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On August 17 2011 09:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't. TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG. I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG: Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies.
Yeah, I can see that. When I first read the quotes unattributed and out of context, they read as though the 3 players were incredibly angry that this had happened and were being used to support that point of view. Instead, it seems like they were just responding to people asking if they were going to join EG.
I think Ret's tweet will balance that whole vibe out: "in all seriousness @lorangerchris has been a great teammate and friend. Best of luck to him and @EvilGeniuses in the future." -Source
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On August 17 2011 09:17 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't. TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG. I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG: On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies. Yeah, I can see that. When I first read the quotes unattributed and out of context, they read as though the 3 players were incredibly angry that this had happened and were being used to support that point of view. Instead, it seems like they were just responding to people asking if they were going to join EG. I think Ret's tweet will balance that whole vibe out: "in all seriousness @lorangerchris has been a great teammate and friend. Best of luck to him and @EvilGeniuses in the future." - Source
Yup, TLO's tweet too: "I wish people would focus more on the incredible farewell and kindness @LorangerChris showed us... dont be angry at him, love him  "
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On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
The images of TLO and Jinro's quotes were posted so many times I figured everybody who's been following the whole thing saw them at least at some point. Here's Tyler's:
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I agree with Destiny.
I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=1269#25382
Now to put things in perspective, I don't think anyone believes that TLO would really kill himself before joining EG or that there's some profound hatred on a personal level at all. It's just a way to make a statement.
The fact that all 3 of them would say it, and the fact that even Nazgul said he was bitter about it and HuK implied Heosat was very upset with it implies that the relations here aren't really as simple as choosing a team that offered a better contract.
Overall, the whole TL vs EG thing isn't a team rivalry as much as a direct conflict of philosophies and principles. TL and EG represent two very different, almost opposing sides of e-sports.
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On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
so gm, like always
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On August 17 2011 01:56 ForJungSooYeon wrote:
Idra is going to Korea, I wonder what will happen with him and his girlfriend??
Dont worry, shes a groupie, will grab herself another pro ASAP
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do you understand that huk got an offer that was so large i dont think anyone would turn it down. HuK knows that he grew up with teamliquid and he will always remember that. but the truth is the reason pro gamers are pro gamers. are because they need to support themselves. and the reason that they play and try to get better. is because deals like this. Huk made an exellent choice. because of the life changeing offer eg gave him. i am for ever a huk fan. And guess what huk, "hahah i just played this guy on na battle.net called ergbob... after saying he loves me he goes "i dont deserve to play u" and leaves TT <3" its me ergROB i played you on ladder and i am a forever huk fan! everytime i see u in a tourny im rooting for you to win it man TT 
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