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On August 17 2011 06:44 Primadog wrote:
One point that seemly everyone overlooked is the very distressing fact that another team outbid TeamLiquid (especially when Huk is willing to accept a lower offer). There's no logical reason why TL should be financially weaker than ANY starcraft pro team.
I hope TeamLiquid start chasing sponsors and take their business side more seriously, or this kind of event will reoccur.
I do agree with you on that one. TeamLiquid has such a great potential with all of the fans and people who lurk/visit the site! That way, something like this can be prevented from happening again!
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EG is such a good team.
They have Puma IdrA and HuK, all bought at pristine condition.
Have any of their players like Machine improved?
That's what makes me sad to see HuK leave Liquid' and join EG.
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On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely.
The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
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On August 17 2011 06:44 Primadog wrote:
One point that seemly everyone overlooked is the very distressing fact that another team outbid TeamLiquid (especially when Huk is willing to accept a lower offer). There's no logical reason why TL should be financially weaker than ANY other starcraft pro team.
I hope TeamLiquid start chasing sponsors and take their business side more seriously, or this kind of event will reoccur.
I found myself wondering about that too. Liquid is probably the most beloved team in SC2, and has consistently shown great management. I would think sponsors would be falling over themselves to get behind them.
I have couple theories about why that might not be the case. One is that sponsors may actually be wary of getting involved with them precisely because of their wide reach - will the sponsor be held accountable for what some deranged fan might write on TL forums? The flip side to this is that sponsors also have demands - and it could be harder for TL to accept them than it would be for other teams, because they do more.
Another possibility is that while TL has a proven history in some areas, like running tournaments, they are still pretty new at managing a real team, especially compared to an organization like EG. This could make them appear to be a bigger risk.
I think another part of the reason may be that TL seems to move slowly. I think on the whole this is a good thing. They have evolved a tremendous amount over the past year, while still keeping much of what made them great in the first place.
Another possibility is of course that we are just underestimating the difficulty of getting and keeping sponsorships.
EDITED to add: I thought about this when the NASL started too - if I had 500k to invest in a new starcraft league, TL would be the first people I would ask. I wondered at the time if they were asked and ended up declining.
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On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely.
The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
You are aware that there are other (arguably better) companies like AMD and Gigabyte and Razer that provide components and periferia?
Also Monster's not that popular outside USA, inwin and 6pool gaming is virtually non existent and I really don't know what bigfoot networks is.
I understand that those sponsors are huge, but I also think them pumping money into a single brand that can just buy players like this (the whole life changing offer) is really not that good for the current Starcraft 2 scene (not that It's that big of a deal since all the really good team are still Korean).
Monopoly is never good, and I think it would be better if some of those sponsors went to the teams like Liquid that build players in stead of buying them.
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On August 17 2011 09:15 Jankisa wrote:
You are aware that there are other (arguably better) companies like AMD and Gigabyte and Razer that provide components and periferia?
Also Monster's not that popular outside USA, inwin and 6pool gaming is virtually non existent and I really don't know what bigfoot networks is.
I understand that those sponsors are huge, but I also think them pumping money into a single brand that can just buy players like this (the whole life changing offer) is really not that good for the current Starcraft 2 scene (not that It's that big of a deal since all the really good team are still Korean).
Monopoly is never good, and I think it would be better if some of those sponsors went to the teams like Liquid that build players in stead of buying them.
It terms of performance there is no argument that Intel is currently smashing AMD. Yes you pay for Intels logo but if you want the best you gotta have the money to.
The person I quoted does not show his country so my general assumption is he's from USA.
Razer peripherals are argubly not good at all except a few mice, most of the keyboards, headsets, and other mice are very lackluster compared to other brands.
Monopoly never good? Time to go back to business school  Microsoft, although not what it used to be held monopoly over everything software and internet related and look at the success they had. Even now they virtually control what most buisness companies use for internet browsing (That shitty IE6).
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On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote:
Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different?
