This is no white-knighting or trying to protect the poor girl.
Okay I didnt see all of her interviews, but I saw a lot of reactions, from making fun of her to reasonnable criticism to the usual disgusting sexism. Who is she? She's someone who obviously doesn't know a lot about Starcraft or "the community" ( hate that word), but she's enthusiastic about what she does and she tries her best. Here's a video, credit goes to AskJoshy:
You want Starcraft to go mainstream, you don't want Nerds to be laughed at, you want "the community" to grow? Be nice to people who are new. Respect that someone has no idea but tries. Help noobs instead of making fun of them.
Its okay to laugh about funny stuff she says and it's okay to say she needs to learn about the game ( as an interviewer of COURSE) , but learn to have some respect.
When you judge Lindsey or others, ignore their gender, seriously, just judge on what people say and do and ignore their race or gender. Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches. Compliments on the looks by a random stranger on the internet? Nah..
100 good posts may lead to not a single person reacting or giving a shit. 1 bad post gives you waves of attention. Analyzing that shit may raise some as well... let's see
Edit 1 :Many people responded to this line: Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.
Yes I know it's pushed a bit far, but I think it underlines what point I'm trying to make. Calling you'Re girlfriend hot or complimenting a good friend of yours is something completely different then reducing someone to his physical appearance on the internet.
reactions, from making fun of her to reasonnable criticism to the usual disgusting sexism.
People will be disgusting ban bait. Then they will magically go away. It sucks but that's the internet. I won't address whatever sexism was going on. But I will say there's a hell of a lot more reasonable criticism and/or mocking than straight up sexism.
She's someone who obviously doesn't know a lot about Starcraft or "the community" ( hate that word), but she's enthusiastic about what she does and she tries her best.
We kinda are a community but I hate the term econ cheese so to each their own. But I see no defense for someone that doesn't know "a lot" (A generous way of putting it) about what they're talking about representing an organization.
She did interviews that were only memorable because of how tragic they were. She didn't know wtf she was talking about. It wasn't very good content.
My thoughts are they prominently featured women for sex appeal, not intelligence or intriguing interviewer skills. So mocking them seems fair game to me. However I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to keep my fingers quiet as I don't think its pertinent to bash someone after stating my opinion.
I don't really care wether it get's mainstream or not however I thought the majority of people wants to. Of course women are featured for sex appeal, and that sucks, but thats the system and not the girls fault.
i dont agree "wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling girls ugly. in fact girls like to be called smoking hot. please keep that in mind when you have a girlfriend.
also i agree with the fact that the community can be acrid towards certain people. but maybe.. boys will be boys. i'd say many people who don't speak up totally appreciate the work certain people are trying to do.
'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
I'd rather Starcraft stays just how it is instead of becoming MNF.
reactions, from making fun of her to reasonnable criticism to the usual disgusting sexism.
People will be disgusting ban bait. Then they will magically go away. It sucks but that's the internet. I won't address whatever sexism was going on. But I will say there's a hell of a lot more reasonable criticism and/or mocking than straight up sexism.
She's someone who obviously doesn't know a lot about Starcraft or "the community" ( hate that word), but she's enthusiastic about what she does and she tries her best.
We kinda are a community but I hate the term econ cheese so to each their own. But I see no defense for someone that doesn't know "a lot" (A generous way of putting it) about what they're talking about representing an organization.
She did interviews that were only memorable because of how tragic they were. She didn't know wtf she was talking about. It wasn't very good content.
My thoughts are they prominently featured women for sex appeal, not intelligence or intriguing interviewer skills. So mocking them seems fair game to me. However I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to keep my fingers quiet as I don't think its pertinent to bash someone after stating my opinion.
I kinda think it was on NASL hiring someone who had no idea what they were talking about, and purely based on looks. Another mistake to put into their growing list of failures, but again the blame should be placed on NASL not Lindsey.
If you're a model and you get offered a chance to be on stream in front of tens of thousands of viewers, you take it for the publicity it might generate for you. She was hired, and NASL knew she had no previous experience with the game or the gaming scene. She at least tried her best.
Her interviews may have been terrible, but really you should be pinning the blame on the right people.
While i agree that sexist remarks aren't good, if she's getting a lot of hate for her work then she is doing a terrible job. If we want the community to grow then why should we put up with sub par standards just because somebody is trying something new?
