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T.T
All I'm feeling right now. I had the suspecting all along that this was going to piss people off, and I guess Huk signing with EG probably will incite a lot of reactions.
Huk has definitely grown to be an amazing player and I really enjoyed having him on TL, cheering him on. Now that EG offered him an amazing contract, I can't say I can truly blame him. I mean, you gotta make these decisions in life. And EG, well, you got yourself a champion.
But why the hell would you put us through all this man? I mean, come on. Not only are you ripping away a dear part of the TL team and community, you chose to have it as a drawn-out torture. Seriously EG. Signing Huk, that's your business choice. Keeping everyone guessing for 2 days then not announcing something "exciting" (positive connotation), but rather just breaking the hearts of many is not exactly my cup of tea. If you announced this in the featured news, I think people will be "Man that's sad... gl Huk". But now, you have people going "How the hell did I stay up 48 hours for this only to be angry and sad." I can tell you one thing, I'm not the happiest camper alive. Best of luck to Huk and I'm not going to rage on EG, but the way they toyed with me and to not even let me have the satisfaction at the end is just cruel.
EG, don't do this again. You can sign Huk, but don't torture everyone like this.
QQ Huk. I really wished you remain on TL. But best of luck! You'll always be Liquid in my heart! <3
Poll: Did you enjoy the Mystery while you did not know what it was?Yes (43) 52% No (40) 48% 83 total votes Your vote: Did you enjoy the Mystery while you did not know what it was? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Poll: In retrospect, should EG have made this 48-hour countdown?No (84) 83% Yes (17) 17% 101 total votes Your vote: In retrospect, should EG have made this 48-hour countdown? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
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I don't care about Huk, I'm a fan more because of his mothership rushes. I'm more excited about IDRA IN KOREA!
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On August 17 2011 01:13 Bippzy wrote: I don't care about Huk, I'm a fan more because of his mothership rushes. I'm more excited about IDRA IN KOREA! Same here, haha. A team is a team, as long as the player is happy I don't mind. Idra's return to Korea is much more exciting imo, though it'll be interesting to see if Idra will work his ZvP out with Huk. The countdown and cryptic texts were a bit overkill but I think it was fun.
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I don't know why people bought into all the bullshit when Supernova tweeted he was sad that Huk was leaving. I stopped following the thread after seeing that because it was some pretty good confirmation
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op obviously does not know how things function in real life
hype=good for business
sorry bro but money>your feelings
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On August 17 2011 01:18 Jyga wrote: op obviously does not know how things function in real life
hype=good for business
sorry bro but money>your feelings
Not to everyone. I still value feelings over money.
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ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say
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On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say
Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid.
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It was not worth the hype, expected some way bigger stuff. Maybe if they get a lot of korean/BW pros to fill up the house, but Huk, Puma, Idra? Meh-tastic announcement.
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On August 17 2011 01:12 xXFireandIceXx wrote: T.T
All I'm feeling right now. I had the suspecting all along that this was going to piss people off, and I guess Huk signing with EG probably will incite a lot of reactions.
Huk has definitely grown to be an amazing player and I really enjoyed having him on TL, cheering him on. Now that EG offered him an amazing contract, I can't say I can truly blame him. I mean, you gotta make these decisions in life. And EG, well, you got yourself a champion.
But why the hell would you put us through all this man? I mean, come on. Not only are you ripping away a dear part of the TL team and community, you chose to have it as a drawn-out torture. Seriously EG. Signing Huk, that's your business choice. Keeping everyone guessing for 2 days then not announcing something "exciting" (positive connotation), but rather just breaking the hearts of many is not exactly my cup of tea. If you announced this in the featured news, I think people will be "Man that's sad... gl Huk". But now, you have people going "How the hell did I stay up 48 hours for this only to be angry and sad." I can tell you one thing, I'm not the happiest camper alive. Best of luck to Huk and I'm not going to rage on EG, but the way they toyed with me and to not even let me have the satisfaction at the end is just cruel.
EG, don't do this again. You can sign Huk, but don't torture everyone like this.
QQ Huk. I really wished you remain on TL. But best of luck! You'll always be Liquid in my heart! <3
That is a lot of whining. Do you really not see that your opinion is not the only one in the world?
I enjoyed the hype, and I enjoy the announcement a lot.
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I just feel sorry for MC, who will help him practice his English?
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On August 17 2011 01:28 Jinsho wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:12 xXFireandIceXx wrote: T.T
All I'm feeling right now. I had the suspecting all along that this was going to piss people off, and I guess Huk signing with EG probably will incite a lot of reactions.
Huk has definitely grown to be an amazing player and I really enjoyed having him on TL, cheering him on. Now that EG offered him an amazing contract, I can't say I can truly blame him. I mean, you gotta make these decisions in life. And EG, well, you got yourself a champion.
But why the hell would you put us through all this man? I mean, come on. Not only are you ripping away a dear part of the TL team and community, you chose to have it as a drawn-out torture. Seriously EG. Signing Huk, that's your business choice. Keeping everyone guessing for 2 days then not announcing something "exciting" (positive connotation), but rather just breaking the hearts of many is not exactly my cup of tea. If you announced this in the featured news, I think people will be "Man that's sad... gl Huk". But now, you have people going "How the hell did I stay up 48 hours for this only to be angry and sad." I can tell you one thing, I'm not the happiest camper alive. Best of luck to Huk and I'm not going to rage on EG, but the way they toyed with me and to not even let me have the satisfaction at the end is just cruel.
