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On July 31 2011 00:35 Bagonad wrote:
Something that's really bothering me is the sick sc1 "fanboyism" that's going in pretty much every forum not in the sc2 section, honestly it feels like you're not even a real human if you haven't been into the sc1 scene, with words like "sc2 kiddie" being used to casually, and anytime starcraft 2 is even mentioned, someone quickly links to old sc1 profiles of Nestea and MC to show how terrible they are at a REAL game (Obviously starcraft 2 is a shit game if the top players can't play a completely different game!)
Let sc2 fans call people the "B-word" if they want to, it's dosen't hurt anyone, they simply pay respect to a person with a word used in a game of the same genre.
Anyone into video games must know how it feels to be alienated and looked down upon by people for not liking what they like, just because you love starcraft 1 dosen't mean to have to rampage all over the place yelling how good a game it is and how starcraft 2 is horrible (And opposite),i understand that Teamliquid has been a website focusing entirely on starcraft 1 for years, and you feel like strangers are moving into the neightbourhood,but please leave people to their own buisness, can't we all just get along?
lol it's posts like these... you just don't even understand
and i'm trying so hard not to type in caps right now .
fully support warns for using the word in sc2.
also: Lol what if i applied your logic to the N word? if i just use it how i want, it shouldn't hurt anyone, it's just a word anyways... lol no you can't just do that sorry.
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Nestea, super gosu bonjwa.
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Yeah, we should not use it, but I doubt it's going to stop ):
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On July 31 2011 00:59 TheNessman wrote:
also: Lol what if i applied your logic to the N word? if i just use it how i want, it shouldn't hurt anyone, it's just a word anyways... lol no you can't just do that sorry.
People aren't offended by the word (at least not intelligent people...), they are offended by the intention and context.
1) Saying "you stupid nigger" to a black person is almost always deemed offensive.
2) A black person saying "nigger" to another black person does not (in many cases, not always of course; I don't speak in absolutes) carry an offensive tone (a term of endearment, etc.).
3) Having a discussion with someone about words and offensive, and using the word (like I am here) generally does not offend.
In the first situation, the intention behind the word (to insult and offend) causes it to be "offensive".
In the second and third, it is generally not considered offensive because there is no negative intention behind it. It is simply used in a different context.
I personally don't find any words offensive, but I understand that some do. I do not feel any word should ever offend, but rather, the intention of the speaker.
Calling someone a "dumb idiot" should be as offensive as calling someone a "stupid fucking piece of shit", but it isn't, because we're raised to believe "these letters, when put together, are offensive". It is an arbitrary distinction.
No word is inherently more offensive than another. That isn't how language works. However, the power we give to the word ("I deem this offensive") does.
Sorry to rant, but I hate seeing people arbitrarily consider certain words "inappropriate".
NOTE: I am not involved in the discussion of the thread. This is completely directed towards your post. I hope you understand that none of this is meant to "flame", but rather, make a point.
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Wait, isn't Flash a bonjwa? I don't follow BW and I thought he was, serious question.
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On July 31 2011 01:43 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Wait, isn't Flash a bonjwa? I don't follow BW and I thought he was, serious question.
Yes he is.
Didn't you see that graph that was posted/quoted 10 times in the thread?
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People are using the term too much, but you can't deny the fact that some posters are actually overreacting to people using. Not you GTR, or specifically anyone in this thread, but I've seen a few posts here and there where people go batshit insane over the term.
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Why can't we just take over the term and use it with our own definition? I don't get why you have to limit the term to early BW. We can adopt it as the foreign scene and make it into something new and meaningful in its own way.
It was like people getting mad that KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen were called the Big Three. Who cares man lighten up, they won championships they deserve it too. Kinda funny to say that cuz I fucking hate them, especially Allen.
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I agree completely. I only use 'the word' when I'm talking about SaviOr or NaDa lol
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On July 31 2011 01:55 Zim23 wrote:
Why can't we just take over the term and use it with our own definition? I don't get why you have to limit the term to early BW. We can adopt it as the foreign scene and make it into something new and meaningful in its own way.
It was like people getting mad that KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen were called the Big Three. Who cares man lighten up, they won championships they deserve it too. Kinda funny to say that cuz I fucking hate them, especially Allen.
Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time. A Bonjwa typically has an incredibly high winning-percentage and many successive title wins. Each Bonjwa has won 3 titles in the course of one year.
If you are unsatisfied with that definition of the word then by all means create your very own original word. DO NOT take the title of bonjwa and warp it into something to describe mediocre play, or flash-in-the-pan dominance. Be a little more respective to players who have actually earned that prestigious title and stop throwing it around like candy.
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On July 31 2011 00:19 ShadeR wrote:Neither of you guys understood the OP. The point is that the title Bonjwa grew from  sAviOr and is specific to BW. It isn't elitism, more ... grammar. Zergbong is Bonjwa in an SC2 context makes as much sense as Zergbong is Bodonkawonk.
Oh and it's just not good enough for you that a term originating in SC1 might carry over to SC2?
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On July 31 2011 03:00 stafu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:19 ShadeR wrote:Neither of you guys understood the OP. The point is that the title Bonjwa grew from sAviOr and is specific to BW. It isn't elitism, more ... grammar. Zergbong is Bonjwa in an SC2 context makes as much sense as Zergbong is Bodonkawonk. Oh and it's just not good enough for you that a term originating in SC1 might carry over to SC2?
7v1 BGH COMP STOMP no longer exists
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I don't see why we can't have a different terminology from the koreans.
Agreed about using it in SC2.
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bonjwa, baller, elitist, metagame, fuck all these words. What ever happened to moxie? It's a fantastic word.
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speaking of baller, I would like to know his opinion on this situation...
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On July 31 2011 00:35 Bagonad wrote:
Something that's really bothering me is the sick sc1 "fanboyism" that's going in pretty much every forum not in the sc2 section, honestly it feels like you're not even a real human if you haven't been into the sc1 scene, with words like "sc2 kiddie" being used to casually, and anytime starcraft 2 is even mentioned, someone quickly links to old sc1 profiles of Nestea and MC to show how terrible they are at a REAL game (Obviously starcraft 2 is a shit game if the top players can't play a completely different game!)
Let sc2 fans call people the "B-word" if they want to, it's dosen't hurt anyone, they simply pay respect to a person with a word used in a game of the same genre.
Anyone into video games must know how it feels to be alienated and looked down upon by people for not liking what they like, just because you love starcraft 1 dosen't mean to have to rampage all over the place yelling how good a game it is and how starcraft 2 is horrible (And opposite),i understand that Teamliquid has been a website focusing entirely on starcraft 1 for years, and you feel like strangers are moving into the neightbourhood,but please leave people to their own buisness, can't we all just get along?
The problem is most people dont want the term associated with people who couldnt even hold a positive record in BW (Mc/Zergbong(nestea))and are dominating sc2 just on the fact its an easier game, and want the term reserved for the the 4 gods of Broodwar.
Personally i feel the exact same way as most people
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