But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Are you one of those people who think holding a door open for a girl is sexist because she can get the door herself? lol I agree with every other point you made though. The interviews are quite awkward at times but its NASL's fault for that.
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
On July 10 2011 10:48 Scaramanga wrote: While i agree that sexist remarks aren't good, if she's getting a lot of hate for her work then she is doing a terrible job. If we want the community to grow then why should we put up with sub par standards just because somebody is trying something new?
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
Who would want a 'smoking hot' girl as a friend? That would be awful, just awful.
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
On July 10 2011 10:55 OmniEulogy wrote: Are you one of those people who think holding a door open for a girl is sexist because she can get the door herself? lol I agree with every other point you made though. The interviews are quite awkward at times but its NASL's fault for that.
Of course the girls can open the doors themselves, but who am I to change the rules of THAT game
generally this has been a very wonderful welcoming community but lately its been getting a lot of bad eggs just running around hating on everyone for no reason. i really wish those people would just go back to WoW :/
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
Well what are you gonna do about it? Not watch the NASL? LOL
There are a bunch of nerds just raging because of Lindsey for her incompetence. What is her punishment? She gets paid and she gets a shit-ton of publicity. If anything, she is probably laughing her ass off at you guys.
This is no white-knighting , trying to protect the poor girl.
... What the hell is the difference? Suddenly, everyone else is sexist because they are complaining that the NASL hired someone clearly incompetent.
First of all, she doesn't need your protection. Just because she is a girl doesn't mean that she needs your protection. You are the one being sexist here, protecting here just because she is a girl in e-sports.
Second of all, no you won't get to meet her and she won't give you a kiss just because you protected her on the forums. She honestly probably doesn't give a hoot what a bunch of internet dwellers think of her, so whatever actions you and others take are meaningless.
Third of all, if it was a fat guy who sucked at interviewing, you probably would be in the crowd of people raging their asses off. In this case, you just saw a girl and donned your virtual white knight armor. You also probably wouldn't write a blog post protecting a fat guy interviewer who didn't know anything about StarCraft.
This Lindsey situation is really funny. Both the haters and the lovers produce absolutely hilarious results.
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
Who would want a 'smoking hot' girl as a friend? That would be awful, just awful.
Well possibly friend leading to more in that case I guess. I'm refering mainly to the type of person who'd dismiss a girl off hand/treat her rudely purely based upon what she looks like.
If you're ragging on this girl, then you probably have never done anything important in your life.
This is what you might call an 'opportunity' for her. She was given the chance and she goes in and gives it a shot. You don't say 'oh noes, I can't represent the community' or 'waah, this is hard, I quit'. You keep plugging away until you die or get fired.
Its pretty sad how mean people are being to her about this. They are even putting their hate on her facebook profile. Its just showing why SC2 will never be mainstream. People are just too immature IMO.
If people don't extend their standards for what they allow in what they watch, like having a model be an interviewer and try to do her best, then its just showing what I said above ( SC2 won't be mainstream ).
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
Who would want a 'smoking hot' girl as a friend? That would be awful, just awful.
Well possibly friend leading to more in that case I guess. I'm refering mainly to the type of person who'd dismiss a girl off hand/treat her rudely purely based upon what she looks like.
Yes, that would be very dickish. Though I do think it's completely OK to dismiss a girl based on her milkshake flavor preference.
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
Well what are you gonna do about it? Not watch the NASL? LOL
There are a bunch of nerds just raging because of Lindsey for her incompetence. What is her punishment? She gets paid and she gets a shit-ton of publicity. If anything, she is probably laughing her ass off at you guys.
This is no white-knighting , trying to protect the poor girl.
... What the hell is the difference? Suddenly, everyone else is sexist because they are complaining that the NASL hired someone clearly incompetent.
First of all, she doesn't need your protection. Just because she is a girl doesn't mean that she needs your protection. You are the one being sexist here, protecting here just because she is a girl in e-sports.
Second of all, no you won't get to meet her and she won't give you a kiss just because you protected her on the forums. She honestly probably doesn't give a hoot what a bunch of internet dwellers think of her, so whatever actions you and others take are meaningless.
