• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:45
CEST 16:45
KST 23:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!40Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
2026 KungFu Cup Announcement PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
Best Games Kespa era [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End BW General Discussion Your past clans ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7897 users

My thoughts on recent MLG events

Blogs > dabom88
Post a Reply
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
July 30 2011 03:51 GMT
#1
My main thoughts are that people are jumping the gun too quickly. They should calm down, give their feedback on issues in a calm and reasonable manner, and give MLG some time to respond to the feedback. I think Columbus proved that MLG is very willing to listen to feedback and makes changes when necessary.

No Anaheim replays:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249168

This, indeed, is an issue for a lot of people, especially when MLG replays have been a really good source of strategies to try out. The big issue seems to be that there does not seem to be any kind of response as to why they aren't being released after the event. But again, my same suggestions apply here: calm down, give your feedback on issue of replays being released after the event. Tell it to MLG in a calm and reasonable manner, and give MLG some time to respond to the feedback.

And keep in mind, they really don't need to release replays. It was a PRIVILEGE that we got to get all the replays at past events. Keep the fact that no one is really entitled to these replays and be thankful if you get them.

No 2 HQ Streams at same time:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249214

Eh. Once again, give MLG your feedback and that you think that you should be able to watch the 2 streams simultaneously if you bought an HQ pass. This seems like a no-brainer for MLG, but it's probably not something they can fix right away. Just give them your feedback and wait until the next MLG event for them to change it.

Subscribers and prize pools:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=248967

This is probably the one that's the most confusing, as there seems to be a lot of emotion being thrown around. Now, I understand how people are really passionate about SC2. But too much emotion can cloud reasoning. MLG DOES have a lot of faults that it doesn't seem to be willing to face/ignoring. However, acting antagonistic towards them isn't the right way to go about things.

MLG has one thing in the right: More subscribers will lead to them raising the prize pool. It's simple business, and that's what MLG is. Aiming for a high subscriber count isn't a bad goal for a business like MLG.

And there are some factors to consider. MLG clearly spend a ton of money on satellite trucks, travel, convention halls, and gaming equipment. At the same time, they also have some big sponsors to offset some of those costs. There’s really no way of really knowing how financially sound the company is - but they are probably not making money hand over fist given their large expenses + staff.

HOWEVER, that's probably where the sympathy for MLG stops.

For a company that only holds 6 events a year, a prize pool of 14,000 dollars, with the First Prize only being 5,000, it's rather pathetic. That's not even enough to cover a lot players' travel costs, especially non-Americans. IMO, First Prize should get at least 7,500 dollars in an event like this at the lowest, and 10,000 to be a respectable amount. When comparing it to the prize pools of other major events, it's a FACT it's much lower than others comparatively. This could even lead to less people attending unless they are near an event.

I don't know their current subscriber numbers, but 100,000 subscribers is a lot to shoot for. If you state "If we sell 100,000 memberships before the national championship I will raise the prize pool. A lot. Next season too" makes it sound like hitting 100,000 is the only way you would even consider raising the prize pool. And when your prize pool is so much lower than most other major tournaments, that's a FACT that asking for 100,000 subscribers is a lot to ask for.

And then going on to state "if that number is to high than I need to cut prize money next year" does come off as a bit dickish. So unless that probably unreasonable goal of 100,000 is met, you're threatening to cut your already lackluster prize pool? Please. That is not the way to woo more potential subscribers. Be optimistic about it, and set a more realistic goal. Provide the services up to the quality that people are expecting when they choose to buy a subscription. Release those replays. Allow for the ability to watch 2 HQ streams with one pass. Things like that will get more people to buy subscriptions because then they'll want to support you.

It's not MLG's place nor anyone else's to tell people to "step up and buy subscriptions". People will buy subscriptions based on how much they value the service, not based on how much they "want to support e-sports". That is also business. Columbus was a step forward in the right direction for MLG, and it gained a lot of supporters following it. However, this attitude by some figures at MLG is quickly losing those same followers.

People could definitely be more polite in their feedback. However, the attitude of some people at MLG isn't really helping, and MLG doesn't seem to be willing to face some facts when comparing their events with other Major events.

