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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#1
My highest rank ever was D+ playing mostly PvT and TvP and avoiding zergs like the plague but I'm thinking about starting to ladder again and making protoss my main race. How hard is ICCUP compared to what it was before? I've heard that since SC2 that the general skill level has increased since most garbage players migrated to SC2. I was definitely garbage at broodwar because I never had what it took to practice the game seriously, but playing against bots is pretty boring.

My average APM level dropped from about 220ish to about 100-110 ish in games against bots. Is anyone else in a similar situation maybe interested in playing games with me to get up to snuff (by snuff I mean back to a terrible D level) I know I would just get dominated on ICC right now and I don't remember much about specific builds other than like a 1 gate goon FE or 2 base reaver or the TvP flash build and I remember the ayumi build for TvZ as well.

I can't run SC2 on my computer so migrating isn't really an option. I've been watching some BW games recently and I'm interested. Is it worth the bother?

**
RIP Aaliyah
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
August 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#2
If you want it,go for it lol.
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
PUPATREE
Profile Joined August 2009
340 Posts
August 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#3
Of course it's worth it!

imo iccup level's about the same as it was, at least til c, where it starts becomes easier than it used to be

less populated though TT

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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
August 27 2011 22:01 GMT
#4
On August 28 2011 06:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My highest rank ever was D+ playing mostly PvT and TvP and avoiding zergs like the plague but I'm thinking about starting to ladder again and making protoss my main race. How hard is ICCUP compared to what it was before? I've heard that since SC2 that the general skill level has increased since most garbage players migrated to SC2. I was definitely garbage at broodwar because I never had what it took to practice the game seriously, but playing against bots is pretty boring.

My average APM level dropped from about 220ish to about 100-110 ish in games against bots. Is anyone else in a similar situation maybe interested in playing games with me to get up to snuff (by snuff I mean back to a terrible D level) I know I would just get dominated on ICC right now and I don't remember much about specific builds other than like a 1 gate goon FE or 2 base reaver or the TvP flash build and I remember the ayumi build for TvZ as well.

I can't run SC2 on my computer so migrating isn't really an option. I've been watching some BW games recently and I'm interested. Is it worth the bother?


i've been wanting to play more as of late, but my time on is very sporadic at best. You can add me on ICCUP sMi.tonight and if I'm on I'll most likely play with you.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 27 2011 22:01 GMT
#5
I'll play with you
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#6
im gonna try to play a PvT i'll tell you all how bad i got demolished in a minute
RIP Aaliyah
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
August 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#7
DUDE YOU SHOUDL TOTALLY DO THAT

Lol hit me up on Iccup, my id: ReZuya
only practice PvP, can't deal with zergs and terrans lol but I'm really good PvP, c- (lol)
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 22:03:17
August 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#8
I'm not sure iccup got harder. I've been playing BW again after a long time of sc2 and I'm doing much better than I ever have (still awful but I'm getting closer to D+ than I did before ). Maybe thousands of games of sc2 helped my mechanics or the race switch helped, idk.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "worth the bother" though. If you have fun, you can keep playing and if you dont, you can stop. =)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 27 2011 22:03 GMT
#9
On August 28 2011 07:02 KTF_CloaK wrote:
DUDE YOU SHOUDL TOTALLY DO THAT

Lol hit me up on Iccup, my id: ReZuya
only practice PvP, can't deal with zergs and terrans lol but I'm really good PvP, c- (lol)

ok ill be fuckin garbage below D- level but maybe you can point me in the right direction if you're down to look through reps or something idk i just need something to fill my time with since i quit LoL
RIP Aaliyah
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#10
I'll play TvP vs you (my worst race is T)
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 27 2011 22:08 GMT
#11
ok i registered on iccup as vomit.insect im gonna try to play the noobiest looking pub first
RIP Aaliyah
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 27 2011 22:20 GMT
#12
Well, your computer may not be able to play SC2 but it sure as hell has the ability to scare me shitless

-_-;;

You're the reason I barely got any sleep all summer. God fucking damnit.

Glgl on ICCUP though, i've been wanting to get into it myself (i'm fairly new to BW = i'm complete and utter shit) just because my computer atm has some issues so SC2 is a lil' bit too heavy weight, and BW is like a paper plane compared to SC2, which is a jumbo jet.

Unfortunately, when I went to ICCUp's website I saw I had to download and stuff? Wut? Technology???? i'm out.

memes are a dish best served dank
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 27 2011 22:23 GMT
#13
On August 28 2011 07:20 marttorn wrote:
Well, your computer may not be able to play SC2 but it sure as hell has the ability to scare me shitless

-_-;;

You're the reason I barely got any sleep all summer. God fucking damnit.

Glgl on ICCUP though, i've been wanting to get into it myself (i'm fairly new to BW = i'm complete and utter shit) just because my computer atm has some issues so SC2 is a lil' bit too heavy weight, and BW is like a paper plane compared to SC2, which is a jumbo jet.