Third of all, if it was a fat guy who sucked at interviewing, you probably would be in the crowd of people raging their asses off. In this case, you just saw a girl and donned your virtual white knight armor. You also probably wouldn't write a blog post protecting a fat guy interviewer who didn't know anything about StarCraft.
This Lindsey situation is really funny. Both the haters and the lovers produce absolutely hilarious results.
I said that critizising is okay dude, of course you may complain, the point is HOW you do it. See I wrote that second sentence because I didnt want to be misunderstood. I'm not sure wether you didn't read correctly or you misunderstand on purpose so you have a reason to rage. I dislike all the personal attacking, I argued against that when people where flaming other casters, yes even male OMG. Only thing different now is me writing a blog, which has nothing to do with Lindsey but rather with me searching for something to keep me awake. I'm not interested in impressing Lindsey whatsoever, you're wrong again.
1) Other than the fact that she obviously got the job because she is good looking (what else does she have?) I don't care what she looks like. I mean, it would have been nice if they had given someone a shot who is interesting or funny or is interested in Starcraft, but whatever.
2) The interviews were funny. No, they were hilarious. They had me crying with laughter sitting in front of my computer. Responding to every answer with "excellent!", randomly asking "do you play chess?, i play chess...", "how long having you been doing starcraft?"....and many many more.
3) I agree with the above post. Women don't need protecting. The fact that a pretty face brings out the caveman instinct is genetically ingrained in every man, but that doesn't mean that you should respond to it.
4) She is a model. Do you think that she looks that good by accident? No, you have to work at it to look that good. Recognising that we are sexual beings, but still treating women with respect is part of being a well rounded person. The fact that her looks seems to be her main defining asset isn't our fault.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill. She doesn't give a f*ck about Starcraft and we won't see her at any more events in the future, so get over it.
On July 10 2011 11:35 deathly rat wrote: 1) Other than the fact that she obviously got the job because she is good looking (what else does she have?) I don't care what she looks like. I mean, it would have been nice if they had given someone a shot who is interesting or funny or is interested in Starcraft, but whatever.
2) The interviews were funny. No, they were hilarious. They had me crying with laughter sitting in front of my computer. Respinding to every answer with "excellent!", randomly asking "do you play chess?, i play chess...", "how long having you been doing starcraft?"....and many many more.
3) I agree with the above post. Women don't need protecting. The fact that a pretty face brings out the caveman instinct is genetically ingrained in every man, but that doesn't mean that you should respond to it.
4) She is a model. Do you think that she looks that good by accident? No, you have to work at it to look that good. Recognising that we are sexual beings, but still treating women with respect is part of being a well rounded person. The fact that her looks seems to be her main defining asset isn't our fault.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill. She doesn't give a f*ck about Starcraft and we won't see her at any more events in the future, so get over it.
you dont know her so i dont think its fair to be making those prejudgements
Usually agree, when people say "girl X is so hot" then add like 10 seconds like "and i guess she's good at this", it kind of undermines whatever they put effort into, assuming they put effort into anything.
In this case, I haven't seen the negative comments or the other interviews, but pretty much the only thing she talks about is her modeling career and where to check it out, and she doesn't mention starcraft at all. So I think she'd be ok with random people calling her hot.
Edit: so it's a sideline reporter issue? Well, it's fair to criticize NASL unless it works, and any such criticisms shouldn't be dealt or taken personally.
My point was how criticism should work, what is okay and what not.. but I guess very few people read the thing as a whole but rather small amounts. I wont be arguing anymore tonight as I'm too tired for that atm.
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
Who would want a 'smoking hot' girl as a friend? That would be awful, just awful.
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
I think the pure fact that any criticisms or compliments is drawn on your looks more than anything else is equally bothersome.
If I called you ugly or if I called you gorgeous, it's both aspects of yourself that you aren't trying to show, prove or improve.
While I'm sure women enjoy being called gorgeous much like men like being called handsome, the circumstances are what truly matter. One's complimentary and the other is insulting, but they both say: "you have nothing worthwhile about your actions or service, but you're so (un)attractive that I felt compelled to say something".
I think trying to dissect the two is just petty and trivial when it boils down to the fact that the person really has nothing to say about what you are doing (and what matters for you).
