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A stunningly superficial apology.
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So if anyone actually reads the comments in the thread, no seats in the VIP area or anywhere can be saved by putting bags down. Winning the contest just gives you a temporary seat in any game VIP area where you can temporarily sit down. If you get up, your seats are gone.
Likely scenario is Xeris was looking for seats, sees people sitting in VIP that aren't VIP. They leave for 5 minutes, so he goes and sits down in their seats. Xeris wasn't even technically in the wrong.
This really just goes to show how badass of a guy Sundance is that he was probably in the same situation and sat down in the chair. Then when told about the situation he got up and moved. Sundance is a fucking hero.
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On August 03 2011 00:07 DharmaTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok. Wow, sneaky. Your ego must make itself known even in the middle of an "apology", eh?
Very good catch.
Hey Xeris, he did have the courage to say what he thought about. You just didn't listen and he couldn't enforce it.
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one side says seats were empty.
the other side says the guy took the bags from the seats and threw it to the ground.
therefore, one side is lying.
Phoenix Wright, anyone?
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On August 02 2011 13:05 KawaiiRice wrote:
I was sitting right next to the xeris at that time and this guy didn't explain that he had won his seat or anything. He should have been more clear initially because he just came off as an indignant random spectator trying to reserve a VIP seat lol. those masses of random spectators need to get out of the VIP area zz
Unfortunate series of misunderstandings really. Mlg needs to give these contest winners a special pass maybe.
Edit: I remember the guy said "I've been sitting in that seat all day. I had my stuff on there." to explain himself. How are we supposed to interpret this?
What we have here... is a lack of communication
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On August 02 2011 12:13 GenoZStriker wrote: To be fair, you are more important than him. Looks like we've reached a new level of drama. CHAIR DRAMA!
Dancing chairs, anyone? :p
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly though, awesome job. This is why people come to TL.net for over here we tell it like it is! :p
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On August 03 2011 00:51 dblueguy wrote:
Seems like he's only sorry that Reddit blew this up and looked bad. This is one of the most insincere apologies I've ever read. So I thank Reddit for letting this be brought to everyone's attention and forcing this guy to own up to what he did.
:o you registered just so you could have a say in this O.O
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On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication.
The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event).
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On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event).
I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself.
He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me.
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Haven't I already clarified that there were no permanent seat prizes and the prize he probably won were for the one game he redeemed em on and (supposedly) kicked Sundance off of. TBH I don't understand why they would kick, of all people, Sundance. There are 6, 15-seat rows in the VIP section and they just happened to choose the ones Sundance was sitting on? Although I do believe the part where Sundance steps aside for the two, to be honest he's the most humble guy I've ever worked for. He walked up to the ticket booth and asked us if it was ok to take two spectator passes for his friends.
We were just like.... uhm... you run this thing. IDK is it ok with you? Now that I think about it, it would almost appear that he has self esteem issues... >.>
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On August 03 2011 04:21 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event). I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself. He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me.
Yeah, the guy who jacks someone seat and says that in response to being called out probably shouldn't be talking too much about honor and stuff
also, you're very clearly defending yourself. You're just doing a poor job of it
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On August 03 2011 04:32 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:21 Xeris wrote:On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event). I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself. He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me. Yeah, the guy who jacks someone seat and says that in response to being called out probably shouldn't be talking too much about honor and stuff also, you're very clearly defending yourself. You're just doing a poor job of it
Thank you for your criticism, Hawk
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On August 03 2011 04:32 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:21 Xeris wrote:On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event). I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself. He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me. Yeah, the guy who jacks someone seat and says that in response to being called out probably shouldn't be talking too much about honor and stuff also, you're very clearly defending yourself. You're just doing a poor job of it
Lol~ Chivalry is dead folks. All that remains is trolls, lurkers and them folks on high horses.
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On August 03 2011 04:35 [uci] Fizik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:32 Hawk wrote:On August 03 2011 04:21 Xeris wrote:On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event). I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself. He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me. Yeah, the guy who jacks someone seat and says that in response to being called out probably shouldn't be talking too much about honor and stuff also, you're very clearly defending yourself. You're just doing a poor job of it Lol~ Chivalry is dead folks. All that remains is trolls, lurkers and them folks on high horses.
