EPT2. try guitars, find shape you like
3. ask sales guy for a starter version of that shape
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
2. try guitars, find shape you like 3. ask sales guy for a starter version of that shape enjoy | ||
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Klaca
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
On August 29 2011 03:04 hellsan631 wrote: I recommend Ibanez, as most if not all manufactures, at that price, do a really terrible job at wiring. Its all up to personal preference, but there are two things you should look for when buying a guitar. First, go to a local guitar store, and grab a really expensive ibanez, and crank up an amp loud with lots of distortion. (use an ibanez jem) You want to get a feel as to how a great guitar is wired. You should hear little to no background or "white" noise, when your not picking the strings. Of course there will be some, but in general, if your hand if off the guitar, then it should be fine. Also, when testing a guitar, turn all the knobs a ton, from 100% to 0%, to make sure the guitar has good pots. there shouldn't be any pops or cracks when doing this. Then, when you have an idea of what a good guitar sounds like, find a neck and weight that is best for you. If you have large hands, you may like the bigger necks. The thicker the next, the more tone you get from the guitar body. Try the SG guitar shape, the LesPaul (these are very very heavy in general), the strat body shape, and make sure you also enjoy having the guitar rest on your leg. Make some scratching noises, maybe play a couple of power chords. Always try more expensive guitars first, so you can get a good "benchmark" Also, stay away from dean. I've never picked up a dean guitar that has had good internal wiring. Not even the most expensive models. This man's advice is excellent, heed his words. Personally I think you should stay away from the SG shapes, as I hear they are very top heavy (the neck will fall towards the ground if you aren't holding it upright). Also the neck joint has always made me feel uncomfortable as I think it will snap off any minute, lol! :\ Also, while you hear people say that a thicker neck will give a thicker tone, when they are talking about things like this you shouldn't really get worked up about the neck size; if it feels comfortable, you should go with it, even if its a super thin wizard II (ibanez) neck or a jackson. The size of the neck will contribute to maybe 1% of your final guitar sound, getting a decent amplifier and then decent pickups will have by far the most important effects on tone. If you spend a decent chunk of cash for a good amplifer you will definitely be more happy than if you blew your wad (of cash) on a guitar made of a fancy sounding wood with a massive baseball neck. Also, IMO you shouldn't get a pointy black guitar. When you just start out you will undoubtibly succumb to the 'OMG POINTY IS KOOL' way of thinking when browsing guitars, but most people look incredibly silly with them, especially when standing up. Unless you are alexi laiho, ofc. ![[image loading]](http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/7/8/1/1/781166/pics/_c631584_image_0.jpg) Also, a black guitar will reveal every little smudge and hand mark (much like a mirror), unless you are getting a guitar with a matte finish (Most, as in 99.99% of guitars have a lacquer finish). White guitars always look classy | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
 nah, sorry. My advice would be: forget optics, most people buy instruments that are really fancy or special in a visual way, but under average in sound and accessibility (entire BC Rich company lives off that ) I find it more impressing to see a player get a sick sound of an average looking guitar then one running around in a cape with his vampire guitar ruining the solo | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/dean-vendetta-xmt-electric-guitar-with-tremolo http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-25r-frontman-series-ii-25w-1x10-guitar-combo-amp That combo will produce a nice sound, but that isn't really important, you only need a nice sound later if you actually stick with the guitar for many years. Sometimes you'll buy an instrument and stop playing it after a year or so, you'll never know till you TRY to play the instrument all the time a lot if you actually can stick with it or not, so that's my advice is to start really cheap. These are not badly made products either. I had a frontman and it sounds great for a practice amp for personal use, good tone. My friend had a Dean electric guitar, worked great, easy to play on. And I agree with everyone's advice to buy used instead of new. Go to craigslist, was just showing you in case you needed to buy new, I bought everything I ever had for my interest in bass and guitar from musicians friend. They have great deals. | ||
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6d.Leek
United States76 Posts