On July 10 2011 11:55 igotmyown wrote: Usually agree, when people say "girl X is so hot" then add like 10 seconds like "and i guess she's good at this", it kind of undermines whatever they put effort into, assuming they put effort into anything.
In this case, I haven't seen the negative comments or the other interviews, but pretty much the only thing she talks about is her modeling career and where to check it out, and she doesn't mention starcraft at all. So I think she'd be ok with random people calling her hot.
Edit: so it's a sideline reporter issue? Well, it's fair to criticize NASL unless it works, and any such criticisms shouldn't be dealt or taken personally.
she only mentioned it when asked about it. she was just interviewing random people in the crowd between games earlier and i think she did a rather good job of it. asked them questions like how long theyve been playing and asking them about their experience with the game like what they play and stuff. it was perfectly fine.
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
Second post, but he makes a strong point. If the story is true and NASL hired her knowing she had no experience in StarCraft, but did in interviewing and presentation, then that's their mishap and undermining the idea of StarCraft (thinking that anyone can do this).
However, if she's only prepping random spectators and just asking basic questions while maintaining a basic form of interest, I don't see any harm or problems.
It's not her fault. But I think NASL made a terrible decision hiring her. I mean seriously, maybe they are secretly geniuses and expected this huge reaction, but people should really fault NASL on this. The interviews she did were just really bad. It's like some terrible exploitation movie from the 70s. Just cheap crap with no actual content.
Yea it was kinda funny, but I don't really like laughing at other people at their expense, and that was all it was.
Why does Miss California want to do starcraft interviews? I'm sorry I haven't watched NASL and I don't know her story. Is she trying to get votes from us?
On July 10 2011 12:23 Starparty wrote: Im slightly intoxinated and tired but i honestly thought this thread was about lindsay lohan.
On July 10 2011 12:37 obesechicken13 wrote: Why does Miss California want to do starcraft interviews? I'm sorry I haven't watched NASL and I don't know her story. Is she trying to get votes from us?
On July 10 2011 12:37 obesechicken13 wrote: Why does Miss California want to do starcraft interviews? I'm sorry I haven't watched NASL and I don't know her story. Is she trying to get votes from us?
On July 10 2011 12:23 Starparty wrote: Im slightly intoxinated and tired but i honestly thought this thread was about lindsay lohan.
I'm neither but +1.
probably not as miss usa just finished a month ago?
I think it's just a gig for money that her agent prob set up.
She's just an example for the point I was trying to make. I honestly have no idea wether she is serious or just does because of her agent.
On July 10 2011 12:23 Starparty wrote: Im slightly intoxinated and tired but i honestly thought this thread was about lindsay lohan.
holy shit me too man!
Howevers the entire thread did turn into an interesting read. I think giving the NASL feedback that you would like a more informed hot smoking chick explaining and asking about SC2 is a reasonable request. Other than that, she just took a job, I mean, sure you can bitch about her, but really, blame NASL for their choice rather than her for her lack of knowledge. Otherwise, everything is good, oh and NeverGG you're smokin ^_<
On July 10 2011 10:37 NeverGG wrote: 'Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.'
Being judged purely upon your physical appearance as a girl isn't exactly fun. However, (speaking from an experience here on TL and irl) getting told you're part of the ugly bitch squad is definitely worse than being told you're smoking hot. Guys who'd dismiss a girl (as a friend) purely because she isn't 'smoking hot' aren't worth knowing anyway ^_^.
This is the third(?) time I've seen you complain about how people see you never.
Based on some far away glimpses of memories in a birthday and kitten blog, I didn't think you were that bad looking.
I should say "I didn't think you were bad looking" and remove the that... but it's just the way I talk. +1 to the never looks good.
isnt it obvious... nasl just hired a hot girl to do random interviews to jus have some eyecandy that dont know much or anything at all about where they work check out all the other sports they do it too just means epsorts is comin up
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
Well what are you gonna do about it? Not watch the NASL? LOL
There are a bunch of nerds just raging because of Lindsey for her incompetence. What is her punishment? She gets paid and she gets a shit-ton of publicity. If anything, she is probably laughing her ass off at you guys.
This is no white-knighting , trying to protect the poor girl.
... What the hell is the difference? Suddenly, everyone else is sexist because they are complaining that the NASL hired someone clearly incompetent.