EG, don't do this again. You can sign Huk, but don't torture everyone like this.
QQ Huk. I really wished you remain on TL. But best of luck! You'll always be Liquid in my heart! <3 That is a lot of whining. Do you really not see that your opinion is not the only one in the world? I enjoyed the hype, and I enjoy the announcement a lot.
Wtf? Do you really not see that I loved seeing Huk play as a member of Liquid? How the hell is it whining? I'm just saying EG shouldn't toy with us when the end result is a beloved member of Liquid leaving the team.
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On August 17 2011 01:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid.
because the environment back then and the environment right now are completely the same right
dont know why everyone is so emotional and butthurt over huk going to EG when all everyone cries about all day is how they want to see eSports as a legitimate sport.
isn't having "life-changing" money deals in contracts a step in the right direction for eSports? or do you all want to sit down and hold hands and hope things go back to foreigner-BW level eSports where theres practically no funding,no big deals and nothing interesting at all
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Money Money Money
Must be funny, in EG's world.
Money Money Money
Always sunny, in EG's world.
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am kinda sad. Ive been following HuK for a long time since before he was on team liquid. It hurts to see him leave TL. However I know its what he wants and it will help him become a better player.
Its like my best friend is moving away for a new job, I am upset but I know that it is in their best interest.
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Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching.
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Terrible move by EG, they hype everyone up for two days only to say they bought a player of the team with most fans.
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On August 17 2011 01:35 garlicface wrote: Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching. You mean they made a countdown timer that told you how long you had to wait until your favourite SC2 team's star player leaves the team to chase the bucks, hunkering down with teenage guy who betrayed his mentor, friends and team and premature ejac-GG IdrA?
So exciting yo.
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On August 17 2011 01:40 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:35 garlicface wrote: Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching. You mean they made a countdown timer that told you how long you had to wait until your favourite SC2 team's star player leaves the team to chase the bucks, hunkering down with teenage guy who betrayed his mentor, friends and team and premature ejac-GG IdrA? So exciting yo.
lay off the anime/star wars/korean drama etc
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On August 17 2011 01:31 Jyga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid. because the environment back then and the environment right now are completely the same right dont know why everyone is so emotional and butthurt over huk going to EG when all everyone cries about all day is how they want to see eSports as a legitimate sport. isn't having "life-changing" money deals in contracts a step in the right direction for eSports? or do you all want to sit down and hold hands and hope things go back to foreigner-BW level eSports where theres practically no funding,no big deals and nothing interesting at all
Yah, it's more "legitimitzes" sure. But there's still this sense of "belonging". We're not crying because EG signed a player, it's just one of our favorite players is leaving for a team that's well........controversial at best.
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On August 17 2011 01:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:31 Jyga wrote:On August 17 2011 01:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid. because the environment back then and the environment right now are completely the same right dont know why everyone is so emotional and butthurt over huk going to EG when all everyone cries about all day is how they want to see eSports as a legitimate sport. isn't having "life-changing" money deals in contracts a step in the right direction for eSports? or do you all want to sit down and hold hands and hope things go back to foreigner-BW level eSports where theres practically no funding,no big deals and nothing interesting at all Yah, it's more "legitimitzes" sure. But there's still this sense of "belonging". We're not crying because EG signed a player, it's just one of our favorite players is leaving for a team that's well........controversial at best.
It's his choice, why can you not support him like a true fan?
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On August 17 2011 01:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:31 Jyga wrote:On August 17 2011 01:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid. because the environment back then and the environment right now are completely the same right dont know why everyone is so emotional and butthurt over huk going to EG when all everyone cries about all day is how they want to see eSports as a legitimate sport. isn't having "life-changing" money deals in contracts a step in the right direction for eSports? or do you all want to sit down and hold hands and hope things go back to foreigner-BW level eSports where theres practically no funding,no big deals and nothing interesting at all Yah, it's more "legitimitzes" sure. But there's still this sense of "belonging". We're not crying because EG signed a player, it's just one of our favorite players is leaving for a team that's well........controversial at best. You mean "well-established and driven to succeed" at best.
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Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different?
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On August 17 2011 01:52 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:31 Jyga wrote:On August 17 2011 01:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:21 Jyga wrote: ok gl hf retaining that mentality when you make it past high school
this is exactly what separates EG from liquid. EG is a business that makes money and revolves around making sure they make money/get the best sponsors while liquid functions like an online clan where everyone is "family"...and no one makes money,sorry to say Dude, when Boxer first founded his BW team, the team wasn't being paid. They fought and trained together without giving up or leaving. Sure sounds like a family to me. And to be honest, Liquid offered him a contract. EG obviously had more money. So either way, he would've been paid. because the environment back then and the environment right now are completely the same right dont know why everyone is so emotional and butthurt over huk going to EG when all everyone cries about all day is how they want to see eSports as a legitimate sport. isn't having "life-changing" money deals in contracts a step in the right direction for eSports? or do you all want to sit down and hold hands and hope things go back to foreigner-BW level eSports where theres practically no funding,no big deals and nothing interesting at all Yah, it's more "legitimitzes" sure. But there's still this sense of "belonging". We're not crying because EG signed a player, it's just one of our favorite players is leaving for a team that's well........controversial at best. It's his choice, why can you not support him like a true fan?
