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koth is obvious king of the hill cw is clan war (usually the start of my friday night)
Give us the links to the games where you're getting cheesed and I at least will watch them and look for what could have helped.
l(Whats up with all the engineering bay blocks.)
>>15 hatch on XNC. You KNOW he's going to bunker rush.
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On August 28 2011 10:08 avilo wrote: Just wait till you get to grandmasters...
Says the most boring player to play against ever.
On a serious note, there's always more little things you can do, especially at diamond like control towers, better OL positioning etc. Run your lings around the map actively.
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On August 28 2011 10:12 Probe1 wrote: cw is clan war (usually the start of my friday night)
Give us the links to the games where you're getting cheesed and I at least will watch them and look for what could have helped.
l(Whats up with all the engineering bay blocks.)
>>15 hatch on XNC. You KNOW he's going to bunker rush. Already posted the link, but here it is again.
As for clan war, I'm not in a clan, and every time I get try to find a practice partner, they play like 3 games, then never log on again. rofl. No clan, also. Dunno anything about cw, really. And koth's always empty.
I have no idea what's up with all the eng bay blocks, but like EVERY Game tonight is eng bay blocks, pylon blocks, cannon rushes...I'd kill for a standard bunker rush - I know how to deal with that.
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Dude I have no idea which games you were cheesed in. Post the individual replay link -_- I entered a clan recruitment tournament cos I disliked playing three games with practice partners. And koths are never empty for dia+
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Loss - opponent on Shakuras went 7-pool and dropped a spine on my creep while I was microing my drones to kill his lings.
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On August 28 2011 10:24 Probe1 wrote:Dude I have no idea which games you were cheesed in. Post the individual replay link -_- I entered a clan recruitment tournament cos I disliked playing three games with practice partners. And koths are never empty for dia+ Pretty much all of them. I think Artful dodger didn't JuiceLayerII didn't.
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On August 28 2011 10:24 Probe1 wrote:And koths are never empty for dia+ What do you mean? If I hit 'join' on the koth map - no one's in there. Ever.
If I join the koth or icjug channel - it's empty most of the time.
That's what I mean.
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On August 28 2011 10:14 Vlare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 10:08 avilo wrote: Just wait till you get to grandmasters... Says the most boring player to play against ever. On a serious note, there's always more little things you can do, especially at diamond like control towers, better OL positioning etc. Run your lings around the map actively.
Nice random hate...
My point was that if you think there's "cheese" at just diamond level, wait till you hit grandmasters. It's just about the same if not worse for people doing all-ins on ladder.
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On August 28 2011 10:59 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 10:14 Vlare wrote:On August 28 2011 10:08 avilo wrote: Just wait till you get to grandmasters... Says the most boring player to play against ever. On a serious note, there's always more little things you can do, especially at diamond like control towers, better OL positioning etc. Run your lings around the map actively. Nice random hate... My point was that if you think there's "cheese" at just diamond level, wait till you hit grandmasters. It's just about the same if not worse for people doing all-ins on ladder.
It's not random hate. I think you're a very good player. Just every time I see you play you do this brutally boring mech style that is simply un-enjoyably
And yes, GM cheese/higher level cheese is probably much worse than diamond cheese.
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lol what do you mean 'probably'. anyway i'm going to have a look at a few of the replays.
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On August 28 2011 11:21 Probe1 wrote: lol what do you mean 'probably'. anyway i'm going to have a look at a few of the replays.
Well, I haven't been in diamond since diamond was the highest league. So I am in no position to claim what's going on there. And I don't get cheesed THAT much on ladder, so I say probably because I am not 100% certain. What I am certain of is that the high level cheese is much stronger and more refined for sure.
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Definitely agree ^_^ Especially the refined part. Gold cheese is just happenstance meh. Combatex cheese has a planned transition LOL
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LiquidTyler in the MLG is pulling a mass phoenix vs Zerg right now, as I speak.
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Replay 1: + Show Spoiler +Yes blocking your natural with an eng bay is annoying. I thought you were referring to walling off the bottom of your ramp with a eng/bunker. That's much more annoying to me.
I just ignore it and expand at the gold or closest mineral line if there isn't one. Terran already put themselves behind wasting resources on the bay so you can pretty much take the gold and afford to drone AND make an army to defend it.
You dropped a baneling nest and roach warren at the same time :S I'd only do that if I were completely uncertain of what Terran was doing and was scared of an all in. Considering your expo was delayed- it put you really behind to get both techs at the same time. Send overlords close to his base so you can scout it. A line of OLs would have also helped you spot the drop and prevent it from doing damage. Remember- lings underneath medivacs Queen right clicked on medivacs. Killing the marines faster is okay but killing the medivac is the best.
Anyway, you had no spire and no way to catch up, gg. Fun fact: I get my baneling nest when my lair is 1/8th complete.
Replay 2:+ Show Spoiler + I see a probe. I put a drone on a probe. Every time. Always. No exceptions. If I don't I deserve to lose. That's the end of the story. If you scout forge first, patrol another drone at the bottom of your ramp. If you're forced to expand at 7 minutes you need to double expand or all in. Then expand again at 12 minutes. Hydras and spore crawlers were the correct choice. Corruptors suck shit against micro'd phoenixes, even if its a gold player. Also scout way way way more often. Send a ling to die to try and see his composition all the time. Sac overlords. Changelings, whatever you can do to know whats going on. Or else, surprise 12 phoenixes. Roach Hydra is also pretty good at breaking a cannon wall. Too bad they're not good against anything else. Here's a replay with a few general ideas on how to respond to being caught unaware by forge fe when you've opened pool first. http://bit.ly/rt2JEi
Replay 3: + Show Spoiler +See a worker attack a worker. No exceptions for scvs or drones. The minute someone builds some shit in your house then pull 4 drones to kill it (pylon/cannon) or 2 to kill the scv and 1 to patrol close by to see if reinforcements are coming . Replay 4: + Show Spoiler +... It was the worst 10 pool I've ever seen, it was only one spine crawler and you could see the drone just sitting there. You should always attack a drone near your creep anyway. For exactly that reason. You could have held it off if you hadn't laid down in the snow and died though. Next time: 1. Don't make two spines. Make zerglings. 2. Don't let your morphing spines die. You lost 150 minerals (the drone cost added in) twice which means his early aggression gambit already broke even if you held it off perfectly. 3. You got the surround on the lings which was good but then you just sat there. Not good. Every second counts. Did you notice my apm in the replay? It's like 80 but I don't have the same problems you do. I focus on what I need to do (as much as I can for a casual player ). I let myself be angry or frustrated after I lose. Which usually involves lighting a cigarette, slamming my fist into my desk or angrily watching the replay. I'm not perfect but I try my best during the game.
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Tyler was one of the Protoss that popularized it. It fell out of popularity around the time MorroW was showing exactly how dumb it is. Just mass drone/ling/spore and right click your overlords on top of your hatcheries.
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On August 28 2011 11:52 Reithan wrote: LiquidTyler in the MLG is pulling a mass phoenix vs Zerg right now, as I speak.
yeah, and we all see how that turned out. lolsup
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haypro is sc2 bonjwa + Show Spoiler +
No seriously, if Tyler can't make it work then some random gold player shouldn't either. Learn from Haypro.
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That was actually very informative.
Speaking of which, I know a couple of you offered to practice a bit - I'm in game still now, if you're up for any of that
Xanthus.730
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Next time try a bit of analysis of a replay, post it in strategy with a [H] header and you'll get people better than me doing the same thing ^_^ gl hf
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