First of all, she doesn't need your protection. Just because she is a girl doesn't mean that she needs your protection. You are the one being sexist here, protecting here just because she is a girl in e-sports.
Second of all, no you won't get to meet her and she won't give you a kiss just because you protected her on the forums. She honestly probably doesn't give a hoot what a bunch of internet dwellers think of her, so whatever actions you and others take are meaningless.
Third of all, if it was a fat guy who sucked at interviewing, you probably would be in the crowd of people raging their asses off. In this case, you just saw a girl and donned your virtual white knight armor. You also probably wouldn't write a blog post protecting a fat guy interviewer who didn't know anything about StarCraft.
This Lindsey situation is really funny. Both the haters and the lovers produce absolutely hilarious results.
I said that critizising is okay dude, of course you may complain, the point is HOW you do it. See I wrote that second sentence because I didnt want to be misunderstood. I'm not sure wether you didn't read correctly or you misunderstand on purpose so you have a reason to rage. I dislike all the personal attacking, I argued against that when people where flaming other casters, yes even male OMG. Only thing different now is me writing a blog, which has nothing to do with Lindsey but rather with me searching for something to keep me awake. I'm not interested in impressing Lindsey whatsoever, you're wrong again.
Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, you did write a blog defending Gretorp when everybody was losing their shit over him right during the NASL right? Oh wait, you didn't. At least you wrote a blog defending DOA and Moletrap when everybody was illogically taking a shit over him right? Oh wait, you didn't either. The hate that Gretorp, DOA, and Moletrap got were pretty goddamn bad. Lindsey got some "it's so bad it's good" and some "at least she is hot" (which is actually bad, but probably better than outright hate), where were your blog posts?
You dedicated a WHOLE blog post to defending Lindsey, when you self admittedly DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE INTERVIEWS. I'm not arguing whether or not Lindsey is good or bad, or whether or not illogically bashing someone is good or bad. For the record, I think Lindsey didn't do too great of a job, but she can honestly improve and I'm totally down with that. I really hope she stays on for NASL and beyond, because honestly when we start getting people like Lindsey, you know e-sports is going far.
What I am here for, is to call you out at your pitiful attempt to white knight. Seriously? Just because you say you aren't white knighting doesn't mean you aren't. You dedicate a WHOLE blog post, a WHOLE blog post with thought out responses defending Lindsey when the only thing you know about her is that she is female and attractive. And not only that, you pitifully paint it as an attempt to speak out against negativity against everyone when clearly your only objective is to defend Lindsey. You are white knighting to a T and the fact that you can't admit that makes this whole thing even funnier.
What the hell did you expect? You do something so pitiful and people aren't gonna laugh? I'll admit, the internet is pretty wacky with all this anonymity and stuff, but come on man. Did you honestly think you would white knight so blatantly and pitifully and get away with it without multiple people busting you out? Either stop white knighting or stop complaining about everybody calling you out for white knighting.
And don't go into the "you didn't read my post" argument just because some of the things I said hit too close to home. I read your post. You are white knighting.
On July 10 2011 11:35 deathly rat wrote: 1) Other than the fact that she obviously got the job because she is good looking (what else does she have?) I don't care what she looks like. I mean, it would have been nice if they had given someone a shot who is interesting or funny or is interested in Starcraft, but whatever.
2) The interviews were funny. No, they were hilarious. They had me crying with laughter sitting in front of my computer. Responding to every answer with "excellent!", randomly asking "do you play chess?, i play chess...", "how long having you been doing starcraft?"....and many many more.
3) I agree with the above post. Women don't need protecting. The fact that a pretty face brings out the caveman instinct is genetically ingrained in every man, but that doesn't mean that you should respond to it.
4) She is a model. Do you think that she looks that good by accident? No, you have to work at it to look that good. Recognising that we are sexual beings, but still treating women with respect is part of being a well rounded person. The fact that her looks seems to be her main defining asset isn't our fault.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill. She doesn't give a f*ck about Starcraft and we won't see her at any more events in the future, so get over it.
NASL hired her for her looks and she's a beauty pageant contestant. Of course people are going to comment on her looks because she provides no other content to comment on. Obviously NASL is at fault for picking her, but to expect people to ignore her glaring weaknesses is silly.
