• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:34
CET 14:34
KST 22:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2267 users

My thoughts on recent MLG events

Blogs > dabom88
Post a Reply
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
July 30 2011 03:51 GMT
#1
My main thoughts are that people are jumping the gun too quickly. They should calm down, give their feedback on issues in a calm and reasonable manner, and give MLG some time to respond to the feedback. I think Columbus proved that MLG is very willing to listen to feedback and makes changes when necessary.

No Anaheim replays:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249168

This, indeed, is an issue for a lot of people, especially when MLG replays have been a really good source of strategies to try out. The big issue seems to be that there does not seem to be any kind of response as to why they aren't being released after the event. But again, my same suggestions apply here: calm down, give your feedback on issue of replays being released after the event. Tell it to MLG in a calm and reasonable manner, and give MLG some time to respond to the feedback.

And keep in mind, they really don't need to release replays. It was a PRIVILEGE that we got to get all the replays at past events. Keep the fact that no one is really entitled to these replays and be thankful if you get them.

No 2 HQ Streams at same time:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249214

Eh. Once again, give MLG your feedback and that you think that you should be able to watch the 2 streams simultaneously if you bought an HQ pass. This seems like a no-brainer for MLG, but it's probably not something they can fix right away. Just give them your feedback and wait until the next MLG event for them to change it.

Subscribers and prize pools:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=248967

This is probably the one that's the most confusing, as there seems to be a lot of emotion being thrown around. Now, I understand how people are really passionate about SC2. But too much emotion can cloud reasoning. MLG DOES have a lot of faults that it doesn't seem to be willing to face/ignoring. However, acting antagonistic towards them isn't the right way to go about things.

MLG has one thing in the right: More subscribers will lead to them raising the prize pool. It's simple business, and that's what MLG is. Aiming for a high subscriber count isn't a bad goal for a business like MLG.

And there are some factors to consider. MLG clearly spend a ton of money on satellite trucks, travel, convention halls, and gaming equipment. At the same time, they also have some big sponsors to offset some of those costs. There’s really no way of really knowing how financially sound the company is - but they are probably not making money hand over fist given their large expenses + staff.

HOWEVER, that's probably where the sympathy for MLG stops.

For a company that only holds 6 events a year, a prize pool of 14,000 dollars, with the First Prize only being 5,000, it's rather pathetic. That's not even enough to cover a lot players' travel costs, especially non-Americans. IMO, First Prize should get at least 7,500 dollars in an event like this at the lowest, and 10,000 to be a respectable amount. When comparing it to the prize pools of other major events, it's a FACT it's much lower than others comparatively. This could even lead to less people attending unless they are near an event.

I don't know their current subscriber numbers, but 100,000 subscribers is a lot to shoot for. If you state "If we sell 100,000 memberships before the national championship I will raise the prize pool. A lot. Next season too" makes it sound like hitting 100,000 is the only way you would even consider raising the prize pool. And when your prize pool is so much lower than most other major tournaments, that's a FACT that asking for 100,000 subscribers is a lot to ask for.

And then going on to state "if that number is to high than I need to cut prize money next year" does come off as a bit dickish. So unless that probably unreasonable goal of 100,000 is met, you're threatening to cut your already lackluster prize pool? Please. That is not the way to woo more potential subscribers. Be optimistic about it, and set a more realistic goal. Provide the services up to the quality that people are expecting when they choose to buy a subscription. Release those replays. Allow for the ability to watch 2 HQ streams with one pass. Things like that will get more people to buy subscriptions because then they'll want to support you.

It's not MLG's place nor anyone else's to tell people to "step up and buy subscriptions". People will buy subscriptions based on how much they value the service, not based on how much they "want to support e-sports". That is also business. Columbus was a step forward in the right direction for MLG, and it gained a lot of supporters following it. However, this attitude by some figures at MLG is quickly losing those same followers.

People could definitely be more polite in their feedback. However, the attitude of some people at MLG isn't really helping, and MLG doesn't seem to be willing to face some facts when comparing their events with other Major events.