Please read the OP. I don't hate Huk and I won't. I will still cheer for him. I simply feel better if he was with Liquid. It is his choice. But sad news being delayed 48 hours isn't all that great of a feeling.
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On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different?
Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG.
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On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix.
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On August 17 2011 01:40 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:35 garlicface wrote: Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching. You mean they made a countdown timer that told you how long you had to wait until your favourite SC2 team's star player leaves the team to chase the bucks, hunkering down with teenage guy who betrayed his mentor, friends and team and premature ejac-GG IdrA? So exciting yo.
Basically this. Sigh.. As long as HuK can remain in Korea, and in GSL code S, it's alright. I'll just picture him in a TL shirt, and not that evil shiz.
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On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix.
And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement.
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Feel the same way. I'm actually furious to get treated like this. It comes very close to decieth in my eyes. Like where the hype for an announcement is not proportional to the actual annoucement. Within minutes people figured out that HuK was going to EG. It was almost not possible for this not to happen especially with an unending stream of information to build upon.
Teamliquid always so good. Nazgul total boss. Every situation gets handled with utmost care and respect. Reading HuK's farewell, it contains everything. You feel with him reading it. TSL 3 with the DC win/loss in BoxeR vs Nightend. They had already sorted it before hand, and while it occured during their broadcast they released their threads and reasoning. Guided people towards it, and put the broadcast itself on hold, just like what wouldve happen if it was a live DC situation. FXO releases a ton of announcements. Real announcements. And whenever something stirs up, he already responded to explain it. Man that seems so hard to keep. Much respect for that.
This is what I feel is proper conduct. The only thing that is missing is for them to work together. For everyone to work together. Work in the same way under the same general principles. I feel a protocol is lacking and is becoming increasingly necesairy while there is growth.
All this hype for something we instantly knew. The whole point goes away, there is no surprise. You say, we are signing H.K. We will tell you who it is in 2 days. Get psyched sheeple. Like because it is no surprise. The 2 days just delays the confirmation. It's like holding it back. I don't think that's a good practice.
Finally, because I'm still mad. There are only two lines spent on IdrA going to Korea and the house there. It probably was one sentence total. No information about it, they have said many months ago they trying to get a house in Korea, never went through with it. What value is this announcement of the house then? And IdrA going back was just a matter of time. Since he got back the only real benefit he had was to develop personally and get back into society if you will. He's been alone a lot, and missing out on many fun things. Now he's better than ever, energized and ready to go back where he belongs. The upper echelon.
No graphics, no nothing is spend on those topics. I just have to vent. I'm still bracing for more news. And I'm still expecting bad news to occur. Is this the end of the announcements, wasn't there a whole chain? The way they handled it was much worse than the actual transaction. I actually feel abused.
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On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement.
Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL"
Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
1) Tyler on eSTRO was how long ago? Check your calender bro. 2) FXO partnering up with fOu is a partnership like TL-oGs. Can't tell how that relates to this situation. 3) If EG announced they were setting up a team house without all this hype, I doubt people are going to be angry. 4) EG did spend a crapload of money to sign Huk. And I mean a lot.
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On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
The difference is that FXO isn't gunning after established talent to shore up their lineup. FXO is literally injecting esports with tons of money. With 3 teams sponsored by FXO, plus the team house, plus tournaments, FXO is powering esports up.
The way i see it, EG has basically 3 players right now, 2 of which they just bought out and 1 that has been doing comparatively shitty recently and has a fairly bad attitude. Practically none of EG have been producing high-end results for a long time. The solution to that is not to work on the players they have, but to buy talent from other teams. The NA house is basically an afterthought at this point. I highly doubt that the rest of EG matters to alex until they start producing big results. My guess is that that is also why Incontrol stopped doing SotG. He wasn't performing, he gets dropped into no-name category.
EG is just a shitty team IMO. No lineup, so they buy new talent. When that doesn't work, buy some more talent.
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I agree it was torturing xD I woke up this morning and I HAD to check what it was lol. Pretty good signing for EG!
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On August 17 2011 02:34 Active.815 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The difference is that FXO isn't gunning after established talent to shore up their lineup. FXO is literally injecting esports with tons of money. With 3 teams sponsored by FXO, plus the team house, plus tournaments, FXO is powering esports up. The way i see it, EG has basically 3 players right now, 2 of which they just bought out and 1 that has been doing comparatively shitty recently and has a fairly bad attitude. Practically none of EG have been producing high-end results for a long time. The solution to that is not to work on the players they have, but to buy talent from other teams. The NA house is basically an afterthought at this point. I highly doubt that the rest of EG matters to alex until they start producing big results. My guess is that that is also why Incontrol stopped doing SotG. He wasn't performing, he gets dropped into no-name category. EG is just a shitty team IMO. No lineup, so they buy new talent. When that doesn't work, buy some more talent.