You want Starcraft to go mainstream, you don't want Nerds to be laughed at, you want "the community" to grow?
This line of argument is so blindingly stupid and I'm sick of people using it every chance they get. It's consquentialist crap. You have no idea if SC2 is going mainstream nor do you have any idea if the behavior in question is preventing it from going mainstream, so stop acting like it does.
You know what would happen if she showed up at a Philadelphia Eagles game with the same zero-knowledge of football? And then asked if anyone of them played soccer, because they're both sports! The exact same thing.
I think the complaints are because people assume that she's just faking her enthusiasm because she was hired to do this, and isn't actually interested in getting better at SC or learning more about it and the community. It has nothing to do with sex, people are raging because there is or appears to be a lack of authenticity.
Just got home from my first ever StarCraft experience. I know nothing about the game yet (obviously), but I'm having fun learning. My agent told me they'd train me before I started interviewing, but ...well, I suppose jumping right into on-camera interviewing is one way to learn Sorry for all the mistakes, but thanks for watching..
When you judge Lindsey or others, ignore their gender, seriously, just judge on what people say and do and ignore their race or gender. Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches. Compliments on the looks by a random stranger on the internet? Nah..
I do judge her based on what she said and not her gender. I'm pretty sure most everybody else did as well. If you read the LR, people made fun of overusing the word "excellent," thinking that "g" is a starcraft race, randomly asking "do you play chess?" and so on.
Also, I don't blame her. It's the fault of the organizers for not hiring somebody qualified.
On July 10 2011 15:21 Jibba wrote: NASL hired her for her looks and she's a beauty pageant contestant. Of course people are going to comment on her looks because she provides no other content to comment on. Obviously NASL is at fault for picking her, but to expect people to ignore her glaring weaknesses is silly.
You want Starcraft to go mainstream, you don't want Nerds to be laughed at, you want "the community" to grow?
This line of argument is so blindingly stupid and I'm sick of people using it every chance they get. It's consquentialist crap. You have no idea if SC2 is going mainstream nor do you have any idea if the behavior in question is preventing it from going mainstream, so stop acting like it does.
You know what would happen if she showed up at a Philadelphia Eagles game with the same zero-knowledge of football? And then asked if anyone of them played soccer, because they're both sports! The exact same thing.
Pretty much my thoughts. She was obviously coached as she was repeating the same drivel time and time again, meh. Whatever.
I'm surprised that she's getting quite so much flak for this as she has been. To be honest, the way jobs are at the moment I can't imagine someone offering me a bag of money and saying, "Don't worry about the fact that you have absolutely no idea what we're doing here, we'll train you." I also can't imagine myself turning that job down.
To be honest, this speaks volumes about the way NASL thinks of its audience. I can't imagine they saved money hiring Sporrer over any respected community member with interview experience, but we've all seen what they got.
On July 10 2011 11:09 vindKtiv wrote: Well what are you gonna do about it? Not watch the NASL? LOL
Yes, vindKtiv, that's exactly what some of us are doing. Every time I've tried to watch NASL, I've been burned by either poor production or dubious commentary. My free time is scant enough that I don't want to sit down and watch something with the hope that it will improve. Instead, I'll wait until the general word is, like the GSL/Dreamhack/MLG, quite positive and then I'll park myself in my chair and watch some games.
On July 10 2011 21:46 floor exercise wrote: For better or worse she is now a part of esports. Attack her at your own peril, for I will defend esports until my dying breath
hey bey, you know i heart you, but why didn't you look at wikipedia first? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_South_Carolina_Teen_USA If the numbers and the table is correct, the video shows Caitlin Upton and not Lindsey Sporrer who apparently won in 2004.
I am STILL surprised nasl thought it was a good idea to hire lindsay. It makes nasl look like they have no intrinsic value and must buy it with her looks/fame.
Haven't watched nasl as of yet, but i will stay the hell away from it until i am sure by peer recommendation that it is a good deal. Well done nasl.
On July 10 2011 21:46 floor exercise wrote: For better or worse she is now a part of esports. Attack her at your own peril, for I will defend esports until my dying breath
She is no more a part of esports than cheerleaders are part of a football game.
