, and I write a lot as part of my work/school/etc. So.... yeah I'd like to have a bigger backspace. And I'm used to the non-truncated one by now too, after 15 years of computer use.


On August 31 2011 10:53 Ingenol wrote:
The other interesting thing is that according to the Steelseries website the 7G has the truncated backspace, but the 6GV2 and the "Shift" do not.


But they all have the excessively large and space wasting enter key, which moves the " | \" key to where the right SHIFT would be, and makes THAT shorter instead. And I use my right shift key!!
SatelliteNoodles
Profile Joined June 2011
220 Posts
August 31 2011 01:58 GMT
#14
I sometimes hit enter instead of backspace.
*message sent* wha!?
GIVE ME COMMAND... - Yell0w ­­­
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 01:59:22
August 31 2011 01:59 GMT
#15
I never understood the concept of why anyone would want big enter--but I understand the problems associated with small shift+small backspace. Usually with the Fn/Ctrl problems there's a BIOS setting or another software fix that you can apply to remap the keys.
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FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
August 31 2011 02:00 GMT
#16
6Gv2 has normal, bigger backspace. The huge enter is also fine, I actually love it
ligas
Profile Joined May 2011
81 Posts
August 31 2011 02:02 GMT
#17
i like big backspaces and i cannot lie.

and big ctrls. ive been stocking up since looking at the trend of kb manufacturers they seem to be focusing on how it looks ie shiny surfaces, keys that light up, lcd screens, etc (they actually charge more for making the keyboard worse). the only decent rubber dome out there is the lenovo preferred pro that cant be bought off the rack.

wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
August 31 2011 02:03 GMT
#18
i once used a keyboard that had a small right shift key (i use it over left shift for caps). drove me insane =_=;
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 31 2011 02:04 GMT
#19
I get hugely tilted by over-sized backspace keys, I refuse to use keyboards with that design.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
August 31 2011 02:07 GMT
#20
I can't deal with the small backspace key, no way.. enter key like that isn't TOO bad, but I prefer it not as well.

I have the Dell L100 keyboard, I think it's a pretty good layout:

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