**
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
July 30 2011 06:30 GMT
#2
i agree with this thread +1
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 06:39:22
July 30 2011 06:35 GMT
#3
1 thing for sure for a spectator like me, this MLG Anaheim has been getting worse compared to the Columbus which is so good,
I mean stream is lagging even more than Dallas, and they expect to raise subscribers to 100,000.
Dont get me wrong, i get a silver pass, but feel horrible with the quality of the stream lately.
Can not open double hd stream at once is a down as well, when there are so good matches going on.
I feel so desperate after waiting so long for the event. I said to myself OK no problem I will get some replays later to study. Bumps, no replays released this time.
ZZ come on, at least release them after the event, if you say the players may get DDOS, or MLG want to get higher subscribers and make huge profit off the event?

Besides, players quality may have improve from the open bracket. But the more good players there are, I expect them to have higher prizepools.
I mean look at the venue(I dont know they can get how much from the venue), and the players. They deserve to get at least 15k $ for a first place and 40k~ prize pool. I guess they still have to make profit (huge profit :-?) but, I am not sure If good players will be motivated to come and play from open bracket and finish like 15 bo3 to make a final with the best in EU/NA and some top elite players in KR, getting 5k $ in process.
Hmm, why not play some mediocre Online event like IPL and get triple of that.
Compare this to nasl prize pool, I feel sorry for the players who make the final here.

Sorry for my English
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
July 30 2011 07:45 GMT
#4
I don't mind their not giving out replays as much as their reasoning behind it, which is that they're worried it makes them unsafe?

2 HQ streams at once sounds reasonable.

Bigger prize pools are always welcome, I'm not sure they'd be very willing to make it bigger though...
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 30 2011 07:52 GMT
#5
I mostly agree here, but i must say, the most annoying thing about the MLG was the amount of IN GAME lag, it wasnt a stream problem, there was actually in game lag, and most of the players were getting annoyed and asking for pauses. To me this isnt even mlg's fault, its blizzard, if we had some sord of LAN option, not even for public use, i mean, strictly GSL, Dream hack and MLG can obtain some sord of LAN license or some shit from blizz so PRO PLAYERS DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHITTY LAG!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 30 2011 08:12 GMT
#6
On July 30 2011 16:52 rebuffering wrote:
I mostly agree here, but i must say, the most annoying thing about the MLG was the amount of IN GAME lag, it wasnt a stream problem, there was actually in game lag, and most of the players were getting annoyed and asking for pauses. To me this isnt even mlg's fault, its blizzard, if we had some sord of LAN option, not even for public use, i mean, strictly GSL, Dream hack and MLG can obtain some sord of LAN license or some shit from blizz so PRO PLAYERS DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHITTY LAG!

There will never be LAN sadly.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 09:14:16
July 30 2011 09:14 GMT
#7
MLG even set up JTV accounts so that you could watch the broadcast without using their video players. I don't see how you can possibly complain about Anaheim being worse than Columbus as a spectator, besides the caster changes (because Tastosis is currently casting GSL Finals.)

In fact, when you say to compare it to other tournaments, that's exactly what you should do. GSL is $9.99 for a month with ads, $19.99 for a month with no ads. MLG is $9.99 for 3 months with no ads, and $29.99 for a year with no ads. Is the overall level of play higher from GSL? Probably, but it has a horrible track record with finals and a lot of those very same players are playing in MLG too.

On top of that, GOM is having big stream/outtage problems for this current GSL finals.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
12:30
#16
SteadfastSC31
LiquipediaDiscussion
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group B
WardiTV1196
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko256
Rex 168
SortOf 124
SteadfastSC 47
MindelVK 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 50379
Rain 3248
Larva 536
Mini 477
firebathero 473
PianO 359
Last 214
Rush 156
Killer 155
sorry 79
[ Show more ]
Aegong 67
Backho 38
Movie 29
soO 27
ToSsGirL 23
HiyA 22
Oya187 22
Purpose 21
yabsab 20
zelot 17
Shine 17
Hm[arnc] 14
Icarus 7
ivOry 6
Terrorterran 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5229
Dendi777
qojqva652
XcaliburYe292
League of Legends
Reynor95
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1445
zeus1030
byalli259
edward32
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude17
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor226
Other Games
B2W.Neo1821
crisheroes374
oskar146
Fuzer 115
Trikslyr26
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream33930
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 996
Other Games
gamesdonequick556
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota235
League of Legends
• Stunt790
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 27m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
3h 27m
BSL 21
6h 27m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
17h 57m
Wardi Open
1d
IPSL
1d 6h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 6h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
1d 9h
OSC
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.