On July 10 2011 21:18 peeeky wrote: I can't believe people are complaining about a beautiful woman during the frequent 1 hr down times. I've seen worse interviews.
the blame should be put on NASL for the hiring decision and/or lack of training
unfortunately she is taking the brunt of it because of her exposure on stream
I enjoyed her interviews. Sure she has some stuff to work on, but I think that anyone can separate themselves from their work enough and sift through the troll comments well enough to better themselves from the feedback on TL.
And please don't be offended OP, but I read this all picturing that "Leave Brittany Alone" youtube video. Ahh, so funny.
If the NASL told her agent that they were gonna give her training that's their fault.... although as an interviewer I would HOPE you take the initiative to learn about the thing(s) you are interviewing people on.
I honestly enjoyed the interviews for the laughs. Good times. Made the second day MUCH more enjoyable than the first.
If she likes SC2 and honestly wants to stick around and learn more from her comments on facebook then more power to her. She adapted fairly well for the second interview session. The more SC2 fans and people participating in the community in the positive manner the better really.
I agree with the op. She was entertaining to watch partly because of how awkward the interviews were but I appreciated her honesty and directness in the interviews and you can't blame her for not being familiar with the game. She showed willingness to learn which is great and I hope she will get into the game and enjoy it like we do.
Being harsh to this girl who is only trying to do her job and approaches us as a community in a very friendly way is rude in my opinion. We should welcome her and give her advice on how to improve. Right now we just look like a bunch of immature angry nerds.
On July 11 2011 00:56 Calm wrote: Haha And please don't be offended OP, but I read this all picturing that "Leave Brittany Alone" youtube video. Ahh, so funny.
That was the self-ironic joke I was aiming at with the name.
Main thing I got pissed about was people on the justin.tv/nasl stream calling her stupid.
If she indeed has a 4.0 GPA Bachelor of science (like it says on her CV), then she is not stupid. She might be a newbie at starcraft, but haven't we all been.
She is already doing better on day 2.
NASL is doing this finals lan for the first time, so they might have hired her late in the process to make some extra content in the downtime. At least it seems like she want to learn more about the game, and more women into starcraft that are open about it is a good thing if you ask me.
Lol. You guys read way too much into things like GPA and what people say about themselves. At this point she's as much a part of the SC community as Adam Sessler is of the fighting game community.
Well she seems eager to learn the game and start playing the game. I chose to believe she'S not lying when she says all these things, that doesn't mean I can be sure. She has no TL account so maybe she'S not part of THIS community, but a person attending SC events, watching Day9 Dailies and playing the game pretty much makes her part of the STarcraft community.
I refuse to see any connection between her GPA and anything else.
Honestly, I read only the first few lines of your post, but I can assume you're just ranting about protecting this girl from the community. Here is all I have to say about her.
Unless she is naked, I don't care how hot she is because I'm on my computer and porn is only a url bar away. So pretty much she better know wtf she is talking about and have good questions about the game and such. This isn't some small LAN she is asking questions for, it's the fricken NASL, one of the (if not THE) biggest tournaments in NA so far.
Nerds really want to have sc2 go mainstream... - Random people of all sorts come and try to play sc2 in the publics eye. - A lot have been shut down from comments
In the end they just turn on what they essentially wanted.
NASL dropped the ball on this one I really dont blame her at all i do give her two thumbs up and much love for going out there when she was in well over her head and trying her hardest. Id like to see more of her if she actually took the time to learn the game which is what i believe to have insulted everyone the most.
a) nerds want SC2 to be more mainstream-> b) upcoming hot actress that can add to SC2 being more mainstream comes along-> c) nerds QQ claiming said person is hurting e-sports
lulz
someone should dig up a post nony made...it's good that such people enter e-sports because it can widen the appeal...
On July 10 2011 10:53 AlissyXOXO wrote: But again, how on earth is that Lindsey's fault? Someone offers you a decent amount of money to do interviews at some event, would you turn it down just because you don't know much about it?
Yes.
If you take a job you aren't qualified for than you better prepare to be yelled at.
Not if the people hiring you know you know nothing about the subject. If she lied and said "O ya I know a lot about starcraft" then sure, yell at her.
