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My friend needs help getting back into sc2

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 22:38:21
August 01 2011 22:38 GMT
#1
The situation:
My good friend "P-dawg" (this is a pseudonym, his name isn't actually P-dawg and nobody calls him that) no longer plays Starcraft 2. He played extensively during beta and for several months after release, getting into Diamond League and helping me until I was a Diamond League player as well. Then, gradually, he began to stop playing. He'd go on tilt for hours and lose games, and rage, and not play. He made an alt and played on that in order to not feel like he was on tilt, but of course that stopped working pretty soon. He bought another account and it still was no good.

So he stopped playing 1v1s in about December of 2010. At this point, P-dawg and I didn't see each other for a while due to break. In any case, he eventually stuck entirely to team games... and he started playing less and less of those, too. In March (? around that time), he tried to start laddering again, reasoning that for Season 2 he could give things another shot. However, now due to a long time not playing, he had lost a lot of skill and was much worse. Upset, he quickly gave up. Rage overcame him and he retreated and became a Casual LoL player.

Eventually, he stopped even logging into sc2 for 1v1 obs games or team matches, or other UMS. He gave his alts away to friends. I think part of what is holding him back is that he remembers how good he used to be, and is demoralized by his current skill level due to being so rusty. Is there anything I can do to get P-dawg to start playing again? Or should I just let him fade into a casual gamer?

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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
August 01 2011 22:51 GMT
#2
1. If he has no motivation to get better, there's nothing you can do.

2. Take him to a live SC2 event.
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 01:01:07
August 02 2011 00:59 GMT
#3
On August 02 2011 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Eventually, he stopped even logging into sc2 for 1v1 obs games or team matches, or other UMS. He gave his alts away to friends. I think part of what is holding him back is that he remembers how good he used to be, and is demoralized by his current skill level due to being so rusty. Is there anything I can do to get P-dawg to start playing again? Or should I just let him fade into a casual gamer?


This is a very strange way of looking at the situation.

If he isn't having fun, there is no reason to push him to play. If he is someone who is that easily upset by competitive video games, you DEFINITELY shouldn't push him to play them. It seems like you are wanting to push him into playing for your own personal gain (somehow...?), which is never good for the other person. He clearly made the right decision for him. If it is negatively affecting one's life, it is smart to step away. Not everyone is wired the same, and some deal with such situations differently. Although I feel it is beneficial to attempt to strengthen one's weaknesses and faults in life, there are plenty of ways of improving how you deal with adversity rather than playing SC2.

I also don't understand why it is a bad thing. What is wrong with being a "casual gamer"? Avoiding frustration and instead opting to enjoy one's self is bad? That's a backwards way of looking at the situation.

I would understand if there was an incentive in the end... if reaching X level of skill level would magically make things that much more enjoyable... but that isn't really the case with competitive games. Yes, reaching a higher level of play may make winning more enjoyable, but if he continues to take losses as he does, then it will never benefit him.

I also find it odd that you say that he "needs" this help, when you don't mention him asking for it in any way.

The thread would be a much different discussion if you mentioned just why you thought he "needed" to do this. If he mentioned it to you directly, and asked for ways to get back into the game, the discussion here would be different. If he DID ask that, you should mention it somewhere in your post. As it reads, it sounds like he doesn't need anything.
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
August 02 2011 01:25 GMT
#4
I recommend telling him to switch race to Terran or toss

Seriously though I recommend team games with some form of voice chat. So it's not so much playing SC as it it talking with friend/s while owning noobs.
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
August 02 2011 01:34 GMT
#5
Well if he doesn't want to play sc2 anymore theres no point in making him play. If he wants to get back into it its up to him to spend the time playing as a noob again and really work towards getting better. If you want to try to give him the motivation to start playing again have him watch day9 daily 100. Every time i get sick of the game i watch that again and feel better.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
August 02 2011 01:34 GMT
#6
Well, I think he likes playing, and he enjoys laddering quite a bit. When he does play 1v1, he gets very immersed, talks strategy with me and his other friends, watches streams, and generally enjoys laddering. It just so happens that whenever he goes on a losing streak, he quits the game for a while. The worse the losing streak, the more tilted he is, and the longer he quits. Long quits lead to him being rusty, and then he has another losing streak when he comes back. He gets demoralized and feels sad. He wants to like the game, but each time he takes a longer break and is even rustier when he comes back...
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