So what you're saying is you're mad that EG has the business oriented mindset to actually cultivate sponsors, while the overwhelming majority of other teams sit on their ass. Mad that someone is more successful? That's jealousy bro.
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On August 17 2011 02:38 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:34 Active.815 wrote:On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The difference is that FXO isn't gunning after established talent to shore up their lineup. FXO is literally injecting esports with tons of money. With 3 teams sponsored by FXO, plus the team house, plus tournaments, FXO is powering esports up. The way i see it, EG has basically 3 players right now, 2 of which they just bought out and 1 that has been doing comparatively shitty recently and has a fairly bad attitude. Practically none of EG have been producing high-end results for a long time. The solution to that is not to work on the players they have, but to buy talent from other teams. The NA house is basically an afterthought at this point. I highly doubt that the rest of EG matters to alex until they start producing big results. My guess is that that is also why Incontrol stopped doing SotG. He wasn't performing, he gets dropped into no-name category. EG is just a shitty team IMO. No lineup, so they buy new talent. When that doesn't work, buy some more talent. So what you're saying is you're mad that EG has the business oriented mindset to actually cultivate sponsors, while the overwhelming majority of other teams sit on their ass. Mad that someone is more successful? That's jealousy bro.
Because having 2.5 good players and letting the rest of the team stagnate will cultivate sponsors, as opposed to what fxo is doing.
Its not about being more successful. Its about the lack of effort on EG's part to improve the rest of the team. FXO takes their whole team to korea, and qxc manages an all-kill on IM and generally speaking the team improves. EG groups the non-performers in NA, buys 2 new players, and sends the 3 that they want to make money off of to korea to do better. I'd much rather see the "life changing offer" they made HuK put to use giving opportunities for people like Inc/Demuslim/Machine to improve.
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On August 17 2011 02:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. 1) Tyler on eSTRO was how long ago? Check your calender bro. 2) FXO partnering up with fOu is a partnership like TL-oGs. Can't tell how that relates to this situation. 3) If EG announced they were setting up a team house without all this hype, I doubt people are going to be angry. 4) EG did spend a crapload of money to sign Huk. And I mean a lot.
1) Most players were on previous clans teams prior to TL. 2) fou is recognized as FXO now. Doesn't seem like TL-ogs to me. Relates because everyone is screaming about EG just throwing money at stuff. Basically everyone loves to hate EG for no fucking reason. 3) i don't know wtf your talking about 4) Yes they probably did. I don't doubt that. I could careless how much they paid him. This is my point. No one should care. Contracts expire. Players move to other teams. Part of life. "Change" suppose to be good fyi.
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On August 17 2011 02:44 Active.815 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On August 17 2011 02:34 Active.815 wrote:On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The difference is that FXO isn't gunning after established talent to shore up their lineup. FXO is literally injecting esports with tons of money. With 3 teams sponsored by FXO, plus the team house, plus tournaments, FXO is powering esports up. The way i see it, EG has basically 3 players right now, 2 of which they just bought out and 1 that has been doing comparatively shitty recently and has a fairly bad attitude. Practically none of EG have been producing high-end results for a long time. The solution to that is not to work on the players they have, but to buy talent from other teams. The NA house is basically an afterthought at this point. I highly doubt that the rest of EG matters to alex until they start producing big results. My guess is that that is also why Incontrol stopped doing SotG. He wasn't performing, he gets dropped into no-name category. EG is just a shitty team IMO. No lineup, so they buy new talent. When that doesn't work, buy some more talent. So what you're saying is you're mad that EG has the business oriented mindset to actually cultivate sponsors, while the overwhelming majority of other teams sit on their ass. Mad that someone is more successful? That's jealousy bro. Because having 2.5 good players and letting the rest of the team stagnate will cultivate sponsors, as opposed to what fxo is doing. Its not about being more successful. Its about the lack of effort on EG's part to improve the rest of the team. FXO takes their whole team to korea, and qxc manages an all-kill on IM and generally speaking the team improves. EG groups the non-performers in NA, buys 2 new players, and sends the 3 that they want to make money off of to korea to do better. I'd much rather see the "life changing offer" they made HuK put to use giving opportunities for people like Inc/Demuslim/Machine to improve.
No foreign team has some amazing all star line up. Each team has its stars. The EG house in Korea has hardly been announced. How do we know that players like Geoff, Ben and Bryce won't be going at some later point to train? We don't.
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On August 17 2011 02:48 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. 1) Tyler on eSTRO was how long ago? Check your calender bro. 2) FXO partnering up with fOu is a partnership like TL-oGs. Can't tell how that relates to this situation. 3) If EG announced they were setting up a team house without all this hype, I doubt people are going to be angry. 4) EG did spend a crapload of money to sign Huk. And I mean a lot. 1) Most players were on previous clans teams prior to TL. 2) fou is recognized as FXO now. Doesn't seem like TL-ogs to me. Relates because everyone is screaming about EG just throwing money at stuff. Basically everyone loves to hate EG for no fucking reason. 3) i don't know wtf your talking about 4) Yes they probably did. I don't doubt that. I could careless how much they paid him. This is my point. No one should care. Contracts expire. Players move to other teams. Part of life. "Change" suppose to be good fyi.