On July 12 2011 05:33 avilo wrote: lol i don't really get internet sc2 kids...
a) nerds want SC2 to be more mainstream-> b) upcoming hot actress that can add to SC2 being more mainstream comes along-> c) nerds QQ claiming said person is hurting e-sports
lulz
someone should dig up a post nony made...it's good that such people enter e-sports because it can widen the appeal...
Yeah, I don't really get it either. I only caught her on the last day, and I actually thought it was pretty awesome to a) get to watch a gorgeous girl talk to awkward nerds, and b) see her excitement as a non-SC2 type coming in and witnessing such a cool event.
On the last day her interviews were all really good, so I guess I missed something the first couple days? I was actually surprised to find any criticism at all given what I saw. You don't need a huge amount of SC knowledge to interview people about how they are enjoying an event...its not like she was offering suggestions for MC to micro better or something. And I somehow doubt that they were paying enough money to justify her doing some serious preparation for like, an hour total of interviews.
All the people hating just need to relax and think about how awesome she will be once she learns her stuff. She is a natural in front of the camera.
anyways it's not a big deal imo. you're really blowing things out of proportions. every thing everywhere where men is a majority you'll hear derogatory comments towards women.
hell any professional sport is almost women free and they're fine. if you had a hot basketball reporter you'd have 50% of the male population making a snide remark. you don't break into the mainstream by being hella professional or w/e, lots of sports to that because of how the players are seen as ghetto. they're professionalising those people. we just need to worry about getting changing the way people look at video games. we need women/good looking guys, i'll def agree with you on that.
sc2 won't break into the mainstream until you change the perception of gamers and video gamers. being professional isn't that big of a deal imo. you gotta get good looking guys saying "i'm gamers" you gotta get celebrities vouching for us and you gotta make it real. hell if you got a hot reporter for the NBA people will make the same remarks as they do here.
anyways i guess i'm defending the community but i reallly do like having her doing interviews and stuff. i want sc2 to become mainstream and she def helps
XXXX is hurting esports.. I don't like this argument yeah. It's just that often you hear people who want gaming to be respected amongst our society and don't want nerds to be imagined as weirdos or losers. So if you want to achieve these things you have to show some respect and be nice to people. That means you can critizise them, but in a mature way. Im not saying everything Lindsey's doing is great and I don't think she deserves a fanclub here on TL. Men will always make snide remarks: That might be true, but I think it's a different wether you make a short joke on the couch sitting besides your friends or write it on a public forum, where the person in question may even be able to read it. And I personally dislike most of these remarks anyway, but I understand that I am the minority in that perspective.
On July 12 2011 05:33 avilo wrote: b) upcoming hot actress that can add to SC2 being more mainstream comes along
Can anyone explain me how this works? As i stated earlier, hiring her, makes the NASL less credible for me because they seem to need to rely on hiring models to get attention rather than developing actual production value. It's actually the same thing with the GSl, but there the model girls are just used for player intros, not to transport any actual content.
How exactly does hiring a model for conducting interviews help the event going mainstream? Do you think that people knowing little or nothing about sc2 will watch the event because a model does the interviews? I know i wouldn't ...
On July 12 2011 05:33 avilo wrote: b) upcoming hot actress that can add to SC2 being more mainstream comes along
Can anyone explain me how this works? As i stated earlier, hiring her, makes the NASL less credible for me because they seem to need to rely on hiring models to get attention rather than developing actual production value. It's actually the same thing with the GSl, but there the model girls are just used for player intros, not to transport any actual content.
How exactly does hiring a model for conducting interviews help the event going mainstream? Do you think that people knowing little or nothing about sc2 will watch the event because a model does the interviews? I know i wouldn't ...
It's really not hard to understand.
People that don't watch SC2 see that it's not all just stereotypical nerds..."hey, hot girls play this game holy shit let's check this out."
She's enthusiastic, nice, and not bad to look at. If she wants to continue working in sc events in the future I'd expert her knowledge of the game to go up.
Reducing girls to "Wow she is smoking hot" is as bad as calling them ugly bitches.
Why do you think she was hired? Whether you like it or not, sex sells. There's a reason it wasn't a fat guy who knows everything about sc2 doing the interviews. It's the same reason why utterly clueless but hot women are used in similar roles in many other sports as well. She is hot, and that is literally all there is to her in her role as a interviewer at NASL.
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