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On August 17 2011 03:09 aclockworkballer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever. Liquid bought HuK from Millennium. It happens. Being a fan of a player is much better than being a fan of a business (team).
TL's team is more than just a business.
And HuK going from TL to another team isn't really what people are upset about.
Do you think anybody would be upset if he left for oGs or SlayerS or even FXO? Most of us would be happy for him, I know I would be wishing him all the best for one.
Don't you think there's a reason that guys that are generally super nice and mannered in basically every single situation say things like:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"I would sooner quit SC than join EG" (Jinro)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler)
I would be happy for HuK if he accepted any offer in the world (even to join a Dota 2 team  ), but not this one.
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EG is the Real Madrid of Esports while TL is the Manchester United of Esports.
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We can only hope that Hero will take his place... still... why HuK? :/
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Many people underestimate the significance of this offer for HuK. If Nazgul says it's "life changing" this means that HuK has the chance to actually not only make a decent living off gaming for another year, but long-term instead, be it by earnings or savings. The added prestige and media presence may even help getting him a job after his career as a gamer is over.
99% of all users in this forum, if not 100%, would take the same opportunity if something similar would appear in their lives. Don't kid yourself. Just think about what this means for Chris, and think in longer terms than just a few months.
For EG, it probably has already paid off. So much media exposure from the hype alone makes the sponsors happy and thus EG as well. The returns HuK may net through tournament appearances, wins and spearheading the korean training house are huge and a brilliant publicity stunt from the team.
It's ok to be upset if you're a fan ... for like 15 minutes. Then reflect what this means for HuK, EG and how you would react in the same position.
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On August 17 2011 02:06 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:Someone told me they offered HuK 60k salary Could be true, could be false. 
Canadian dollars I hope for HuKs sake.
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Meh. Kinda hate how EG always goes for established player but I understand the decision.
But at the same time, it's kinda cold towards the Machine, Axslav and Co. Isn't it like giving up on them and the progaming house since they are sending their best players to Korea.
Also why is there no farewell message from Ret and Tyler? I thought tyler was really close to HuK ( ok that's probably why)
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On August 17 2011 03:59 Shockk wrote:
It's ok to be upset if you're a fan ... for like 15 minutes. Then reflect what this means for HuK, EG and how you would react in the same position.
If you are a fan of TL, then it's okay to feel upset about the deal even after 15 minutes; it's natural. I'm happy for HuK to get an opportunity like this. It's like if Jordan had left the Bulls and you expect the fans of the team to be content with it like nothing happened. You can still be upset and understanding at the same time. Being upset in situations like this just means you realize how much HuK meant to a lot of people and what an asset he is to a team.
To me, I'm happy for HuK to get this opportunity but sad at same time as TL is my favorite team. This also is an end of a great rivalry that is HuK and IdrA. I also dislike the EG organization even before they picked up sc2 players, back in 1.6 times, so I'll just semi-root for HuK. Another positive from this is that IdrA is going to Korea, which I'm pretty excited about.
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On August 17 2011 01:58 CharlieBrownsc wrote:
This is such a good financial move for EG because of things like this
Think about it, probably 95% of posts in that past 2 hours have been about team EG, that's pretty good publicity
Yea, good publicity, sure. How will this make 10k, 50k or 100k for them? That's what I was asking in OP.
On August 17 2011 02:00 HuK wrote:
happy bday
:/
On August 17 2011 02:04 Gutrot wrote:
I am taking this opportunity to be happy for Huk. Congrats on the big new contract, and I hope you do well in EG!
I will still be a fan of Liquid. I will still be a fan of Huk. Hopefully this dissapointment will lead into bigger better things for SC2 and ESports in general. Huk fighting!
You are right, that's probably the right attitude. However, I'm more fan of TL than anything and I'm sure I wouldn't be so big of a fan of HuK if he hadn't joined liquid.
On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it.
we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners).
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On August 17 2011 05:13 ondik wrote:[ Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it. we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners).
We do?
How is it?
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On August 17 2011 05:15 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:13 ondik wrote:[ On August 17 2011 02:12 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG could offer an english speaking training house, that might be a large part of it. we both know how it is with english speaking training houses (=run by foreigners). We do? How is it?
It's not very effective.
On August 17 2011 01:59 Jinsho wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:48 ondik wrote:I'm just sad at the moment. No offense to Sheth and HerO, but somehow I feel liquid team isn't what it used to be anymore  All this really means is that you were not following anyone except HuK. You have no real interest in TL, for you it was just the team HuK was playing for.
