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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
July 30 2011 22:11 GMT
#121
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 30 2011 22:14 GMT
#122
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


If NesTea is a bonjwa the word is meaningless and dozens of players are bonjwas.
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#123
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


How dare you.

Who do you think you are to say that?

No one in SC2 is a bonjwa. You are completely delusional and just plain wrong. Please shut up and think about what you say before you actually say it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
July 30 2011 22:27 GMT
#124
I honestly thought this was about "ESPORTS".
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
July 30 2011 22:33 GMT
#125
On July 31 2011 07:18 pStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


How dare you.

Who do you think you are to say that?

No one in SC2 is a bonjwa. You are completely delusional and just plain wrong. Please shut up and think about what you say before you actually say it.


This is the kind of elitism that people are talking about. You are either on a very high horse or you are a bad troll. I absolutely thought about what I was going to write before I wrote it, and I would like to issue a similar challenge to you: watch NesTea's play, watch him dominate the entire StarCraft II scene, and then try to swallow your irrational pride and give IMNesTea the respect he deserves.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 22:43:23
July 30 2011 22:41 GMT
#126
On July 31 2011 07:33 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:18 pStar wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


How dare you.

Who do you think you are to say that?

No one in SC2 is a bonjwa. You are completely delusional and just plain wrong. Please shut up and think about what you say before you actually say it.


This is the kind of elitism that people are talking about. You are either on a very high horse or you are a bad troll. I absolutely thought about what I was going to write before I wrote it, and I would like to issue a similar challenge to you: watch NesTea's play, watch him dominate the entire StarCraft II scene, and then try to swallow your irrational pride and give IMNesTea the respect he deserves.


Nestea has dominated for ... less than 5 months. Before he won GSL May it was these same people calling MC the first SC2 bonjwa. Dominance has to extend longer than that to even be considered.

Flash made two finals TWICE IN A ROW and still wasn't crowed until after he won his 5th title. You cannot just dominate the lower-level progamers. You have to dominate EVERYONE, that includes the second best player. For Flash, that was Jaedong. For Boxer, that was Yellow.
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
July 30 2011 22:44 GMT
#127
On July 31 2011 07:33 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:18 pStar wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


How dare you.

Who do you think you are to say that?

No one in SC2 is a bonjwa. You are completely delusional and just plain wrong. Please shut up and think about what you say before you actually say it.


This is the kind of elitism that people are talking about. You are either on a very high horse or you are a bad troll. I absolutely thought about what I was going to write before I wrote it, and I would like to issue a similar challenge to you: watch NesTea's play, watch him dominate the entire StarCraft II scene, and then try to swallow your irrational pride and give IMNesTea the respect he deserves.


has Nestea revolutionized the scene and the game?

No. Stop being foolish.
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 22:57:47
July 30 2011 22:54 GMT
#128
The OP is a giant faggot, which means he is a giant bundle of sticks.

Because we all know, that the meaning of a word is not subject to alteration as time passes, and the culture revolving the term changes.

I understand how you feel threatened because your game gets slowly but steadily replaced by it's predecessor, but you should just embrace the fact that there is a whole new community surrounding a whole new game and elitism an conservatism by ESPORTS-fossils is uncalled for.

User was temp banned for this post.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
July 30 2011 23:06 GMT
#129
On July 31 2011 07:54 caruso wrote:
... because your game gets slowly but steadily replaced by it's predecessor...


Great news!
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
July 30 2011 23:16 GMT
#130
On July 31 2011 08:06 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:54 caruso wrote:
... because your game gets slowly but steadily replaced by it's predecessor...


Great news!


You can't deny that the Occident has embraced SC2 in a way that Broodwar never experienced.
Tournaments and prizepools are much larger and more frequent, there are some team houses in EU/NA and even ACTUAL professional gamers.

Just look at the explosion of Team Liquid since the launch of SC2.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 30 2011 23:29 GMT
#131
On July 31 2011 07:33 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:18 pStar wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


How dare you.

Who do you think you are to say that?

No one in SC2 is a bonjwa. You are completely delusional and just plain wrong. Please shut up and think about what you say before you actually say it.


This is the kind of elitism that people are talking about. You are either on a very high horse or you are a bad troll. I absolutely thought about what I was going to write before I wrote it, and I would like to issue a similar challenge to you: watch NesTea's play, watch him dominate the entire StarCraft II scene, and then try to swallow your irrational pride and give IMNesTea the respect he deserves.