**
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
July 30 2011 06:30 GMT
#2
i agree with this thread +1
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 06:39:22
July 30 2011 06:35 GMT
#3
1 thing for sure for a spectator like me, this MLG Anaheim has been getting worse compared to the Columbus which is so good,
I mean stream is lagging even more than Dallas, and they expect to raise subscribers to 100,000.
Dont get me wrong, i get a silver pass, but feel horrible with the quality of the stream lately.
Can not open double hd stream at once is a down as well, when there are so good matches going on.
I feel so desperate after waiting so long for the event. I said to myself OK no problem I will get some replays later to study. Bumps, no replays released this time.
ZZ come on, at least release them after the event, if you say the players may get DDOS, or MLG want to get higher subscribers and make huge profit off the event?

Besides, players quality may have improve from the open bracket. But the more good players there are, I expect them to have higher prizepools.
I mean look at the venue(I dont know they can get how much from the venue), and the players. They deserve to get at least 15k $ for a first place and 40k~ prize pool. I guess they still have to make profit (huge profit :-?) but, I am not sure If good players will be motivated to come and play from open bracket and finish like 15 bo3 to make a final with the best in EU/NA and some top elite players in KR, getting 5k $ in process.
Hmm, why not play some mediocre Online event like IPL and get triple of that.
Compare this to nasl prize pool, I feel sorry for the players who make the final here.

Sorry for my English
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
July 30 2011 07:45 GMT
#4
I don't mind their not giving out replays as much as their reasoning behind it, which is that they're worried it makes them unsafe?

2 HQ streams at once sounds reasonable.

Bigger prize pools are always welcome, I'm not sure they'd be very willing to make it bigger though...
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 30 2011 07:52 GMT
#5
I mostly agree here, but i must say, the most annoying thing about the MLG was the amount of IN GAME lag, it wasnt a stream problem, there was actually in game lag, and most of the players were getting annoyed and asking for pauses. To me this isnt even mlg's fault, its blizzard, if we had some sord of LAN option, not even for public use, i mean, strictly GSL, Dream hack and MLG can obtain some sord of LAN license or some shit from blizz so PRO PLAYERS DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHITTY LAG!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 30 2011 08:12 GMT
#6
On July 30 2011 16:52 rebuffering wrote:
I mostly agree here, but i must say, the most annoying thing about the MLG was the amount of IN GAME lag, it wasnt a stream problem, there was actually in game lag, and most of the players were getting annoyed and asking for pauses. To me this isnt even mlg's fault, its blizzard, if we had some sord of LAN option, not even for public use, i mean, strictly GSL, Dream hack and MLG can obtain some sord of LAN license or some shit from blizz so PRO PLAYERS DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHITTY LAG!

There will never be LAN sadly.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 09:14:16
July 30 2011 09:14 GMT
#7
MLG even set up JTV accounts so that you could watch the broadcast without using their video players. I don't see how you can possibly complain about Anaheim being worse than Columbus as a spectator, besides the caster changes (because Tastosis is currently casting GSL Finals.)

In fact, when you say to compare it to other tournaments, that's exactly what you should do. GSL is $9.99 for a month with ads, $19.99 for a month with no ads. MLG is $9.99 for 3 months with no ads, and $29.99 for a year with no ads. Is the overall level of play higher from GSL? Probably, but it has a horrible track record with finals and a lot of those very same players are playing in MLG too.

On top of that, GOM is having big stream/outtage problems for this current GSL finals.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
12:00
PiGfest 8.0 Group D
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
PiGStarcraft1811
IntoTheiNu 1257
ComeBackTV 674
IndyStarCraft 281
Rex188
3DClanTV 144
BRAT_OK 137
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1811
IndyStarCraft 281
Rex 188
BRAT_OK 137
SHIN 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37871
BeSt 1108
Light 958
EffOrt 625
Soma 491
Larva 447
Snow 264
Mong 136
Last 116
Hyun 71
[ Show more ]
soO 47
Sexy 42
ToSsGirL 41
sorry 28
Shine 26
scan(afreeca) 25
Rock 23
Bale 23
Free 22
zelot 22
Terrorterran 18
NaDa 17
Sacsri 17
Noble 15
ZZZero.O 4
Dota 2
qojqva3923
Counter-Strike
fl0m5013
ScreaM984
kRYSTAL_51
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King301
Chillindude8
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor352
Other Games
B2W.Neo651
ToD358
KnowMe101
Liquid`RaSZi0
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV270
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 25
• Michael_bg 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1148
League of Legends
• Jankos1966
• Nemesis1310
Upcoming Events
IPSL
1h 15m
OSC
9h 15m
Afreeca Starleague
19h 15m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
20h 15m
The Patches Monday
1d 1h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 20h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.