On August 29 2011 02:48 talleyhooo wrote: I would recommend you go to guitar center and just play on a lot of different guitars. Take your time.The first thing I would focus on is the neck... what type of guitar neck are you most comfortable playing on? A very good recommendation. I ask because in jazz it's a lot better to have a semi-hollow or hollow body. If you're going with just rock, make sure as talleyhooo has said to try a few different guitars out. The thickness of the neck and various other features should be tested out. Remember to take everything with a grain of salt and just try it out for yourself. If you plan on taking guitar more seriously than just fiddling around the first guitar purchase is not too big of a deal. I myself started out with a Mexican strat. In terms of getting new strings also, once you start playing more to try out a lot of different brands and gauges of strings. | ||
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Klaca
318 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:12 Aberu wrote: I highly recommend since you are just getting into guitar to start really cheap. 500 bucks is a big investment when all you need is a guitar to practice on and an amp that produces sound. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/dean-vendetta-xmt-electric-guitar-with-tremolo http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-25r-frontman-series-ii-25w-1x10-guitar-combo-amp That combo will produce a nice sound, but that isn't really important, you only need a nice sound later if you actually stick with the guitar for many years. Sometimes you'll buy an instrument and stop playing it after a year or so, you'll never know till you TRY to play the instrument all the time a lot if you actually can stick with it or not, so that's my advice is to start really cheap. These are not badly made products either. I had a frontman and it sounds great for a practice amp for personal use, good tone. My friend had a Dean electric guitar, worked great, easy to play on. And I agree with everyone's advice to buy used instead of new. Go to craigslist, was just showing you in case you needed to buy new, I bought everything I ever had for my interest in bass and guitar from musicians friend. They have great deals. Oh come on the amp sounds terrible.. the guy wants to rock out. If he hears himself sound like that, how will that motivate him to keep playing? It wont. Thats why its pointless to buy crappy amps. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Honestly, I recommend that you look at the Agile guitars. They're knockoffs, but their quality is really good for their price. Obviously you're not going to get an amazing guitar in any sense, but as a beginner you do not need an amazing guitar. Their price ranges from the cheap Squiers and Epiphones to like the low end Fenders and high end Epiphones, except that their quality is arguably better than Epiphone (Fender's low end guitars have upped their quality rather well the past couple of years). As for an amp, just get a small practice amp. I recommend the Orange Crush series or the inexpensive Blackheart amps for this purpose. They are really decent little practice amps that you can keep around into the future even if you take the hobby seriously and years later buy a proper guitar and amp. But where you're at, don't worry about equipment specifics. As long as you get a workable guitar and a workable amp, that's all you really need. Worry about getting the things that you want after you become comfortable with playing. | ||
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
- Get a guitar with humbucker pickups (of with a combination of humbuckers and single coils like the Ibanez RGs). Single coils have their place, but if you want to play metal and rock they are not really suited. - Don't get a tremolo. You will not use it, it drives up the price of the guitar and it will complicate switching string gauge, tunings and setup. - The amp makes the sound. 1000€ guitar + 200€ amp sounds like shit, 200€ guitar + 1000€ amp sounds decent. Only if you have a good amp already, start worrying about the sound of the guitar. - Get a standard form: Either stratocaster, superstrat (like the Ibanez RGs) or les paul. And the most important: Just try them out. Eventually you will find one that you like. I went to the store to spend 900€ on a guitar and came back with a 350€ one that I liked more than those for even 1300€. You can always upgrade wiring and pickups if you eventually want a better sound, but you can't upgrade necks or bodies (that easy). Don't just buy a guitar because it is popular (looking at you, Les Paul), because in the end it is you who has to play it | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
Amp and effects pedal is very important to your overall sound, but for a starter I wouldn't worry too much about them, since anything will allow you to get the hundreds of hours of practice you will be looking forward to, after which time you can probably look to upgrade. Some people in this thread have suggested Ibanez guitars. I don't like their electric guitars shape, but they make very good quality affordable acoustic guitars so I guess that their electric ones will also be well made. Overall, I would choose the prettiest and most shiny one, since just looking cool is very important and inspirational. | ||
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JeanBob
