EPTIt was a wrong move of EG and its time to apologise in my eyes
My Thoughts on EG/Puma - Page 8
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
It was a wrong move of EG and its time to apologise in my eyes | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
You quote Dan for your defense. Are you serious? I already gave my retort to this claim by Dan. He's simply egging others on and FD along with Tester left oGs on their own accord. Not Lee's. They wanted out. You should know what Dan is capable of and how he works considering you've been apart of this community for a while. Mind boggling. You bring up journalist standards once again. Seriously? These standards you speak of are nothing but hyperbole especially in this industry. Shit like this happens all the time. Again, Milkes isn't a journalist. Stop treating him like such. Let's discuss Milkes Twitter comments. Last time I checked, you are allowed to post your thoughts via Twitter on your personal account. Twitter is one way of retrieving information and it's just that. It's a resource and nothing more. Yes, real reporters use Twitter to break developing stories. However, no one in their right mind would view it as the actual story. It's only used for leads. Once again, Milkes. Translator. He translated an article on another site and brought it here. Twitter and the article he translated are two separate things. | ||
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dlcofls21
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 . I agree with almost all of his sentiments. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:48 Zlasher wrote: If news about a trade happens in baseball for the SF Giants, and I see Bruce Bochy tweet something, do I feel entitled to an immediate statement from him? Do I feel entitled to an immediate statement from Brian Sabean (the General Manager), or do I wait until the public platform (the press conference) happens in order to hear it then. MLB has anti-tampering rules. "Oh, but you see... Puma was not under contract so that does not apply!" So what about Sen? Pretty sure he's under contract! | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
What EG did to pull Puma out of TSL didn't include anything illegal by law. Puma was not bound under any legal contracts and TSL decided to release him anyway (not that it would have mattered since there were no contracts). One could say it was disrespectful and "dirty" but EG did what they had to do to acquire a talented player. EG isn't a new team to the scene. They have been around for many years and they probably want to be around for many years more, as a better team. However, the point here, is that they should have known the consequences. It's not like EG never watched how things work in Korea. SC2 and its leagues have been out for long enough time for EG to know how things operate there. They should have expected disappointment from TSL's coach and staff, they should have anticipated that interviews and statements would be made available pretty quickly. Even if EG didn't have enough time to respond to TSL coach's interview, they should have already prepared several original statements regarding the acquisition of Puma and their stance on this issue. It's obvious there are time zone differences and teams should have already taken this into account. E-sports is global, and that implies while you're sleeping, articles and interviews can pop up halfway around the globe. You simply can't use it as an excuse for being unprepared. I'm glad the community is spewing out a ton of opinions and having an active discussion. It tells me, at the least, that the moral side of sports is alive and recognized in e-sports. If people didn't care about respect and care for teams and played only by legal contracts, there wouldn't be a discussion right now. The replies I saw on PlayXP and TIG were mostly constructive and well-mannered, so that tells me at least the SC2 audience on those particular websites aren't silly kids spamming random derogatory garbage like on Fomos. *edit: and thanks TLO <3 | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:04 StarStruck wrote: You quote Dan for your defense. Are you serious? I already gave my retort to this claim by Dan. He's simply egging others on and FD along with Tester left oGs on their own accord. Not Lee's. They wanted out. You should know what Dan is capable of and how he works considering you've been apart of this community for a while. Mind boggling. You bring up journalist standards once again. Seriously? These standards you speak of are nothing but hyperbole especially in this industry. Shit like this happens all the time. Again, Milkes isn't a journalist. Stop treating him like such. Let's discuss Milkes Twitter comments. Last time I checked, you are allowed to post your thoughts via Twitter on your personal account. Twitter is one way of retrieving information and it's just that. It's a resource and nothing more. Yes, real reporters use Twitter to break developing stories. However, no one in their right mind would view it as the actual story. It's only used for leads. Once again, Milkes. Translator. He translated an article on another site and brought it here. Twitter and the article he translated are two separate things. TL made it pretty clear that nobody "ignores the rules" now. If he is lying he deserves to be banned for saying that when the drama is happening. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:08 EnderCraft wrote: AG should be fired IMO. I don't want someone like him in our industry. The way he represented himself and EG towards the end of WoC should not reflect the image that EG wants to portray... ummm...errrr, i have to shower. Some one else cover this please. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote: What if you had read this statement first? My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. erm, you realise you just quoted someone regarding a subject you don't provide further information about? Something you seem to think is bad for someone like Milkis to do. Something even more inflammatory than a simple translation. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:06 jenzebubble wrote: MLB has anti-tampering rules. "Oh, but you see... Puma was not under contract so that does not apply!" So what about Sen? Pretty sure he's under contract! Sens contract is running out at the end of August or September so yes teams have been checking on his interest levels in moving or if he will be renewing with them. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:11 Kennigit wrote: ummm...errrr, i have to shower. Some one else cover this please. I'LL DO 500 SQUATS WHILE YOU TAKE THE SHOWER. WE'LL HAVE THIS WRAPPED UP IN NO TIME. and at the quoted comment, AG basically runs EG. It would be like firing the CEO out of his own company... I think you are overreacting a bit. He doesn't deserve to lose his job. | ||
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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noezke
England514 Posts
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:12 TheButtonmen wrote: Sens contract is running out at the end of August or September so yes teams have been checking on his interest levels in moving or if he will be renewing with them. Which would break the anti-tampering rules in every professional sports league that I can think of. What is your point? | ||
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Mairu
United States222 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:52 TBO wrote: and yes if EG wants to blame someone for lack of journalistic style then they should go after PlayXP instead of searching scapegoats. However you should be aware that what PlayXP did might be completely appropriate for a korean news site... so when Alex says that korean teams need to play the western game of contracts he should not chicken out to play the korean game of media. This is such a good point. I imagine if they made the effort to contact someone at PlayXP or thisisgame or even gomtv they could've got some coverage if they wanted to clear up any misunderstandings. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
TLO YEAH! | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:12 Aetherial wrote: Things like this make me think teams should have to sign up to some type of code of ethics if they want to take part, and get banned if they break it... hell I dunno, I just don't want to see this kind of thing happen again. i dont even think most people are mad about EG went about 'securing' puma. its the retarded PR machine they try to run afterwards which involves taking a bit of a dump on a guy who works hard for the community for no reward and using really badly thoughtout arguments to defend themselves. all they had to say was we talked to puma and we agreed that he would be the one to break the news to his coaches, that decision was of debatable merit but we ran with it. and then just stop talking, stop playing weird games with people. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On July 22 2011 22:11 Kennigit wrote: ummm...errrr, i have to shower. Some one else cover this please. OK The owner firing himself? Seems kind of hard.  | ||
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LegionUK
United Kingdom11 Posts
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