Unfortunately, when I went to ICCUp's website I saw I had to download and stuff? Wut? Technology???? i'm out.


Don't worry about it, you can play BW on a slab of slate.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 27 2011 22:30 GMT
#14
I'll play with you!

I need to improve in BW. I am sooooo bad, probably worse than D-
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1717 Posts
August 27 2011 22:40 GMT
#15
Play. It's where the gosus+people with self-respect are.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 27 2011 22:53 GMT
#16
Play! It's soooo fun!

And Tonight. OMG, I want to play with you some time.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
August 27 2011 22:58 GMT
#17
You should get back into BW, I find it more entertaining than SC2, but that's just my personal opinion.
I could be your TvP practice partner (I play P). =P
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 23:05:31
August 27 2011 23:05 GMT
#18
Ya can always add me bITt.mAN on iCCup and if you ever /m me I'll be happy to play (D+ ish T, used to be C-).

Nonetheless I've started feeling that specifically practicing ladder isn't the best use of my time: it's gotten kinda boring and lost it's appeal. So if you're ever interested in trying out different, older games (so ones I grew up playing) you can always Download and Play for free

WarCraft II:

Click the Banner to DL, so much fun though the people can be kinda dick.


Populous 3 : Reincarnated:

Google it, the #1 game I played when I grew up, it's an RTS God Game where you lead a tribe + Shaman (who casts all sorts of spells, loads of terrain alteration) on a small globe-shaped planet/map. LOADS of fun and an onging active online community.


Give 'em a try and if you want a sparring partner, again, ya just gotta ask (:
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 27 2011 23:09 GMT
#19
you had 194 apm that last game
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
August 27 2011 23:13 GMT
#20
no one really uses ICC anymore if they actually want to play/ladder

it's mainly fish now
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
August 27 2011 23:18 GMT
#21
Doctor, it would be an honor to have you back playing with us! ^^

If you want to get on fish, you can follow the guide I made under "The Server" in the ISL2 Group Stage thread.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 27 2011 23:36 GMT
#22
On August 28 2011 08:13 Harem wrote:
no one really uses ICC anymore if they actually want to play/ladder

it's mainly fish now

What happened that people ran from ICC to fish?
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 00:19:54
August 28 2011 00:19 GMT
#23
On August 28 2011 08:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 08:13 Harem wrote:
no one really uses ICC anymore if they actually want to play/ladder

it's mainly fish now

What happened that people ran from ICC to fish?

One reason is that fish has like 40k+ user online during korean hot hours, and iccup has what? 600-800? This makes finding games way easier.
Another reason is that nobody can take the current iccup head administation's kindergarten attitude seriously.
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 28 2011 00:40 GMT
#24
Keep on playing bro. The game is still great, so just keep on it.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 28 2011 00:46 GMT
#25
On August 28 2011 07:20 marttorn wrote:
Well, your computer may not be able to play SC2 but it sure as hell has the ability to scare me shitless


lmao

Gogo, BW is always fun until someone triple proxy gates you.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:15:39
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#26
I might start playing myself (more because of dislike of sc2 than anything)...
Wanna play a few games some time?
I play terran, but offracing zerg is kinda fun ^^


EDIT:
OH, also,
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 28 2011 03:45 GMT
#27
On August 28 2011 06:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My highest rank ever was D+ playing mostly PvT and TvP and avoiding zergs like the plague but I'm thinking about starting to ladder again and making protoss my main race. How hard is ICCUP compared to what it was before? I've heard that since SC2 that the general skill level has increased since most garbage players migrated to SC2. I was definitely garbage at broodwar because I never had what it took to practice the game seriously, but playing against bots is pretty boring.

My average APM level dropped from about 220ish to about 100-110 ish in games against bots. Is anyone else in a similar situation maybe interested in playing games with me to get up to snuff (by snuff I mean back to a terrible D level) I know I would just get dominated on ICC right now and I don't remember much about specific builds other than like a 1 gate goon FE or 2 base reaver or the TvP flash build and I remember the ayumi build for TvZ as well.

I can't run SC2 on my computer so migrating isn't really an option. I've been watching some BW games recently and I'm interested. Is it worth the bother?


Less talk about it; just f***ing do it.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:07:36
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#28
to answer your question, iccup is probably easier now since there almost no koreans left on the server. I played to C+ and I only had to play 3 koreans on my way to that ;\ made it cake walk compared to a year ago.

ah that was a pretty weak 1k post by me XD
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
August 28 2011 04:12 GMT
#29
On August 28 2011 12:46 cujo2k wrote:
to answer your question, iccup is probably easier now since there almost no koreans left on the server. I played to C+ and I only had to play 3 koreans on my way to that ;\ made it cake walk compared to a year ago.

ah that was a pretty weak 1k post by me XD

Depends when you play too. I played pretty late at night like 2-3 am and played a lot of koreans actually. And some of them were good like former b's from other seasons.
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