Canada295 Posts
Else if you're looking for something to start with and really don,t want to go over 500$ consider any beginner kit, they won't be your friend if you want to get really good, but will do the job and help you learn everything you need. Later on if you really like it and have more budget, you can move on to anything else you like, depending on your style of music (Ibanez, Gibson, Jackson, BC Rich, etc...). EDIT: On August 29 2011 07:50 Dalguno wrote: I'd suggest something Ibanez. From every one that I've played, they seem super consistent and solid. I've never owned one, just played my friends', but you can get some pretty cheap. I owned an Epiphone Les Paul, and wouldn't suggest it unless you're going to have a pretty decent amp to make it sound good. The neck is pretty thick, and honestly probably not the best starter guitar. I agree with this, as Ibanez is my personal favorite, mainly because Jani Liimatainen for Sonata Arctica plays on that, and they offer good beginner kits, tho I do not remember the price... *googles* Here it goes!. | ||
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Happy Juvia
15 Posts
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danmooj1
United States1855 Posts
On August 29 2011 12:08 Happy Juvia wrote: Jesus Christ, use the search function: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95095 I'm atheist but thank you for the link. You christians are so nice | ||
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Happy Juvia
15 Posts
On August 29 2011 18:21 danmooj1 wrote: I'm atheist but thank you for the link. You christians are so nice I'm an atheist actually, in case you don't realise what I've done: "Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin" - Mark 3:28-29. If anything, my post is an example of an atheist being frustrated with people who are lazy. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
its my secondary one that I play at home. Dates from the 90s (they don't make em anymore), is a shortscale, so its good if you have small(ish) hands. 22 frets, you can find them for anywhere from 250+ although lately i've only seen them for 400+. i snagged mine off a guitar center for 350, first and last thing i bought from a guitar center. thing is indestructible. It was playable right out of the box, which considering it came from dry as fuck New Mexico to the former swamp East Coast is pretty impressive. I've dropped it, sat on it, left the strings on it for too long without playing it, i.e. basically every single thing you should not do to your guitar. Haven't tried soaking it in water but i'm not going to do that. Its fine, just a few tiny scratches. Neck is real good too, same neck as the japanese fender jaguars (which i must say are impossible to find in the states these days). Pickups are also (imho) really good for the price, beats 700$+ guitar pickups easy. Most jagmasters have terrible pickups but vista jagmasters are basically a much cheaper version of the fender jaguar with virtually same parts, less confusing switches and an easier to take care of strat-style tremolo. again they real rare these days but they dont lose value so if you inevitably decide that guitars aren't for you you can ebay it for no loss or maybe even a small profit. But if you do let me know, I know people who really want one if you happen to no longer want it. here's a picture: ![[image loading]](http://www.altnation.com/forums/attachments/music-equipment-tech-talk/49853d1127923422-guitars-sale-fender-squier-jagmaster-vista-series-fe271600_sb-1-.jpg) i think that's actually the picture of my guitar p.p.s. in terms of a good sound its like pickups: 49% amp: 49% the rest of the guitar: 2% but in terms of not killing yourself its shape/weight: 30% feel of the neck: 30% color: 20% having a well-built guitar/good parts so you dont need to constantly get it fixed: 20% you kinda want both. you can have great sound but if it isn't fun to play you'll stop playing, and if it fits good but it sounds like shit you'll stop playing. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
and the biggest reason why you shouldnt get a crappy starter guitar is that having a bad instrument will be harder to play with and sound worse, making it hard for you to stay commited. the best thing you can do is find a friend who actually knows what they are doing to go with you to a store. one of the good things said in this thread is that the amp determines much more of your tone than the guitar. the actual guitar is important more for how it feels to play it and being stable as far as intonation etc. for a cheap practice amp i would look through some of these. these are modelling amps. they have decent tone and have pretty versatile settings. lets you experiment. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/vox-valvetronix-vt15-15w-1x8-guitar-combo-amp http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/roland-cube-20xl-20w-1x8-guitar-combo-amp/h68601000001000 if you want to spend alittle more money, you can get my amp. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-super-champ-xd-guitar-combo-amp its pretty cheap, and has the whole digital modeling thing for flexibility. but when you want tone, you can switch to the clean channel, which is VERY pure and VERY responsive. this is because part of this amp actually has real tubes in it as opposed to being full on digital. in addition, it does a REALLY good job of modeling spring reverb. other options are getting a full tube amp. itll come with less knobs to screw around with but offers you better sound. the drawback being you kinda have to crank them abit to get the best sound out of them. heres a couple to look up epiphone valve jr vox ac4tv lastly for your guitar I HIGHLY recommend checking out www.rondomusic.com they make some les paul copies(the Agiles) that are made in korea and rival guitars with 2-4x their price. the quality control is very good. some of teh other guitars they sell(SX, douglas) arent quite as good, but are still better than the cheapos that fender and gibson put out. they might just take abit of work to get to a sweet spot. you can ask some questions at a forum they have set up called agileguitarforum.com | ||
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Happy Juvia
15 Posts
One of the good things said in this thread is that the amp determines much more of your tone than the guitar. The actual guitar is important more for how it feels to play it and being stable as far as intonation etc. For a cheap practice amp I would look at a Marshal MG50. These are modelling amps. They have decent tone and have pretty versatile settings. Lets you experiment. If you want to spend a little more money, you can get my amp, a a Fender '59 Bassman Reissue. It's pretty cheap, and has the whole digital modeling thing for flexibility. But when you want tone, you can switch to the clean channel, which is VERY pure and VERY responsive. This is because part of this amp actually has real tubes in it as opposed to being full on digital. In addition, it does a REALLY good job of modeling spring reverb. Lastly for your guitar I HIGHLY recommend checking out: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0106200806 User was banned for this post. | ||
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Klaca
318 Posts
On August 30 2011 04:31 Orpheos wrote: Fender amps generally have a crappy overdrive tone due to their voicing. So stay the hell away from the super champ or any of their line up if you want to rock outugh it hurts SOOOO MUCH when I hear people giving bad advice. PLEASE do not get any "starter pack" deals especially not from big names. they are really just putting their name on a piece of shit plank and selling it to people who dont know better. people think that if they dont like it, having not invested alot will be okay. the difference is if you just get something slightly better, and you end up not liking it, there will be a better chance you can sell it, unlike the starter packs. and the biggest reason why you shouldnt get a crappy starter guitar is that having a bad instrument will be harder to play with and sound worse, making it hard for you to stay commited. the best thing you can do is find a friend who actually knows what they are doing to go with you to a store. one of the good things said in this thread is that the amp determines much more of your tone than the guitar. the actual guitar is important more for how it feels to play it and being stable as far as intonation etc. for a cheap practice amp i would look through some of these. these are modelling amps. they have decent tone and have pretty versatile settings. lets you experiment. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/vox-valvetronix-vt15-15w-1x8-guitar-combo-amp http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/roland-cube-20xl-20w-1x8-guitar-combo-amp/h68601000001000 if you want to spend alittle more money, you can get my amp. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fender-super-champ-xd-guitar-combo-amp its pretty cheap, and has the whole digital modeling thing for flexibility. but when you want tone, you can switch to the clean channel, which is VERY pure and VERY responsive. this is because part of this amp actually has real tubes in it as opposed to being full on digital. in addition, it does a REALLY good job of modeling spring reverb. other options are getting a full tube amp. itll come with less knobs to screw around with but offers you better sound. the drawback being you kinda have to crank them abit to get the best sound out of them. heres a couple to look up epiphone valve jr vox ac4tv lastly for your guitar I HIGHLY recommend checking out www.rondomusic.com they make some les paul copies(the Agiles) that are made in korea and rival guitars with 2-4x their price. the quality control is very good. some of teh other guitars they sell(SX, douglas) arent quite as good, but are still better than the cheapos that fender and gibson put out. they might just take abit of work to get to a sweet spot. you can ask some questions at a forum they have set up called agileguitarforum.com | ||
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Vista
United States100 Posts
The only advice I have is don't buy a starter pack, and buy a guitar that stays in tune lol | ||
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