1) Clan, not team bro. And not a cornerstone of that team. 2) fOu is not FXO. fOu is still fOu. They are just fOu-FXO for foreign tournaments I think. No one bought anyone else. 3) "So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc" I'm just saying setting up a team house vs. a major player signing is not the same. 4) Change should be good. Huk will get more money. But training partners/environment will be a lot worse.
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On August 17 2011 03:02 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:48 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. 1) Tyler on eSTRO was how long ago? Check your calender bro. 2) FXO partnering up with fOu is a partnership like TL-oGs. Can't tell how that relates to this situation. 3) If EG announced they were setting up a team house without all this hype, I doubt people are going to be angry. 4) EG did spend a crapload of money to sign Huk. And I mean a lot. 1) Most players were on previous clans teams prior to TL. 2) fou is recognized as FXO now. Doesn't seem like TL-ogs to me. Relates because everyone is screaming about EG just throwing money at stuff. Basically everyone loves to hate EG for no fucking reason. 3) i don't know wtf your talking about 4) Yes they probably did. I don't doubt that. I could careless how much they paid him. This is my point. No one should care. Contracts expire. Players move to other teams. Part of life. "Change" suppose to be good fyi. 1) Clan, not team bro. And not a cornerstone of that team. 2) fOu is not FXO. fOu is still fOu. They are just fOu-FXO for foreign tournaments I think. No one bought anyone else. 3) "So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc" I'm just saying setting up a team house vs. a major player signing is not the same. 4) Change should be good. Huk will get more money. But training partners/environment will be a lot worse. 2) is incorrect. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/FOu
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On August 17 2011 03:16 Chibithor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:02 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 02:48 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:25 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. 1) Tyler on eSTRO was how long ago? Check your calender bro. 2) FXO partnering up with fOu is a partnership like TL-oGs. Can't tell how that relates to this situation. 3) If EG announced they were setting up a team house without all this hype, I doubt people are going to be angry. 4) EG did spend a crapload of money to sign Huk. And I mean a lot. 1) Most players were on previous clans teams prior to TL. 2) fou is recognized as FXO now. Doesn't seem like TL-ogs to me. Relates because everyone is screaming about EG just throwing money at stuff. Basically everyone loves to hate EG for no fucking reason. 3) i don't know wtf your talking about 4) Yes they probably did. I don't doubt that. I could careless how much they paid him. This is my point. No one should care. Contracts expire. Players move to other teams. Part of life. "Change" suppose to be good fyi. 1) Clan, not team bro. And not a cornerstone of that team. 2) fOu is not FXO. fOu is still fOu. They are just fOu-FXO for foreign tournaments I think. No one bought anyone else. 3) "So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc" I'm just saying setting up a team house vs. a major player signing is not the same. 4) Change should be good. Huk will get more money. But training partners/environment will be a lot worse. 2) is incorrect. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/FOu
Wow, I stand corrected. I thought it was FXO-fOu but guess not. My mistake.
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On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately
They have lots of sponsors, most notably Intel. They sponsor lots of progamers besides sc2 ones and they have been around for awhile.
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On August 17 2011 03:33 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately They have lots of sponsors, most notably Intel. They sponsor lots of progamers besides sc2 ones and they have been around for awhile.
Don't forget that while you hear Kingston HyperX, Kingston overall as a brand isn't exactly small either. Monster Energy, who also do various forms of offroad racing and extreme sports...
Big name sponsors and good business sense. High visibility, tons of content produced, these are the things that matter to sponsors.
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In retrospect this whole publicity stunt I thought was quite stupid. This was clearly a sensitive issue for TL, there was no need to blow out this situation like that and create so much hype.
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On August 17 2011 03:37 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:33 illsick wrote:On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately They have lots of sponsors, most notably Intel. They sponsor lots of progamers besides sc2 ones and they have been around for awhile. Don't forget that while you hear Kingston HyperX, Kingston overall as a brand isn't exactly small either. Monster Energy, who also do various forms of offroad racing and extreme sports... Big name sponsors and good business sense. High visibility, tons of content produced, these are the things that matter to sponsors.
Yah, let's hope TL gets some more sponsors or run more ads. I mean, it's a pretty established community with great traffic flow.
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On August 17 2011 01:40 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:35 garlicface wrote: Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching. You mean they made a countdown timer that told you how long you had to wait until your favourite SC2 team's star player leaves the team to chase the bucks, hunkering down with teenage guy who betrayed his mentor, friends and team and premature ejac-GG IdrA? So exciting yo.
QFT... unfortunetly...
I was kinda excited for the anouncement, but im left with a sort of hollow feeling inside... :S
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On August 17 2011 04:17 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:40 tyCe wrote:On August 17 2011 01:35 garlicface wrote: Not sure how they toyed with us. They put a countdown up on a website, and periodically released some MP3s.
lol. Were they supposed to tell you something before the countdown ended? Without a countdown altogether?
EG made this shit exciting, not depressing or heart-wrenching. You mean they made a countdown timer that told you how long you had to wait until your favourite SC2 team's star player leaves the team to chase the bucks, hunkering down with teenage guy who betrayed his mentor, friends and team and premature ejac-GG IdrA? So exciting yo. QFT... unfortunetly... I was kinda excited for the anouncement, but im left with a sort of hollow feeling inside... :S
I figured it was Huk halfway through. But then I had to wait another 15 hours for the actual truth.