Rofl, a guy who's here for 5 months will tell me how small or big is my interest in TL. Don't you think that if it was the way you suggest, I wouldn't care at all about HuK changing a team?!
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TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
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On August 17 2011 06:37 Destro wrote:
TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
how can you even say such thing? Who sent him to Korea? Who was supporting him when everyone thought he wasn't even good for code A? The skill progress he made was only possible because he stayed in korean prohouse.
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On August 17 2011 06:37 Destro wrote:
TL didnt make huk. huk made huk. I don't think thats a valid argument, in the scheme of things he wasn't on TL for very long..
In the scheme of things, he was on TL for one year, and SC2 has been out for one year, so he's been pretty much on TL for the entirety of sc2's esport lifespan so far.
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On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler)
I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post.
It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident (here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG.
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Three quotes from players on the same team. Not even sourced. Yep, no bias there at all.
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On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG.
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[Edit]: I'm glad you appreciate the manner-ness of TL as we all do, but I don't see why such statements are "out of character." Especially Tyler's - I'm glad he's friends with Inc, but as tons of people have said, not liking a team is much different from not liking the individual members of that team. It's more beef with their management and whatnot. But given the fact that it is a sad issue for them, and the whole environment of TL as a family, it's understandable for TL members to have such thoughts.
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On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler +
That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened?
In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
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teams have rivalries, but youll note most of the players are friends or friendly.
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On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:09 aclockworkballer wrote:On August 17 2011 02:05 Saechiis wrote:
I wonder when EG's going to stop buying other teams' best players and start cultivating their own talent.Their best three players are all bought from other teams whilst their "core" has been mediocre forever. Liquid bought HuK from Millennium. It happens. Being a fan of a player is much better than being a fan of a business (team). TL's team is more than just a business. And HuK going from TL to another team isn't really what people are upset about. Do you think anybody would be upset if he left for oGs or SlayerS or even FXO? Most of us would be happy for him, I know I would be wishing him all the best for one. Don't you think there's a reason that guys that are generally super nice and mannered in basically every single situation say things like: "I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO) "I would sooner quit SC than join EG" (Jinro) "They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I would be happy for HuK if he accepted any offer in the world (even to join a Dota 2 team ), but not this one.
Wow, you're right.
It didn't occur to me that I would be fine if HuK left for almost any other team. But it just had to be EG. Meh.
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On August 17 2011 08:59 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 17 2011 08:41 urashimakt wrote:On August 17 2011 03:22 Talin wrote:
"I would sooner cut my throat than join EG" (TLO)
"They are a joke team and I would never get involved with them" (Tyler) I'm sorry, but when have either of them ever said those kinds of things? Those quotes seem way out of character, especially given Tyler's relationship with iNcontroL. Even googling for such quotes only pops one result: your post. It's fine to dislike EG and HuK's move to EG, but don't attribute such weird and inappropriate quotes to such manner players. The closest thing I could scavenge is TLO saying that EG lived up to the "Evil" part of their name in the whole puma/milkis attack incident ( here). That's still a far cry from saying he'd rather commit suicide than join EG. + Show Spoiler + That covers the TLO one, thanks for the source. Do you know where Tyler's is, if it actually happened? In response to your edit, it's not often that you hear TLO saying he'd kill himself. In fact, I think that was the first time anyone on TL has seen it. I'd call that the very definition of "out of character", which makes it hard to believe without a source. I didn't mean to upset anyone by calling "liar", so I didn't.
TLO's statement is hyperbole, the point is not about killing himself, the point is that he feels very strongly that he'd never join EG.
I don't know where the attributed Tyler statement comes from - maybe sotg? But he definitely seems inclined to feel that way towards EG:
On July 23 2011 00:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:30 TheStonerer wrote:
I doubt they have been apologetic like Tyler said, since Garfield clearly said in Weapon of Choice that if he could do it differently he said no, he wouldn't.
On the point of having a player in his team being recruiting by another organization, that point was addressed as well in Weapon of Choice.
I have one question Tyler, did you listen/watch the episode? Just want to know if i should point you to it for answers on some points of your post. Yes of course I listened to it, but I also have listened to what AG and EG have said in public countless other times, and there have been countless lies and deceptions and mistruths. Perhaps I didn't point out how many points we have to distrust AG on in order to accept my read on the situations but that's a really tiresome process and people are just going to be split on siding with AG/EG if they're ignorant of their history of lies or siding with me if they trust me and/or aren't ignorant of their history of lies.
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