NesTea won two tournaments recently. He hasn't beaten MC since neither of them were near the top, he's never beaten MVP, he's never beaten Polt, he's never beaten Alicia or Puzzle or Huk or Dongraegu. He beat Losira and Bomber, who are good but that barely scratches the surface of "dominating the scene". And he lost to TOP, who's done nothing since winning Code A.
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
July 30 2011 23:32 GMT
#132
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


The only place a concerted reactionary fight to keep down the SC2 scene exists is in your mind. Or do victim complexes help ESPORTS in some way now?


there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
July 30 2011 23:33 GMT
#133
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.


iloveoov won 37 TvZ games in a row, went undefeated 5-0 in Starleague finals and led his team to the proleague championship twice. Flash made it into 6 finals in a row, 7 if you count WCG, and carried his team to the WL and PL championships, all with a severe wrist injury. it's downright disrespectful to those players to put Nestea on the same level for winning 3 tournaments vs creampuff opponents.
Forward
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 23:42:28
July 30 2011 23:34 GMT
#134
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.

Lmao, when korean netizens hear this... all hell will break lose.

Btw, can you compare GSL to OSL or MSL?

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 31 2011 07:54 caruso wrote:
The OP is a giant faggot, which means he is a giant bundle of sticks.

Because we all know, that the meaning of a word is not subject to alteration as time passes, and the culture revolving the term changes.

I understand how you feel threatened because your game gets slowly but steadily replaced by it's predecessor, but you should just embrace the fact that there is a whole new community surrounding a whole new game and elitism an conservatism by ESPORTS-fossils is uncalled for.

User was temp banned for this post.


Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 30 days ban right here.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
July 30 2011 23:50 GMT
#135
It is kinda sad that the people hating on bw still want to use bw words that they don't even understand.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 23:56:52
July 30 2011 23:55 GMT
#136
On July 31 2011 07:11 mbr2321 wrote:
These conservative, reactionary BW people keep fighting against the SC2 scene. This kind of nit-pickkery over a word, a single word, bonjwa, calls images of 70 year-old's yelling at kids to get off their lawn and reminiscing fondly over "the good old days" to the mind -- let it go. NesTea is a bonjwa.

I am just going to post here before I sleep. If you're going to take a word that was coined in the BW era, you're darn well going to be ridiculed by if you go and use that word incorrectly.

Do you understand what that word even means? I highly doubt it. To truly be at the top of everyone, you have to crush them and exert dominance and innovate. Nestea is a good player no doubt, but his plays are not what I would call revolutionary. Boxer is remembered for his micro and daring play especially with dropships and bio. Oov was the macro monster who could cheat armies out of nowhere and pioneered macro heavy play. Nada was the Tornado Terran who used his blistering micro with extremely well planned timing attacks to be the most winningest player. Saviour's mindgames and builds were beyond his time and still today aren't fully replicated by other players. Nestea just plays solidly and is a good player but he's hardly a legend.

The GSL is uninspiring and still hardly top-tier. Sure, in today's standards it's one of the hardest tournaments. But then again, the 2001 OSL was the highest level of SB:BW play 10 years ago filled with really bright minds but we laugh at how bad a lot of the games are now (like, what, D- ICCUP stuff?).

If you want to compare Nestea to Saviour, I want you to show me games where he wins against some of the best vZ players, the most innovative players to exist and win on imbalanced maps and continue to do so consistently.

If you have not already, read this and realise just how dominant the legends of old were. Then go look up Oov and Nada and see their pioneering achievements and innovations.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
July 30 2011 23:55 GMT
#137
Use the words "gosu", "chogosu" or "japji" all you want, but using "bonjwa" kindof pisses me off too.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
x-Catalyst
Profile Joined August 2010
United States921 Posts
July 31 2011 00:32 GMT
#138
On July 31 2011 08:50 Boblion wrote:
It is kinda sad that the people hating on bw still want to use bw words that they don't even understand.

This, a million times this.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
July 31 2011 00:45 GMT
#139
by now bw vs sc2 fuels itself
I doubt any of the parties involved actually care about the games that much, you can kind of tell by the posts that the argument exists because of the general feeling that there is an argument.
kind of sad tbh
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 31 2011 01:42 GMT
#140
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