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On August 17 2011 02:23 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On August 17 2011 01:59 Gummy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? Because the site is Teamliquid and not EG. The name of this website has become somewhat of a misnomer at this point. I'm pretty sure most EG fans tune into TL to get their SC2 fix. And TL hardly gets players from other teams. Sheth is the only one whom I know was on another team before, and that was only an announcement. Nony was on eSTRO previously. So funny to see so many fanboys up set right now. FXO has been throwing around money in this scene for awhile, getting fou and running all these tournaments, making a team house etc., yet no mention of them throwing money around. EG signs a high profile player and now it's "OMFG EG JUST THROWING MONEY AT EVERYYYYTHING ARWRSDFLLL" Seems like everyone is just out to troll EG for doing whats best for EG. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I was on Liquid while I was at eSTRO. In SC:BW, there were teams and clans. Teams were sponsored and clans were groups of friends. Most SC:BW progamers have a clan and even use their clan tag when playing. It's a part of their ID. Shield, By, fOu, Sea, Nal, gm, etc. These clans are exclusive to each other, but not exclusive to the pro teams. With the release of SC2, Liquid changed from clan to team. I had left eSTRO long ago and started playing an entirely different game.
No one really developed me as a player except myself. I was already a really good player when I joined Liquid and eSTRO. But that's not to say Liquid picked me up like EG is picking HuK up, or even like how Liquid picked up HuK a year ago. When I joined it for SC:BW, Liquid was inactive as a clan and had never really been a team. I wanted to make Liquid my social home, and have allegiances to a non-Korean clan while I was in Korea, so I was happy to be on Liquid while at eSTRO. I got offered to join the best (imo) and my favorite Korean clan, Shield, but I was like nahhh I'ma represent Liquid. I quit SC:BW and eSTRO, but you don't ever really quit a clan unless you join another one, so I remained Liquid as an inactive member. Then I came back to SC:BW for TSL2, right before SC2 beta came out, and of course I wore a Liquid tag again since I never left it. But that's nothing like sponsored teams like we have now. After TSL2, lots of SC2 teams were forming, and I knew I needed a sponsor to compete in SC2, and Nazgul did an excellent job of elevating Liquid from a mostly inactive clan to one of the best sponsored teams on the scene, so of course I stayed on board.
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how does this change anything for you as a spectator watching huk play? I don't understand. The only league this actually affects from a spectator POV is like the GCPL. As for whether this affects Huk's performance we'll all have to wait and see. Starcraft isn't a team sport, I have no idea why this trade would evoke any feelings from spectators.
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On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately
EG is a very business oriented team they put a lot of effort into cultivating sponsors and promoting their sponsors and getting them a lot of views. While this leads to some discontent with some members in the esports community feeling that they are too ruthless and overly focused on cash it has the upside of giving them the resources needed to aquire players, form team houses, run multiple leagues and so on.
On August 17 2011 03:55 JoeSchmoe wrote: In retrospect this whole publicity stunt I thought was quite stupid. This was clearly a sensitive issue for TL, there was no need to blow out this situation like that and create so much hype.
Sure there was it got them a ton of hype and views which is what they want as it pleases their sponsors. They aren't in this to take care of the sensitivity of TLs fans, they are in it to get themselves tons of brand recognition and views so that they can keep their sponsors happy and acquire new ones.
EG isn't a social club, it's a company.
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I don't think it's just that EG is throwing money around. If anything, FXO has been doing that even more; buying a whole Korean team? They just handle themselves differently. It's not like I'll boycott anything they do, I'm just not a fan (of the players or the organization).
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EG ran a very outrageously successful viral marketing campaign. One that is unprecedented in esports history. Regardless of what you feel about it, you have to hand it to their business/marketing savvy.
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On August 17 2011 05:25 Primadog wrote: EG ran a very outrageously successful viral marketing campaign. One that is unprecedented in esports history. Regardless of what you feel about it, you have to hand it to their business/marketing savvy.
Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
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Just as I said when the whole Incontrol - SotG - EG drama came out, it really makes me sad when something I love starts shifting into a strictly business direction, and it seems to me it wont bring anything good to the scene.
Sure It's nice to know that the top players can sustain them selves and fly around the world, but when you start caring only for who's the highest bidder and start displacing glory/fame whit money as your motivation to improve, in my opinion it loses It's charm.
I wish all the best to HuK, he was first players I really looked up to, ever since I first saw him take down MLG 1 year ago, but what I saw than in that kid is now tainted, because from now on, when I look in his eyes, I don't think I'l see passion and fire, just rolling dollar bills, but hey, that's just me.
I'l still cheer for him in Korea, he's still the best forigner but if he find's him self across the monitor of any liquid or oGs member (well even SlyerS or TSL) I'm going to cheer for the other guy, because he is part of an corporation, not a team.
GL GG and HF EG.HuK, and Liquid'Huk you will be missed.