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No they wouldn't because the same people that are sad HuK is on Idra's team are the same people that would be surprised and upset if Idra cam to Liquid. Because Liquid is about Integrity and more than just money. EG is great, but they have a polarizing brand - 'evil' - tacky logo, cliche black t-shirt with loud graphics, players with attitudes, etc. Many people are turned off by that.
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On August 17 2011 09:30 Phtes wrote:It terms of performance there is no argument that Intel is currently smashing AMD. Yes you pay for Intels logo but if you want the best you gotta have the money to. The person I quoted does not show his country so my general assumption is he's from USA. Razer peripherals are argubly not good at all except a few mice, most of the keyboards, headsets, and other mice are very lackluster compared to other brands. Monopoly never good? Time to go back to business school Microsoft, although not what it used to be held monopoly over everything software and internet related and look at the success they had. Even now they virtually control what most buisness companies use for internet browsing (That shitty IE6).
First 2 are your opinion, and you have right to have one (I use AMD at the moment, but I'm well aware that I5 and I7 are kicking ass right now, so you are right there).
Microsoft held it because there was no other way to go, and that was caused by the only viable HW company at the time endorsing that OS, and since the explosion of that industry happened to fast there was no time to adjust it. If things went differently computer tech (at least software would be 5 years ahead of now.
So no, monopoly is not good, competition is. When one team can just whip huge amounts of cash around that's simply not good for the scene or the players, because at one point clan wars/team leagues and team rivalry won't make sense because there won't be enough viable teams,
If you are not on one of a very few huge teams you won't be able to fly to tournaments, and that leads to stale and sucky competition.
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So no, monopoly is not good, competition is. When one team can just whip huge amounts of cash around that's simply not good for the scene or the players, because at one point clan wars/team leagues and team rivalry won't make sense because there won't be enough viable teams,
If you are not on one of a very few huge teams you won't be able to fly to tournaments, and that leads to stale and sucky competition.
Definitely. Competition produces great quality. But seriously, someone needs to make a stand against EG. Sure, FXO bought fOu, but the team itself was still built from ground up. I just hope other teams won't lose players who are willing to take less money to play for their team, and still get offered a lucrative sum.
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On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely. The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
I do have an intel processor and various other intel components in my computer, but they were allbought years ago. Besides Intel sponsors many other things i like so that does not really bother me. I have drank one or two monster in my days, but i never will again, partly because it tastes like shit. Also i bought brand new razer gear (mouse/keyboard/headset) the day they sponsored liquid, but also because i needed new stuff.
The amount of viewers means nothing if the majority just gets pissed off. It might please the sponsors for the moment, but if it does not yield any results in the long term its just another bubble about top burst. I actively try to support companies who sponsor stuff i really like.
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Honestly, it feels like for the liquid fans there really was no "good" way to handle this news, while the EG fans probably the whole situation as the highlight of their week.
It could have been much worse though:
ESPN (ESportsProgamerNetwork?) could have hosted an hour long interview with Huk called "THE DECISION", in which he divulged his plans for where to go at the end of his contract. All us soon-to-be-embittered cleveland... i mean liquid fans would expect him to stay, but then he would say:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P3BBJ.jpg)
"I''ve decided to take my talents to EG."
(p.s. Good luck, EGHuk! We wish you well!)
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On August 17 2011 15:20 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely. The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG). I do have an intel processor and various other intel components in my computer, but they were allbought years ago. Besides Intel sponsors many other things i like so that does not really bother me. I have drank one or two monster in my days, but i never will again, partly because it tastes like shit. Also i bought brand new razer gear (mouse/keyboard/headset) the day they sponsored liquid, but also because i needed new stuff. The amount of viewers means nothing if the majority just gets pissed off. It might please the sponsors for the moment, but if it does not yield any results in the long term its just another bubble about top burst. I actively try to support companies who sponsor stuff i really like.
Same. Other than the fact that most comps nowadays have Intel processors regardless, I haven't gone out of my way to support EG. I actually have never used any of their other sponsors' products. I support TL tho just like Rabbitmaster with my Razer gear. Sure, this is great publicity, but it's pretty negative publicity at best. EG is certainly not in most people's "good books".
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