Now the question remains, which one is Xerix?
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On August 03 2011 04:41 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:35 [uci] Fizik wrote:On August 03 2011 04:32 Hawk wrote:On August 03 2011 04:21 Xeris wrote:On August 03 2011 04:16 domane wrote:On August 02 2011 11:52 Xeris wrote:
The guy behind me was joking about seat stealing with his friends [at least that's what I thought at the time]. So he asked me why I stole the guy's seat despite him earning it, and I joked that I earned it too through years of hard work [I became the manager of a good SC2 team because I worked hard for a long time to get that position, etc]. I didn't think much of it because I thought it was all in jest, but apparently this thread starter had other ideas. I wish you would have had the courage to actually say what you thought about me to my face rather than wait until you got home to write something behind your computer screen, but that's ok.
I told the security lady that there were dozens of seats being taken by people with spectator passes and that they should free up more seats and I'd gladly move if she would get myself and Evoli two more seats. It didn't really go anywhere, the security lady walked away and the guy whose seat I sat in left, and I didn't see or hear from them for the rest of the time. While the contest winner might have been intimidated by you, he should have done a better job of standing up for himself (no pun intended). I'm not saying he bears ultimate responsibility - it's just too bad that there was bad communication. The other guy didn't bother to properly inform you, but I'm not sure about the extent of his responsibility since he was a third party (aside from posting a less considerate, one-sided account of the event). I don't mean to say he's responsible. But it seems like the more honorable thing to do, if you have a problem with someone, to tell them to their face rather than wait until you say something in a more anonymous setting where the person you're accusing can't even defend him/herself. He seemed totally ok when he was talking and sitting behind me, I thought he was just joking around. To come home later, and see the thread he posted, it was a pretty big shock to me. Yeah, the guy who jacks someone seat and says that in response to being called out probably shouldn't be talking too much about honor and stuff also, you're very clearly defending yourself. You're just doing a poor job of it Lol~ Chivalry is dead folks. All that remains is trolls, lurkers and them folks on high horses. Now the question remains, which one is Xerix?
I don't think Iranians even use horses.
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I prefer camels ;(
... or magic carpets
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On August 03 2011 04:46 Xeris wrote:
I prefer camels ;(
... or magic carpets
Or other peoples' seats.
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On August 03 2011 04:53 Flaccid wrote:Or other peoples' seats.
BURN SICK!
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So did Xeris ever explained why he moved their belongings off the chair and took the seat?
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On August 03 2011 04:53 Flaccid wrote:Or other peoples' seats.
LOL. Forget the high horse, just take their damn seat. =D
On August 03 2011 05:19 MuffinFTW wrote:
So did Xeris ever explained why he moved their belongings off the chair and took the seat?
Really dude?
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A lot of people here are talking about how reddit has overblown this; how it isn't a big deal; etc. Well, as some random sc2 spectator, I want to contradict this view. Sure, the fact that some guy took some other's chair isn't that important, but it's one piece of a much wider picture.
Let me give some background. I like to contribute to esports; I want it to grow and be successful, but I don't have unlimited money to spend and I have to pick and choose which organisations to support. I want to support the people who seem to have an attitude I can get behind and the ability to expand and improve. It's reports like this which give me the information I need to make that decision.
Time and again, I've seen NASL employees act like they are entitled to my money, and act derisively towards fellows fans, and while there is often an apology, it's often of the same form: 'Oh, well we're sorry but anyway you guys are a bunch of losers / wrong lol' and frankly I find that insulting. Maybe this isn't how it is meant, maybe these are all great guys who are genuinely doing their best, but this is how these things appear to me as an uninformed spectator.
In contrast, my experience with, say, MLG has been much better. While a couple of MLGs ago I was hugely disappointed with the experience and a bit annoyed, I feel that Sundance represented the company well and make a genuine apology, and things have much improved since then. It's for this reason I'm more than happy to pay for my Silver membership, and I would even if Sundance and Xeris' positions in this story were reversed - this alone wouldn't be enough to change my mind, but it's part of a wider picture.
I know this is long, but I wanted to fully explain why I feel reporting on stuff like this is important.
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