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On August 17 2011 05:09 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately EG is a very business oriented team they put a lot of effort into cultivating sponsors and promoting their sponsors and getting them a lot of views. While this leads to some discontent with some members in the esports community feeling that they are too ruthless and overly focused on cash it has the upside of giving them the resources needed to aquire players, form team houses, run multiple leagues and so on. Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:55 JoeSchmoe wrote: In retrospect this whole publicity stunt I thought was quite stupid. This was clearly a sensitive issue for TL, there was no need to blow out this situation like that and create so much hype. Sure there was it got them a ton of hype and views which is what they want as it pleases their sponsors. They aren't in this to take care of the sensitivity of TLs fans, they are in it to get themselves tons of brand recognition and views so that they can keep their sponsors happy and acquire new ones. EG isn't a social club, it's a company.
Precisely the reason I'm more inclined towards TL than EG. Philosophies are different. EG is a company, a very profitable and marketable company for sure. But TL still has more swaying power.
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One point that seemly everyone overlooked is the very distressing fact that another team outbid TeamLiquid (especially when Huk is willing to accept a lower offer). There's no logical reason why TL should be financially weaker than ANY starcraft pro team.
I hope TeamLiquid start chasing sponsors and take their business side more seriously, or this kind of event will reoccur.
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On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different?
I would actually be quite disappointed in Nazgul and whoever else is running the TL team if that happened, to be honest.
As for the EG mystery thing, it wasn't handle in the best way. To make such a big fanfare about such a little thing comes off as just rubbing it in our collective face that they got one of TL's players. I know they've got to be proud of their acquisition but you've also got to be cognizant of your reputation and the effect that your announcement will have...
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On August 17 2011 03:16 krndandaman wrote: im curious about how EG is so rich with money... is their owner rich or something?
they've been dishing out tons of money lately have you seen their list of sponsors? EG is rolling in cash.
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On August 17 2011 06:44 Primadog wrote: One point that seemly everyone overlooked is the very distressing fact that another team outbid TeamLiquid (especially when Huk is willing to accept a lower offer). There's no logical reason why TL should be financially weaker than ANY starcraft pro team.
I hope TeamLiquid start chasing sponsors and take their business side more seriously, or this kind of event will reoccur.
I do agree with you on that one. TeamLiquid has such a great potential with all of the fans and people who lurk/visit the site! That way, something like this can be prevented from happening again!
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EG is such a good team.
They have Puma IdrA and HuK, all bought at pristine condition.
Have any of their players like Machine improved?
That's what makes me sad to see HuK leave Liquid' and join EG.
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On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote: Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely.
The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
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On August 17 2011 06:44 Primadog wrote: One point that seemly everyone overlooked is the very distressing fact that another team outbid TeamLiquid (especially when Huk is willing to accept a lower offer). There's no logical reason why TL should be financially weaker than ANY other starcraft pro team.
I hope TeamLiquid start chasing sponsors and take their business side more seriously, or this kind of event will reoccur.
I found myself wondering about that too. Liquid is probably the most beloved team in SC2, and has consistently shown great management. I would think sponsors would be falling over themselves to get behind them.
I have couple theories about why that might not be the case. One is that sponsors may actually be wary of getting involved with them precisely because of their wide reach - will the sponsor be held accountable for what some deranged fan might write on TL forums? The flip side to this is that sponsors also have demands - and it could be harder for TL to accept them than it would be for other teams, because they do more.
Another possibility is that while TL has a proven history in some areas, like running tournaments, they are still pretty new at managing a real team, especially compared to an organization like EG. This could make them appear to be a bigger risk.
I think another part of the reason may be that TL seems to move slowly. I think on the whole this is a good thing. They have evolved a tremendous amount over the past year, while still keeping much of what made them great in the first place.
Another possibility is of course that we are just underestimating the difficulty of getting and keeping sponsorships.
EDITED to add: I thought about this when the NASL started too - if I had 500k to invest in a new starcraft league, TL would be the first people I would ask. I wondered at the time if they were asked and ended up declining.
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On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely.
The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
You are aware that there are other (arguably better) companies like AMD and Gigabyte and Razer that provide components and periferia?
Also Monster's not that popular outside USA, inwin and 6pool gaming is virtually non existent and I really don't know what bigfoot networks is.
I understand that those sponsors are huge, but I also think them pumping money into a single brand that can just buy players like this (the whole life changing offer) is really not that good for the current Starcraft 2 scene (not that It's that big of a deal since all the really good team are still Korean).
Monopoly is never good, and I think it would be better if some of those sponsors went to the teams like Liquid that build players in stead of buying them.
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On August 17 2011 09:15 Jankisa wrote:
You are aware that there are other (arguably better) companies like AMD and Gigabyte and Razer that provide components and periferia?
Also Monster's not that popular outside USA, inwin and 6pool gaming is virtually non existent and I really don't know what bigfoot networks is.
I understand that those sponsors are huge, but I also think them pumping money into a single brand that can just buy players like this (the whole life changing offer) is really not that good for the current Starcraft 2 scene (not that It's that big of a deal since all the really good team are still Korean).
Monopoly is never good, and I think it would be better if some of those sponsors went to the teams like Liquid that build players in stead of buying them.
It terms of performance there is no argument that Intel is currently smashing AMD. Yes you pay for Intels logo but if you want the best you gotta have the money to.
The person I quoted does not show his country so my general assumption is he's from USA.
Razer peripherals are argubly not good at all except a few mice, most of the keyboards, headsets, and other mice are very lackluster compared to other brands.
Monopoly never good? Time to go back to business school Microsoft, although not what it used to be held monopoly over everything software and internet related and look at the success they had. Even now they virtually control what most buisness companies use for internet browsing (That shitty IE6).
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On August 17 2011 01:53 TimmyMac wrote: Why are people mad about this? If Liquid had a 48 hour countdown and then announced they were acquiring idra everyone would be jizzing themselves. Why is this different? [/QUOTE] No they wouldn't because the same people that are sad HuK is on Idra's team are the same people that would be surprised and upset if Idra cam to Liquid. Because Liquid is about Integrity and more than just money. EG is great, but they have a polarizing brand - 'evil' - tacky logo, cliche black t-shirt with loud graphics, players with attitudes, etc. Many people are turned off by that.
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On August 17 2011 09:30 Phtes wrote:It terms of performance there is no argument that Intel is currently smashing AMD. Yes you pay for Intels logo but if you want the best you gotta have the money to. The person I quoted does not show his country so my general assumption is he's from USA. Razer peripherals are argubly not good at all except a few mice, most of the keyboards, headsets, and other mice are very lackluster compared to other brands. Monopoly never good? Time to go back to business school Microsoft, although not what it used to be held monopoly over everything software and internet related and look at the success they had. Even now they virtually control what most buisness companies use for internet browsing (That shitty IE6).
First 2 are your opinion, and you have right to have one (I use AMD at the moment, but I'm well aware that I5 and I7 are kicking ass right now, so you are right there).
Microsoft held it because there was no other way to go, and that was caused by the only viable HW company at the time endorsing that OS, and since the explosion of that industry happened to fast there was no time to adjust it. If things went differently computer tech (at least software would be 5 years ahead of now.
So no, monopoly is not good, competition is. When one team can just whip huge amounts of cash around that's simply not good for the scene or the players, because at one point clan wars/team leagues and team rivalry won't make sense because there won't be enough viable teams,
If you are not on one of a very few huge teams you won't be able to fly to tournaments, and that leads to stale and sucky competition.
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So no, monopoly is not good, competition is. When one team can just whip huge amounts of cash around that's simply not good for the scene or the players, because at one point clan wars/team leagues and team rivalry won't make sense because there won't be enough viable teams,
If you are not on one of a very few huge teams you won't be able to fly to tournaments, and that leads to stale and sucky competition.
Definitely. Competition produces great quality. But seriously, someone needs to make a stand against EG. Sure, FXO bought fOu, but the team itself was still built from ground up. I just hope other teams won't lose players who are willing to take less money to play for their team, and still get offered a lucrative sum.
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On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote: Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely. The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG).
I do have an intel processor and various other intel components in my computer, but they were allbought years ago. Besides Intel sponsors many other things i like so that does not really bother me. I have drank one or two monster in my days, but i never will again, partly because it tastes like shit. Also i bought brand new razer gear (mouse/keyboard/headset) the day they sponsored liquid, but also because i needed new stuff.
The amount of viewers means nothing if the majority just gets pissed off. It might please the sponsors for the moment, but if it does not yield any results in the long term its just another bubble about top burst. I actively try to support companies who sponsor stuff i really like.
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Honestly, it feels like for the liquid fans there really was no "good" way to handle this news, while the EG fans probably the whole situation as the highlight of their week.
It could have been much worse though:
ESPN (ESportsProgamerNetwork?) could have hosted an hour long interview with Huk called "THE DECISION", in which he divulged his plans for where to go at the end of his contract. All us soon-to-be-embittered cleveland... i mean liquid fans would expect him to stay, but then he would say:
"I''ve decided to take my talents to EG."
(p.s. Good luck, EGHuk! We wish you well!)
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On August 17 2011 15:20 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 09:03 Phtes wrote:On August 17 2011 05:38 Rabbitmaster wrote: Sure. But don't expect me to like them/support their sponsors for it.
The odds you are using a computer right now that isn't INTEL is very unlikely, also on that note the odds you wouldn't use an intel chipset is unlikely. Also the odds you never drank a Monster, went to steelseries.com or any of they're sponsors junk is highly unlikely. The countdown was also a stupidly huge sucess for EG the TL thread alone had over 1 MILLION views... Just think how many hits the website got (each one helps the sponosrs of EG). I do have an intel processor and various other intel components in my computer, but they were allbought years ago. Besides Intel sponsors many other things i like so that does not really bother me. I have drank one or two monster in my days, but i never will again, partly because it tastes like shit. Also i bought brand new razer gear (mouse/keyboard/headset) the day they sponsored liquid, but also because i needed new stuff. The amount of viewers means nothing if the majority just gets pissed off. It might please the sponsors for the moment, but if it does not yield any results in the long term its just another bubble about top burst. I actively try to support companies who sponsor stuff i really like.
Same. Other than the fact that most comps nowadays have Intel processors regardless, I haven't gone out of my way to support EG. I actually have never used any of their other sponsors' products. I support TL tho just like Rabbitmaster with my Razer gear. Sure, this is great publicity, but it's pretty negative publicity at best. EG is certainly not in most people's "good books".
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